Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems
On 3 Nov 2013 13:01:35 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: In 833950007-1383144348-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2146530692-@b25.c4.bise6.blackberry, on 10/30/2013 at 02:45 PM, Mike Liberatore vze2q...@verizon.net said: The thing find interesting is if the Affordable Care Act is so good then why was congress who passed the law were exempted ? Before asking why ask whether. As I understand the discussion in the Wall Street Journal, Congress and its staff were supposed to be moved to the exchanges but the Obama Administration has come up with a waiver. This whole thing is a moving target with plenty of room for people of all political stripes to cast rocks at opposition and keep everybody thoroughly confused. Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:04:09 +0800, David Crayford wrote: ... And then compare it to www.ibm.com Now that's just cruel - IBM continually demonstrate their inability to maintain websites. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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AGREED! (in spades) snip From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:04:09 +0800, David Crayford wrote: ... And then compare it to www.ibm.com Now that's just cruel - IBM continually demonstrate their inability to maintain websites. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Doug, I don't how much your insurance is but I can tell you in NJ, it ain't cheap over $1000 a mth for 3 ppl Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Doug Fuerst d...@bkassociates.net wrote: How is that? That: Certainly no one that has a job relevant to IBM-MAIN needs to use it. Many of us are independent contractors, or have our own companies, and our plans are being cancelled by the insurance companies or are significantly increasing in price. I have nightmares over this, and now instead of being able to move and get my own plan, my wife is going to have to keep working for insurance, and I am stuck in the geographical location I am in. That's pretty relevant to me. Doug On 10/30/2013 1:00 PM, Roberts, John J wrote: Many of you may be unaware that you don't necessarily need to use this site in order to apply for individual health insurance. Certainly no one that has a job relevant to IBM-MAIN needs to use it. You only need to use HealthCare.gov if: A) You think you qualify for a subsidy (income less than 400% of FPL) and your state does not have its own exchange, or B) Your income is so low that you qualify for free Medicaid and your state does not have its own exchange. If you are like me and don't qualify for Medicaid or a Subsidy, you have these options: C) Use your state's own exchange to apply, if your state has one (most Blue States have done this), or D) Go to your state's Insurance Commissioner Web Site and research what plans are offered and what prices apply to your age, location, gender, and tobacco status. Then contact the Insurance Company of your choice directly to apply. Note that many insurance companies offer both exchange and non-exchange plans. A non-exchange plan still needs to meet all the requirements of the ACA Metal plans: Bronze-Silver-Gold. But a non-exchange plan is not eligible for a subsidy. Since the Insurance Company does not need to bother with all the red-tape for the government subsidy, non-exchange plans are often cheaper than exchange plans. If you purchase a non-exchange Metal plan, you meet the requirements of ACA and are not subject to the Individual Mandate Penalty. Also, if you are on Medicare you are already covered and can ignore HealthCare.gov and its issues. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Doug Fuerst Principal Consultant BK Associates 718.921.2620 917.572.7364 d...@bkassociates.net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems
The thing find interesting is if the Affordable Care Act is so good then why was congress who passed the law were exempted ? --Original Message-- From: Jim Marshall Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU ReplyTo: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: ObamaCare Web Site Problems Sent: Oct 30, 2013 10:11 AM There is a NetworkWorld story which is worth a read revealing some of the problems. Much thanks to Compuware using some of its Application Performance Monitoring tools to uncover certain things. It is worth it to click on the gentleman's Blog for more detail. Of course this is only the Internet facing portion and even if fixed for added speed, never know if the back-end processing will do as advertised. NETWORKWORLD ARTICLE: “Why is the Obamacare Healthcare.gov website so sick?” http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/102313-healthcare-gov-275167.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thanks for the link, Jim. I am reading through the article now. The first seriously GLARING problem I see is that It seems they forgot to merge CSS and JS files together as they are currently loading about 55! Individual JavaScripts files and 11! Individual CSS files! I don't know the exact value of 55! (55 factorial), but I bet it is larger than the entire universe. And 11! is bad enough. That's a seriously large number of files to load for every transaction of the registration page. This one quote from Compuware's expert, or perhaps from Networkworld's editors and/or proofreaders, is a good reason to suspect that no one, and not just the government, knows what he is doing or talking about regarding this website. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: Jim Marshall marshall-ja...