Re: z/PDT

[Mike Schwab]

Site written software would the company written application unique to
their site and data, vs something bought from an outside company.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:27 PM kekronbekron
<02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Hey, what do you mean by site written software?
>
> Would this apply even if I get zPDT LE with my personal email?
> Is it so because they'll verify that I have the pre-req (of relevant MF 
> experience)?
>
> - KB
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> On Tuesday, March 29th, 2022 at 9:44 AM, Mike Schwab 
>  wrote:
>
> > If you are doing any coding to learn, that is going to be OK.
> >
> > If you happen to code anything that is useful to run on your
> >
> > employer's mainframe, it probably won't be detected since it would
> >
> > fall under site written software.
> >
> > If you try to sell to any non-employer company they are probably going
> >
> > to check if you are an IBM partner or their recognized list of
> >
> > mainframe vendors.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:49 AM Grant Taylor
> >
> > 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/27/22 10:11 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE
> > > >
> > > > edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might
> > > >
> > > > have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition.
> > >
> > > That seems like you could potentially end up in some uncharted
> > >
> > > territory. Especially if you copied any code from the LE to the non-LE
> > >
> > > edition.
> > >
> > > Maybe IBM would allow you to retroactively upgrade from the LE license
> > >
> > > to a non-LE license to work around the licensing issue.
> > >
> > > The what is learning vs what is developing an earlier version seems to
> > >
> > > be a murky thing to me.
> > >
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Re: z/PDT

[kekronbekron]

Hey, what do you mean by site written software?

Would this apply even if I get zPDT LE with my personal email?
Is it so because they'll verify that I have the pre-req (of relevant MF 
experience)?

- KB

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On Tuesday, March 29th, 2022 at 9:44 AM, Mike Schwab  
wrote:

> If you are doing any coding to learn, that is going to be OK.
>
> If you happen to code anything that is useful to run on your
>
> employer's mainframe, it probably won't be detected since it would
>
> fall under site written software.
>
> If you try to sell to any non-employer company they are probably going
>
> to check if you are an IBM partner or their recognized list of
>
> mainframe vendors.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:49 AM Grant Taylor
>
> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
>
> > On 3/27/22 10:11 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> >
> > > I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE
> > >
> > > edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might
> > >
> > > have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition.
> >
> > That seems like you could potentially end up in some uncharted
> >
> > territory. Especially if you copied any code from the LE to the non-LE
> >
> > edition.
> >
> > Maybe IBM would allow you to retroactively upgrade from the LE license
> >
> > to a non-LE license to work around the licensing issue.
> >
> > The what is learning vs what is developing an earlier version seems to
> >
> > be a murky thing to me.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Grant. . . .
> >
> > unix || die
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Re: z/PDT

[Mike Schwab]

If you are doing any coding to learn, that is going to be OK.
If you happen to code anything that is useful to run on your
employer's mainframe, it probably won't be detected since it would
fall under site written software.

If you try to sell to any non-employer company they are probably going
to check if you are an IBM partner or their recognized list of
mainframe vendors.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:49 AM Grant Taylor
<023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> On 3/27/22 10:11 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE
> > edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might
> > have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition.
>
> That seems like you could potentially end up in some uncharted
> territory.  Especially if you copied any code from the LE to the non-LE
> edition.
>
> Maybe IBM would allow you to retroactively upgrade from the LE license
> to a non-LE license to work around the licensing issue.
>
> The what is learning vs what is developing an earlier version seems to
> be a murky thing to me.
>
>
>
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Re: z/PDT

[Grant Taylor]

On 3/27/22 10:11 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE 
edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might 
have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition.


That seems like you could potentially end up in some uncharted 
territory.  Especially if you copied any code from the LE to the non-LE 
edition.


Maybe IBM would allow you to retroactively upgrade from the LE license 
to a non-LE license to work around the licensing issue.


The what is learning vs what is developing an earlier version seems to 
be a murky thing to me.




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Re: z/PDT

[Brian Westerman]

I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE edition 
and if things start working out for you and you think you might have a viable 
product, you could then switch to the personal edition.  I don't think you are 
locked into anything by starting with the LE edition.  Many people might start 
there and just "give up" due to the learning curve of developing a polished 
product, but for some it might be a really good way to get started.

