Re: Online citations for STARTIO
I'm not sure that wiki would accept anything behind a membership wall as published. Does SHARE offer a way for a non-member to view an individual session? If so, O346 might do the trick, especially as it is a secondary source. Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Leonard D Woren [ibm-main...@ldworen.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 9:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Online citations for STARTIO Not all reliable sources are online, particularly if they pre-date the www (1989). Yes, I read the supplied link to reliable sources, but it's just an obligatory hand-wave. They've made it pretty clear that they really don't want to recognize anything that's not online. I have a scan (with my handwritten notes) of a handout from SHARE 70 (1988), session O346, titled "How to Write an IOS Driver - The MVS STARTIO Interface". Alex Hilleary, Cray Research Inc. I would consider that a reliable source, but we're talking about Wikipedia. /Leonard Seymour J Metz wrote on 5/10/2022 4:51 PM: > What I'm looking for is a "reliable source" > (<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1uXJ-l6mwCFmjAs3P79IKuaTBvoOnScW_u9HTu91rdSJNVwWsx3zy9sts0X_NgLuoz0gFVhY87coJv01W_PMxfG6rUgLRbv92oZCvEyAS0QachbsUFkZ5WdzHpsEKWichxsX7OGbuMfRl7Ogfb2mVlqE7AJ2WmXlsUf4gTkcZdZd5A1A4oOlua5OtDauOfMhXe3M5b-M5CXI7bmMQQRK829y2E9Mn3dkZ0GEz3puY7e4QTxfgj6kPot6u1ftOlREdcUuzcYNAstjpC5ug7ZCh-UNv6sFTvrIbyR1I4tnY3iEhnfVQN4TwX4h4BHmiQqCOvExQhaE5FHPGzD1ty5EsoDy5B-lSmsWdsd0lejymMgyJnTR3tawkY_dp2qyKCcpAmCG-I_mpd3uzh1PjWRVrC94p0eGCHlfHz0mYUpNlWXRuhWtopmq7XDyTU7Ku_QY0/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AReliable_sources>) > for the STARTIO macro and service in MVS, not the SIO instruction. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Attila Fogarasi [fogar...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 6:38 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Online citations for STARTIO > > Are these 4 slides good enough? > https://secure-web.cisco.com/10SMEd6So8v3HaG3wroXc0E97GgYl4U2knyCjFiG5-90XVyGLfOxg_lZzRBkbRC3nzS9vQE3EhQDAJFfJ2gU6j12rfsb2LfWV61IWCZpTMmXl_dm6MMvszvw4i9bKRt13IIRt84GaxXqw53sHoKQT8tSw4Mi41UofNbZtoU9wDDBA1dDMlWXcHu3jRwaDbbEyHVZ0XVLwQW_GnPI6XHAD9LYB59vM3HrV8L0ejQKe4cuQCIq6LwFdpseKD4gARO_ngSL_3nWlSo9zqb0eXN8knwtMfvKJ_9yyLIM6oVEDOUlk6ER5ROlgI0yWMIUvY0kTATCARNN1VCtLWKIur2DKU_H6yf8Jciwje4lotPn4zTc09NcSPyesP1yPCnRaHGdb-JlY8bUa8GGKiE7CdLXoV7oIQzEb7CY_gl3hI3CrTP3QSLTNEnjMlMmDYK974cGBY5Zg-Ee3eZzSzLerin8tMA/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.slideserve.com%2Ffreira%2Fibm-s-360-370-io-instruction-format > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:58 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > >> I'm looking for something that I can cite as a wiki reliable source for >> STARTIO, preferably an online secondary source. Worst case I'll use a dead >> tree on my bookcase, but I' hoping for something more accessible. >> >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Online citations for STARTIO