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:11:36 AM Subject: ObamaCare Web Site Problems There is a NetworkWorld story which is worth a read revealing some of the problems. Much thanks to Compuware using some of its Application Performance Monitoring tools to uncover certain things. It is worth it to click on the gentleman's Blog for more detail. Of course this is only the Internet facing portion and even if fixed for added speed, never know if the back-end processing will do as advertised. NETWORKWORLD ARTICLE: “Why is the Obamacare Healthcare.gov website so sick?” http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/102313-healthcare-gov-275167.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Possible answers: 1. The contractors decided that one and two-thirds lines of code were necessary for each person in the USA. 2. When it is finally working, we can read it and then know what it says. [paraphrasing Nancy Pelosi's comment that we should first pass the legislation and then we would know what was in it] 3. The contractors were paid by the line of code they produced rather than the length of time it took to write the code, and most of the lines of code that were counted are comments. 4. They had to redo the first 250 million lines of code because the dog ate it. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: Anthony Sambataro (NIH/NBS) [E] anthony.sambat...@nih.gov To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:57:39 AM Subject: Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems I've read that the Obamacare software contains 500 million lines of code, how can that be? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Since some of the load times quoted are not also astronomical, it would appear this is merely ignorant punctuation excess on the part of the writer intended to convey OMG!, and which should have been eliminated by a competent editor with an ounce of understanding of mathematical notation. Using 55+11 downloads when 2 might suffice seems quite bad enough for a site that should reasonably have been expected to have an an extremely high volume of traffic; but then, there are a plethora of over-designed web sites on the Internet these days that require entirely too many interactions and too much data to display a typical page. Others manage to get away with inefficiency only because their site usage is much lower. Makes me think folks tasked with designing a high-volume web site should be required to test using a 56 Kbs network interface so they would be forced to give greater consideration to web-page display efficiency early in the game! Joel C. Ewing On 10/30/2013 10:23 AM, DASDBILL2 wrote: Thanks for the link, Jim. I am reading through the article now. The first seriously GLARING problem I see is that It seems they forgot to merge CSS and JS files together as they are currently loading about 55! Individual JavaScripts files and 11! Individual CSS files! I don't know the exact value of 55! (55 factorial), but I bet it is larger than the entire universe. And 11! is bad enough. That's a seriously large number of files to load for every transaction of the registration page. This one quote from Compuware's expert, or perhaps from Networkworld's editors and/or proofreaders, is a good reason to suspect that no one, and not just the government, knows what he is doing or talking about regarding this website. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: Jim Marshall marshall-ja...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:11:36 AM Subject: ObamaCare Web Site Problems There is a NetworkWorld story which is worth a read revealing some of the problems. Much thanks to Compuware using some of its Application Performance Monitoring tools to uncover certain things. It is worth it to click on the gentleman's Blog for more detail. Of course this is only the Internet facing portion and even if fixed for added speed, never know if the back-end processing will do as advertised. NETWORKWORLD ARTICLE: “Why is the Obamacare Healthcare.gov website so sick?” http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/102313-healthcare-gov-275167.html -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems
Many of you may be unaware that you don't necessarily need to use this site in order to apply for individual health insurance. Certainly no one that has a job relevant to IBM-MAIN needs to use it. You only need to use HealthCare.gov if: A) You think you qualify for a subsidy (income less than 400% of FPL) and your state does not have its own exchange, or B) Your income is so low that you qualify for free Medicaid and your state does not have its own exchange. If you are like me and don't qualify for Medicaid or a Subsidy, you have these options: C) Use your state's own exchange to apply, if your state has one (most Blue States have done this), or D) Go to your state's Insurance Commissioner Web Site and research what plans are offered and what prices apply to your age, location, gender, and tobacco status. Then contact the Insurance Company of your choice directly to apply. Note that many insurance companies offer both exchange and non-exchange plans. A non-exchange plan still needs to meet all the requirements of the ACA Metal plans: Bronze-Silver-Gold. But a non-exchange plan is not eligible for a subsidy. Since the Insurance Company does not need to bother with all the red-tape for the government subsidy, non-exchange plans are often cheaper than exchange plans. If you purchase a non-exchange Metal plan, you meet the requirements of ACA and are not subject to the Individual Mandate Penalty. Also, if you are on Medicare you are already covered and can ignore HealthCare.gov and its issues. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Before any health care issues are processed, all personal information and data are first copied to the NSA, the FBI, the CIA, Naval Intelligence, Defense Communications Agency, DEA, BATFE, etc., except that such information is not really copied to those agencies if anybody asks about it later. Next, backup copies of all transactions and information are kept in Cloud Nine, whose principal server is on the Moon. Every transmission to or from the moon requires about 2 seconds extra time due to the distance. In order to prevent a user from attempting to create a duplicate account, every hadron in the universe is first checked for redundant use. [see John Gilmore's previous post about 55! and the number of hadrons in the universe] All programs, templates, scripts, etc., that are loaded are fetched from Cloud Nine (on the Moon). This accounts for most of the loading time (except that 55! + 11! programs must be loaded). The part of the processing that deals with health care and/or insurance issues has not yet been coded. Only the 4 previous paragraphs have been implemented so far with real code. All processing takes place on platforms running HSA (Hosed System Architecture). [1] Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN [1] See the SHARE proceedings of August, 1991 in Chicago for the session in which HSA was first pre-post-announced. - Original Message - From: Doug Fuerst d...@bkassociates.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:33:29 AM Subject: Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems Anyone who sends any personal information to this site is crazy. On 10/30/2013 12:06 PM, DASDBILL2 wrote: Possible answers: 1. The contractors decided that one and two-thirds lines of code were necessary for each person in the USA. 2. When it is finally working, we can read it and then know what it says. [paraphrasing Nancy Pelosi's comment that we should first pass the legislation and then we would know what was in it] 3. The contractors were paid by the line of code they produced rather than the length of time it took to write the code, and most of the lines of code that were counted are comments. 4. They had to redo the first 250 million lines of code because the dog ate it. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - snip -- Doug Fuerst Principal Consultant BK Associates 718.921.2620 917.572.7364 d...@bkassociates.net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems
anthony.sambat...@nih.gov (Sambataro, Anthony [E] , NIH/NBS) writes: I've read that the Obamacare software contains 500 million lines of code, how can that be? I thought more like 5m LOC ... but may come to reach $400M-$500M (but that includes everything not just writing code, but also full roll-out and operation) ... but would be like $100/LOC (if operations included). common metric of less than 100LOC/person/day, 500M LOCS is more than 5million worker days or well over 20,000 worker years. for comparison ... a recent IBM problem Pennsylvania Kills An IBM Contract That's 3 Years Late And $60 Million Over Budget http://www.businessinsider.com/pennsylvania-kills-ibm-project-2013-8 from above: It said the computer system built so far was unreliable and full of bugs (had a higher number of software defects than industry norms.) Plus, it blamed IBM's revolving-door workforce. The initial project manager and the top executive left in 2009 and IBM preceded to have 638 people work on the system, rotating most of them off in less than a year. ... and ... A year ago, laid-off IBM employees told us that the company's ongoing layoffs are creating a lot of churn in large projects like these and hurting the company. They named a handful of cases where other big clients pulled the plug on IBM contracts. ... snip ... referenced article: http://www.businessinsider.com/ibm-laid-off-employee-says-company-is-blowing-it-2012-4 including Disney @ $100m/annum, Texas @ $863m, and Indiana 10yr, $1B and comparison with other large program (with large millions of LOC) What If Obamacare Was A Fighter Jet? http://my.firedoglake.com/jpsottile/2013/10/24/what-if-obamacare-was-a-fighter-jet/ will eventually be nearly two decades ... the article does raise issue about long-term, broken procurement process throughout the federal gov (however, especially epidemic in DOD where they keep putting off date when DOD has to comply with mandatory financial audit). -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Acoustic coupler and no module greater then 64k? Yee-hah In a message dated 10/30/13 11:55:39 Central Daylight Time, jcew...@acm.org writes: with designing a high-volume web site should be required to test using a 56 Kbs network interface so they would be forced to give greater consideration to web-page display efficiency early in the game! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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1. The contractors decided that one and two-thirds lines of code were necessary for each person in the USA. Easy enough :) EVALUATE TRUE WHEN SSN = '1' WORK-SSN = '1' ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems
On 30/10/2013 10:11 PM, Jim Marshall wrote: There is a NetworkWorld story which is worth a read revealing some of the problems. Much thanks to Compuware using some of its Application Performance Monitoring tools to uncover certain things. It is worth it to click on the gentleman's Blog for more detail. Of course this is only the Internet facing portion and even if fixed for added speed, never know if the back-end processing will do as advertised. NETWORKWORLD ARTICLE: “Why is the Obamacare Healthcare.gov website so sick?” http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/102313-healthcare-gov-275167.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Hyperbole! It's not that bad! Check out the PageSpeed results http://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=healthcare.gov. And then compare it to www.ibm.com http://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