For me, there are several things I would love to learn how to do but could not 
justify doing it at work on real iron, nor could I justify (to my spouse) the 
cost of the Personal Edition to learn something I may not be able to use for 
anything constructive.  If the LE were available, I would not have any way to 
pass up the opportunity to finally teach myself how to do some of the things I 
skipped over the years.

Brian

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Re: z/PDT

[Matt Hogstrom]

It presumes that agreements will be enforced by both sides in an environment of 
integrity.  f we don’t have that then the market is very broken.  While working 
on Zowe we did regression nd builds on ZPDT but all final binaries were built 
and tested on real hardware.

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> On Mar 26, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka  wrote:
> 
> Well, how can it be enforced?
> Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's working on 
> zPDT emulated machine.
> Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for one 
> day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for his own 
> work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed.
> I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of zPDT 
> is not on the picture.
> 
> 
> Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question.
> 
> -- 
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
> 
> 
> 
> W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze:
>> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built 
>> on real IBM Z hardware.  Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and 
>> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products.
>> 
>> 
>> Matt Hogstrom
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” 
>> - Hanlon’s Razor
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
 I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I
 commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's
 Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was
 wrong.
>>> Joseph's question/comment was:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Why do I have to pay so much money
>>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
>>> 
>>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and 
>>> can sell software you develop
>>> 
>>> If so what makes me different than an ISV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what 
>>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion.
>>> 
>>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.
>>> 
>>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Edward E. Jaffe
>>> 831 Parkview Drive North
>>> El Segundo, CA 90245
>>> https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: z/PDT

[Charles Mills]

#1 yes, of course, cutting Version 0.1 is just the start of being in the 
software business.

#2, there would seem to me to be a whole continuum of cases (FWIW).

What if I have an idea for a commercial product. I use an LE to develop a 
prototype and test out my ideas. When I have the prototype demoable I take it 
to an ISV and say "let's make some kind of deal for my idea here" (to be 
developed, published and supported on your "real" Z). Where would that fall on 
the spectrum of legal/not legal ethical/not ethical?

Of course, I have not even read the agreement. That might be a good starting 
point. 

Charles


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IMHO, a justifiable fear of size and ferocity of the legal army at IBM should 
provide the needed incentive to DTRT for most above-board Learners Edition 
users, at least most of the time.  I can’t speak for dark web bad actors, they 
are an entirely different kettle of fish.

One day (or partial day) spent recompiling on a "real" system to generate a 
distributable product won’t cut the mustard for any actual product someone may 
wish to sell.  Selling is only the first step.  Ongoing support for a product 
is where the real issue lies.

If a "real" product is your goal, becoming an IBM partner and paying for at 
least the Personal Edition is a far better (though obviously costlier up front) 
way to go.

Peter

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Brian Westerman
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 2:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/PDT

A lot of this is trusting people when they sign the agreement to do the right 
thing.

Brian

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:51:33 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka  
wrote:

>Well, how can it be enforced?
>Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's 
>working on zPDT emulated machine.
>Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for 
>one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for 
>his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed.
>I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of 
>zPDT is not on the picture.
>
>Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question.
>--
>Radoslaw Skorupka
>Lodz, Poland
>
>W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze:
>> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built 
>> on real IBM Z hardware.  Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and 
>> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products.
>>
>> Matt Hogstrom
>>
>> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by 
>> stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor
>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>>>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I 
>>>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's 
>>>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was 
>>>> wrong.
>>> Joseph's question/comment was:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Why do I have to pay so much money
>>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
>>>
>>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal 
>>> edition and can sell software you develop
>>>
>>> If so what makes me different than an ISV 
>>>
>>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what 
>>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion.
>>>
>>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.
>>>
>>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment...
>>>
>>>
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Re: z/PDT

[Phil Smith III]

Peter Farley wrote, in part:

>IMHO, a justifiable fear of size and ferocity of the legal army at IBM
should provide the needed incentive to DTRT for most above-board Learners
Edition users

 

As an early manager once told me, "IBM's lawyers can beat up our lawyers",
so yeah. And anyone needing z/PDT LE surely doesn't have much in the way of
lawyers anyway.


