Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[Timothy Sipples]

John McKown wrote:
>1.12

That's very likely your actual problem. The IBM SDK for z/OS, Java Technology 
Edition, Version 8 definitely requires z/OS 1.13 or higher.

>Java 8 won't run on our z9 due to ALS level.

That's incorrect. Even the z890/z990 model generation can run Java 8, and your 
machine is one model generation newer than that.

If you have a "sandbox" LPAR with z/OS 1.13 or z/OS 2.1 you can try again. 
(z/OS 1.13 and 2.1 are the only two z/OS releases that are compatible with both 
IBM z9 BC machines and Java 8.)

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Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[John McKown]

Problem resolved by using the Windows SCRT program to process the SMF data.
I tested this yesterday & it worked fine. I assume version 29 on Windows
will be available 15Oct2022 just like the z/OS version.

Actually, this won't be a problem until version 29 of SCRT is required.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 00:33 Timothy Sipples  wrote:

> John, a couple questions from me:
>
> 1. What release of z/OS? 2.1?
>

1.12


> 2. What's your Java release? (java -version should tell you.)
>

Java 7. Upcoming SCRT requires Java 8. Java 8 won't run on our z9 due to
ALS level.


> 3. What's the exact, complete error message you're getting?
>

Sorry, I don't have the output anymore.


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Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[Timothy Sipples]

John, a couple questions from me:

1. What release of z/OS? 2.1?

2. What's your Java release? (java -version should tell you.)

3. What's the exact, complete error message you're getting?

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Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[John McKown]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 7:05 PM Michael Oujesky 
wrote:

> Look like LINUX desktops are supported and simple binary transfer of
> the SMF data per
> <
> https://www-40.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/SCRTsc236845/$file/e0z3s127.pdf>SCRT:
>
> Using the Sub-Capacity Reporting Tool V28.2.0
> (ibm.com)
>
> https://www-40.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/SCRTsc236845/$file/e0z3s127.pdf
>
>
> Michael
>

Thanks, Michael.

I have downloaded this on my work desktop PC. I tested it out. The report
numbers are the same, with some minor differences in "comment" type data.
Or so says my "diff".



>
> At 12:50 PM 9/10/2022, John McKown wrote:
>
> >Not too sure the form the SMF data would need to be in. And I thought to
> he
> >Linux version was only for z/Linux. But it's something to look into.
> >
> >On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 11:56 Michael Oujesky 
> wrote:
> >
> > > It has been a while since I worked with SCRT, but thought it also ran
> > > on Linux and Windows.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > At 08:20 AM 9/9/2022, John McKown wrote:
> > >
> > > >I just found out that IBM will be releasing version 29 of the SCRT
> program
> > > >on 15Oct2022. Version 28 reports will be accepted only up to the
> Nov2022
> > > >report (submitted in Dec2022), at which time only version 29 reports
> will
> > > >be accepted. Version 29 of SCRT requires Java 8.
> > > >
> > > >I just tested this out at work using Java 8 instead of Java 7. Java 8
> > > >reports that it will not run on a z9BC. "Processor detected (z9) does
> not
> > > >support instruction MVGHI" .
> > > >
> > > >This is going to be fun. A sister company is on a z15, running z/OS.
> So
> > > >perhaps they will be tasked to take our SMF data, produce the SCRT
> report,
> > > >and then upload it to IBM. But perhaps they will give me an ID on
> their
> > > >system to do this.
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Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[Michael Oujesky]

Look like LINUX desktops are supported and simple binary transfer of 
the SMF data per 
SCRT: 
Using the Sub-Capacity Reporting Tool V28.2.0 
(ibm.com) 
https://www-40.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/SCRTsc236845/$file/e0z3s127.pdf 



Michael


At 12:50 PM 9/10/2022, John McKown wrote:


Not too sure the form the SMF data would need to be in. And I thought to he
Linux version was only for z/Linux. But it's something to look into.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 11:56 Michael Oujesky  wrote:

> It has been a while since I worked with SCRT, but thought it also ran
> on Linux and Windows.
>
> Michael
>
> At 08:20 AM 9/9/2022, John McKown wrote:
>
> >I just found out that IBM will be releasing version 29 of the SCRT program
> >on 15Oct2022. Version 28 reports will be accepted only up to the Nov2022
> >report (submitted in Dec2022), at which time only version 29 reports will
> >be accepted. Version 29 of SCRT requires Java 8.
> >
> >I just tested this out at work using Java 8 instead of Java 7. Java 8
> >reports that it will not run on a z9BC. "Processor detected (z9) does not
> >support instruction MVGHI" .
> >
> >This is going to be fun. A sister company is on a z15, running z/OS. So
> >perhaps they will be tasked to take our SMF data, produce the SCRT report,
> >and then upload it to IBM. But perhaps they will give me an ID on their
> >system to do this.
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Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[John McKown]

Not too sure the form the SMF data would need to be in. And I thought to he
Linux version was only for z/Linux. But it's something to look into.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 11:56 Michael Oujesky  wrote:

> It has been a while since I worked with SCRT, but thought it also ran
> on Linux and Windows.
>
> Michael
>
> At 08:20 AM 9/9/2022, John McKown wrote:
>
> >I just found out that IBM will be releasing version 29 of the SCRT program
> >on 15Oct2022. Version 28 reports will be accepted only up to the Nov2022
> >report (submitted in Dec2022), at which time only version 29 reports will
> >be accepted. Version 29 of SCRT requires Java 8.
> >
> >I just tested this out at work using Java 8 instead of Java 7. Java 8
> >reports that it will not run on a z9BC. "Processor detected (z9) does not
> >support instruction MVGHI" .
> >
> >This is going to be fun. A sister company is on a z15, running z/OS. So
> >perhaps they will be tasked to take our SMF data, produce the SCRT report,
> >and then upload it to IBM. But perhaps they will give me an ID on their
> >system to do this.
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Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[John McKown]

Another Optum site is running some version of z/OS on a z15. I don't know
anyone there, but maybe. They didn't want us on their system when we
offered to help if they needed it. As I understand it, they are down to one
sysprog now because the other 2 retired earlier this year.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 06:27 Andrew Rowley 
wrote:

> On 9/09/2022 11:20 pm, John McKown wrote:
> > I just tested this out at work using Java 8 instead of Java 7. Java 8
> > reports that it will not run on a z9BC. "Processor detected (z9) does not
> > support instruction MVGHI" .
>
> Can you just run it on another platform?
>
> Andrew Rowley
>
> Black Hill Software
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Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[Michael Oujesky]

It has been a while since I worked with SCRT, but thought it also ran 
on Linux and Windows.


Michael

At 08:20 AM 9/9/2022, John McKown wrote:


I just found out that IBM will be releasing version 29 of the SCRT program
on 15Oct2022. Version 28 reports will be accepted only up to the Nov2022
report (submitted in Dec2022), at which time only version 29 reports will
be accepted. Version 29 of SCRT requires Java 8.

I just tested this out at work using Java 8 instead of Java 7. Java 8
reports that it will not run on a z9BC. "Processor detected (z9) does not
support instruction MVGHI" .

This is going to be fun. A sister company is on a z15, running z/OS. So
perhaps they will be tasked to take our SMF data, produce the SCRT report,
and then upload it to IBM. But perhaps they will give me an ID on their
system to do this.

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Re: Real fun for companies on older machines & SCRT

[Andrew Rowley]

On 9/09/2022 11:20 pm, John McKown wrote:

I just tested this out at work using Java 8 instead of Java 7. Java 8
reports that it will not run on a z9BC. "Processor detected (z9) does not
support instruction MVGHI" .


Can you just run it on another platform?

Andrew Rowley

Black Hill Software

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