Not all reliable sources are online, particularly if they pre-date the www (1989). Yes, I read the supplied link to reliable sources, but it's just an obligatory hand-wave. They've made it pretty clear that they really don't want to recognize anything that's not online. I have a scan (with my handwritten notes) of a handout from SHARE 70 (1988), session O346, titled "How to Write an IOS Driver - The MVS STARTIO Interface". Alex Hilleary, Cray Research Inc. I would consider that a reliable source, but we're talking about Wikipedia. /Leonard Seymour J Metz wrote on 5/10/2022 4:51 PM: What I'm looking for is a "reliable source" (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources>) for the STARTIO macro and service in MVS, not the SIO instruction. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Attila Fogarasi [fogar...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 6:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Online citations for STARTIO Are these 4 slides good enough? https://secure-web.cisco.com/10SMEd6So8v3HaG3wroXc0E97GgYl4U2knyCjFiG5-90XVyGLfOxg_lZzRBkbRC3nzS9vQE3EhQDAJFfJ2gU6j12rfsb2LfWV61IWCZpTMmXl_dm6MMvszvw4i9bKRt13IIRt84GaxXqw53sHoKQT8tSw4Mi41UofNbZtoU9wDDBA1dDMlWXcHu3jRwaDbbEyHVZ0XVLwQW_GnPI6XHAD9LYB59vM3HrV8L0ejQKe4cuQCIq6LwFdpseKD4gARO_ngSL_3nWlSo9zqb0eXN8knwtMfvKJ_9yyLIM6oVEDOUlk6ER5ROlgI0yWMIUvY0kTATCARNN1VCtLWKIur2DKU_H6yf8Jciwje4lotPn4zTc09NcSPyesP1yPCnRaHGdb-JlY8bUa8GGKiE7CdLXoV7oIQzEb7CY_gl3hI3CrTP3QSLTNEnjMlMmDYK974cGBY5Zg-Ee3eZzSzLerin8tMA/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.slideserve.com%2Ffreira%2Fibm-s-360-370-io-instruction-format On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:58 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: I'm looking for something that I can cite as a wiki reliable source for STARTIO, preferably an online secondary source. Worst case I'll use a dead tree on my bookcase, but I' hoping for something more accessible. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Online citations for STARTIO
What I'm looking for is a "reliable source" (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources>) for the STARTIO macro and service in MVS, not the SIO instruction. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Attila Fogarasi [fogar...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 6:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Online citations for STARTIO Are these 4 slides good enough? https://secure-web.cisco.com/10SMEd6So8v3HaG3wroXc0E97GgYl4U2knyCjFiG5-90XVyGLfOxg_lZzRBkbRC3nzS9vQE3EhQDAJFfJ2gU6j12rfsb2LfWV61IWCZpTMmXl_dm6MMvszvw4i9bKRt13IIRt84GaxXqw53sHoKQT8tSw4Mi41UofNbZtoU9wDDBA1dDMlWXcHu3jRwaDbbEyHVZ0XVLwQW_GnPI6XHAD9LYB59vM3HrV8L0ejQKe4cuQCIq6LwFdpseKD4gARO_ngSL_3nWlSo9zqb0eXN8knwtMfvKJ_9yyLIM6oVEDOUlk6ER5ROlgI0yWMIUvY0kTATCARNN1VCtLWKIur2DKU_H6yf8Jciwje4lotPn4zTc09NcSPyesP1yPCnRaHGdb-JlY8bUa8GGKiE7CdLXoV7oIQzEb7CY_gl3hI3CrTP3QSLTNEnjMlMmDYK974cGBY5Zg-Ee3eZzSzLerin8tMA/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.slideserve.com%2Ffreira%2Fibm-s-360-370-io-instruction-format On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:58 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > I'm looking for something that I can cite as a wiki reliable source for > STARTIO, preferably an online secondary source. Worst case I'll use a dead > tree on my bookcase, but I' hoping for something more accessible. > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Online citations for STARTIO
Are these 4 slides good enough? https://www.slideserve.com/freira/ibm-s-360-370-io-instruction-format On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:58 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > I'm looking for something that I can cite as a wiki reliable source for > STARTIO, preferably an online secondary source. Worst case I'll use a dead > tree on my bookcase, but I' hoping for something more accessible. > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