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Re: z/PDT

[Farley, Peter x23353]

IMHO, a justifiable fear of size and ferocity of the legal army at IBM should 
provide the needed incentive to DTRT for most above-board Learners Edition 
users, at least most of the time.  I can’t speak for dark web bad actors, they 
are an entirely different kettle of fish.

One day (or partial day) spent recompiling on a "real" system to generate a 
distributable product won’t cut the mustard for any actual product someone may 
wish to sell.  Selling is only the first step.  Ongoing support for a product 
is where the real issue lies.

If a "real" product is your goal, becoming an IBM partner and paying for at 
least the Personal Edition is a far better (though obviously costlier up front) 
way to go.

Peter

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Brian Westerman
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 2:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/PDT

A lot of this is trusting people when they sign the agreement to do the right 
thing.

Brian

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:51:33 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka  
wrote:

>Well, how can it be enforced?
>Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's 
>working on zPDT emulated machine.
>Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for 
>one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for 
>his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed.
>I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of 
>zPDT is not on the picture.
>
>Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question.
>--
>Radoslaw Skorupka
>Lodz, Poland
>
>W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze:
>> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built 
>> on real IBM Z hardware.  Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and 
>> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products.
>>
>> Matt Hogstrom
>>
>> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by 
>> stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor
>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>>>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I 
>>>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's 
>>>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was 
>>>> wrong.
>>> Joseph's question/comment was:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Why do I have to pay so much money
>>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
>>>
>>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal 
>>> edition and can sell software you develop
>>>
>>> If so what makes me different than an ISV 
>>>
>>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what 
>>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion.
>>>
>>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.
>>>
>>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment...
>>>
>>>
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Re: z/PDT

[Seymour J Metz]

The use of leased machines to develop commercial software is certainly legal. 
However, for the scenario that you described the use of zPDT *is* in the 
picture, and is a contract violation. The violation is not in the use of the 
leased machine, but in the copying of the source code with the intention of 
selling the object code.

As to how IBM will enforce it, that's not my dog, but I won't be a guinea pig 
for that inquiry.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Radoslaw Skorupka [r.skoru...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 10:51 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/PDT

Well, how can it be enforced?
Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's
working on zPDT emulated machine.
Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for
one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for
his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed.
I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of
zPDT is not on the picture.


Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question.

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland



W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze:
> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built 
> on real IBM Z hardware.  Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and 
> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products.
>
>
> Matt Hogstrom
>
>
>
> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” 
> - Hanlon’s Razor
>
>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>>
>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I
>>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's
>>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was
>>> wrong.
>> Joseph's question/comment was:
>>
>> 
>> Why do I have to pay so much money
>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
>>
>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and 
>> can sell software you develop
>>
>> If so what makes me different than an ISV
>> 
>>
>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what 
>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion.
>>
>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.
>>
>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Phoenix Software International
>> Edward E. Jaffe
>> 831 Parkview Drive North
>> El Segundo, CA 90245
>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1dFvgtQOymi3DhyZx2sp6OWCdY536In-IP450SR-lSFyY9DWRvDmQ_RoVwKyYmyoOIBtkCMIaaG-bcuLW98_OAmh6Wx-ukQcJL2t5Oqg9ssvUYGdnSfSAYZNnHSicTBnWGKAioEOYkrIQzGi-JNE2ZdRsqKEHsrJSrlnrey2nJD0L3YJoz7CMRrUcUr3UzgNp8s_6V0xQpGG2LX9M5qeiDbdf76ML10n2B7mxuLss5Lz8mU8QjKz3kHRmZnveSbdvjbhEKPWrAUUk_OyGC1Rutjvr1YroCQcopQZiD1jxjZohaiJgcIn9RZ2Sa1fqYcjTOStsJ_lxaB1TDzwhxeLjodsD87EpmnrdxZ1Mlkup6yXISYojAdj1qauBAY0Tp_1UjFX6qEvxNyu1nyJ_Qdiufa_i7Q7P2v7x6CO9H-Y8KM3RKUScSbNXYY7CpeNvnPoL/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.phoenixsoftware.com%2F
>>
>>

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Re: z/PDT

[Brian Westerman]

A lot of this is trusting people when they sign the agreement to do the right 
thing.

Brian

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:51:33 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka  
wrote:

>Well, how can it be enforced?
>Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's
>working on zPDT emulated machine.
>Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for
>one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for
>his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed.
>I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of
>zPDT is not on the picture.
>
>
>Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question.
>
>--
>Radoslaw Skorupka
>Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze:
>> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built 
>> on real IBM Z hardware.  Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and 
>> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products.
>>
>>
>> Matt Hogstrom
>>
>>
>>
>> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” 
>> - Hanlon’s Razor
>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
 I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I
 commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's
 Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was
 wrong.
>>> Joseph's question/comment was:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Why do I have to pay so much money
>>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
>>>
>>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and 
>>> can sell software you develop
>>>
>>> If so what makes me different than an ISV
>>> 
>>>
>>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what 
>>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion.
>>>
>>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.
>>>
>>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Phoenix Software International
>>> Edward E. Jaffe
>>> 831 Parkview Drive North
>>> El Segundo, CA 90245
>>> https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/
>>>
>>>
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Re: z/PDT

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

Well, how can it be enforced?
Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's 
working on zPDT emulated machine.
Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for 
one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for 
his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed.
I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of 
zPDT is not on the picture.



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W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze:

IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built on 
real IBM Z hardware.  Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and condition 
way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products.


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On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:

On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:

I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I
commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's
Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was
wrong.

Joseph's question/comment was:


Why do I have to pay so much money
When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars

And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and can 
sell software you develop

If so what makes me different than an ISV


So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what we 
(or at least I) thought was under discussion.

As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.

Sorry if I misunderstood your comment...


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Re: z/PDT

[Joseph Reichman]

I think I have personal addition


> On Mar 25, 2022, at 11:47 AM, Joseph Reichman  wrote:
> 
> My sales rep indicated that when I finish developing my software I apply and 
> rent time on a LPAR on real iron I.E z15 
> Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>> 
>> On 3/25/2022 7:52 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman  
> wrote:
> 
> At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep
> Why do I have to pay so much money
> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
> 
> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition 
> and can sell software you develop
>>> I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling
>>> software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that...
>> 
>> It most certainly does!!! Commercial use of any kind is prohibited.
>> 
>> It's called the "Learner's Edition" because it's made available strictly for 
>> people to *LEARN* ... not for them to develop commercial, for-sale software.
>> 
>> In that sense, it is not really the "hobby" license the user community has 
>> been requesting for decades.
>> 
>> But, it's a major step in the right direction...
>> 
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Re: z/PDT

[Tony Harminc]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 12:01, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>
> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> >
> > I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I
> > commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's
> > Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was
> > wrong.
>
> Joseph's question/comment was:
>
> 
> Why do I have to pay so much money
> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
>
> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and 
> can sell software you develop
>
> If so what makes me different than an ISV
> 
>
> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely
> what we (or at least I) thought was under discussion.
>
> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.
>
> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment...

I think we're all wrong. :-) I was less than clear - I thought the
main issue was why Joseph can't use the ISV (z1090) vs what he has
(the less comprehensive z1091) version.

Hopefully all on the same page now.

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Re: z/PDT

[Matt Hogstrom]

IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built on 
real IBM Z hardware.  Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and condition 
way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products.


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> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>> 
>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I
>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's
>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was
>> wrong.
> 
> Joseph's question/comment was:
> 
> 
> Why do I have to pay so much money
> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
> 
> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and 
> can sell software you develop
> 
> If so what makes me different than an ISV
> 
> 
> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what 
> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion.
> 
> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.
> 
> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment...
> 
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[Ed Jaffe]

On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:


I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I
commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's
Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was
wrong.


Joseph's question/comment was:


Why do I have to pay so much money
When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars

And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and can 
sell software you develop

If so what makes me different than an ISV


So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely 
what we (or at least I) thought was under discussion.


As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not.

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Re: z/PDT

[Tony Harminc]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 11:05, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>
> On 3/25/2022 7:52 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
[...]
> > I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling
> > software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that...
>
> It most certainly does!!! Commercial use of any kind is prohibited.
>
> It's called the "Learner's Edition" because it's made available strictly
> for people to *LEARN* ... not for them to develop commercial, for-sale
> software.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 10:54, Jay Maynard  wrote:
>
> Actually, the z/PDTLE license *does* prohibit using it to develop software to 
> be sold.

I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I
commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's
Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was
wrong.

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Re: z/PDT

[Joseph Reichman]

My sales rep indicated that when I finish developing my software I apply and 
rent time on a LPAR on real iron I.E z15 
Thanks 



> On Mar 25, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2022 7:52 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep
>>> Why do I have to pay so much money
>>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
>>> 
>>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and 
>>> can sell software you develop
>> I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling
>> software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that...
> 
> It most certainly does!!! Commercial use of any kind is prohibited.
> 
> It's called the "Learner's Edition" because it's made available strictly for 
> people to *LEARN* ... not for them to develop commercial, for-sale software.
> 
> In that sense, it is not really the "hobby" license the user community has 
> been requesting for decades.
> 
> But, it's a major step in the right direction...
> 
> 
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Re: z/PDT

[Lionel B. Dyck]

And from what I've been told the LE also precludes doing open source 
development ☹

Unless that has changed.


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Actually, the z/PDTLE license *does* prohibit using it to develop software to 
be sold.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:52 AM Tony Harminc  wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman 
> wrote:
>
> > At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep Why do I have to pay so 
> > much money When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
> >
> > And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal 
> > edition
> and can sell software you develop
>
> I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling 
> software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that...
>
> > If so what makes me different than an ISV
>
> There is a process to sign up with IBM as a z ISV. Have you tried it?
> Last time I looked at it it wasn't too onerous. IIRC you do have to 
> have some evidence that you have a product either for sale or in the 
> pipeline.
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Re: z/PDT

[Ed Jaffe]

On 3/25/2022 7:52 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman  wrote:


At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep
Why do I have to pay so much money
When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars

And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and can 
sell software you develop

I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling
software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that...


It most certainly does!!! Commercial use of any kind is prohibited.

It's called the "Learner's Edition" because it's made available strictly 
for people to *LEARN* ... not for them to develop commercial, for-sale 
software.


In that sense, it is not really the "hobby" license the user community 
has been requesting for decades.


But, it's a major step in the right direction...


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Re: z/PDT

[Jay Maynard]

Actually, the z/PDTLE license *does* prohibit using it to develop software
to be sold.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:52 AM Tony Harminc  wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman 
> wrote:
>
> > At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep
> > Why do I have to pay so much money
> > When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
> >
> > And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition
> and can sell software you develop
>
> I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling
> software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that...
>
> > If so what makes me different than an ISV
>
> There is a process to sign up with IBM as a z ISV. Have you tried it?
> Last time I looked at it it wasn't too onerous. IIRC you do have to
> have some evidence that you have a product either for sale or in the
> pipeline.
>
> Tony H.
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Re: z/PDT

[Tony Harminc]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman  wrote:

> At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep
> Why do I have to pay so much money
> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars
>
> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and 
> can sell software you develop

I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling
software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that...

> If so what makes me different than an ISV

There is a process to sign up with IBM as a z ISV. Have you tried it?
Last time I looked at it it wasn't too onerous. IIRC you do have to
have some evidence that you have a product either for sale or in the
pipeline.

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Re: z/PDT

[Joseph Reichman]

Since you responded to my post maybe you 
Can answer a question 

At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep 
Why do I have to pay so much money 
When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars 

And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and can 
sell software you develop 

If so what makes me different than an ISV

Thank you 



> On Mar 25, 2022, at 3:57 AM, Sebastian Welton  wrote:
> 
> Dallas - ISV which means zPDT and tends to get the ADCD a bit quicker
> Passport Advantage - means ZD&T systems and this ADCD is packaged slightly 
> differently. In fact an ISV wouldn't be able to use it and vice-versa
> 
> Sebastian 
> 
>> Just opened a ticket was told will get a response by tommorow 
>> 
>> Thank you 
>> 
>> 
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Dallas - ISV which means zPDT and tends to get the ADCD a bit quicker
Passport Advantage - means ZD&T systems and this ADCD is packaged slightly 
differently. In fact an ISV wouldn't be able to use it and vice-versa

Sebastian 

>Just opened a ticket was told will get a response by tommorow 
>
>Thank you 
>
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[Joseph Reichman]

Just opened a ticket was told will get a response by tommorow 

Thank you 



> On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:32 AM, John Abell 
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> Yes we are ISVs and have had zPDT since the end of FLEX.
> 
> Let me know how you get this sorted out please.
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> Just logged in to passport advantage went to down load software Still 2.4 
> 
> John if I understand you it was explained to me that there are 2 Zpdt 
> personal edition which I think you I and vendors have 
> 
> And the learners edition 
> 
> I’ll call the passport advantage number and or ibmserv
> 
> Thank you 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:05 AM, John Abell 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK.  But if we can get it for zPDT, I would think that you should be able 
>> to also have it.
>> 
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>> John
>> 
>> Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from 
>> the passport advantage site
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site.  We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago 
>>> and have it up and running in its base form with no issues.
>>> 
>>> https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/dow
>>> n
>>> load.dat
>>> 
>>> You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password.
>>> 
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Re: z/PDT

[John Abell]

Yes we are ISVs and have had zPDT since the end of FLEX.

Let me know how you get this sorted out please.

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Just logged in to passport advantage went to down load software Still 2.4 

John if I understand you it was explained to me that there are 2 Zpdt personal 
edition which I think you I and vendors have 

And the learners edition 

I’ll call the passport advantage number and or ibmserv

Thank you 



> On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:05 AM, John Abell 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK.  But if we can get it for zPDT, I would think that you should be able to 
> also have it.
> 
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> Subject: Re: z/PDT
> 
> John
> 
> Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from 
> the passport advantage site
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site.  We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago 
>> and have it up and running in its base form with no issues.
>> 
>> https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/dow
>> n
>> load.dat
>> 
>> You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password.
>> 
>> John T. Abell
>> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4
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Re: z/PDT

[Joseph Reichman]

Just logged in to passport advantage went to down load software 
Still 2.4 

John if I understand you it was explained to me that there are 2 Zpdt personal 
edition which I think you I and vendors have 

And the learners edition 

I’ll call the passport advantage number and or ibmserv

Thank you 



> On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:05 AM, John Abell 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK.  But if we can get it for zPDT, I would think that you should be able to 
> also have it.
> 
> John T. Abell
> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4
> President 
> International:  1-416-593-5578  Option 4
> E-mail:  john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com
> Fax:800-295-7609
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Joseph Reichman
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:01 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/PDT
> 
> John 
> 
> Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from the 
> passport advantage site 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site.  We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago 
>> and have it up and running in its base form with no issues.
>> 
>> https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/down
>> load.dat
>> 
>> You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password.
>> 
>> John T. Abell
>> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4
>> President
>> International:  1-416-593-5578  Option 4
>> E-mail:  john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com
>> Fax:800-295-7609
>> 
>> International:  1-416-593-5579
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
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>> On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:20 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: z/PDT
>> 
>> On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I 
>>> heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth 
>>> they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have 
>>> something to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and 
>>> ready to go by mid-March.
>>> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB 
>>> dongle, either.
>>> 
>>> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 
>>>> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
>>>>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was 
>>>>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
>

Re: z/PDT

[John Abell]

OK.  But if we can get it for zPDT, I would think that you should be able to 
also have it.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Joseph Reichman
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:01 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/PDT

John 

Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from the 
passport advantage site 



> On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site.  We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago and 
> have it up and running in its base form with no issues.
> 
> https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/down
> load.dat
> 
> You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password.
> 
> John T. Abell
> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4
> President
> International:  1-416-593-5578  Option 4
> E-mail:  john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com
> Fax:800-295-7609
> 
> International:  1-416-593-5579
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:20 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/PDT
> 
> On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard  wrote:
>> 
>> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I 
>> heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth 
>> they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have 
>> something to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and 
>> ready to go by mid-March.
>> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB 
>> dongle, either.
>> 
>> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 
>>> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
>>>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was 
>>>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
>>> 
>>> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were 
>>> waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were 
>>> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share 
>>> without their permission.  ;-)
>>> 
>>> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all 
>>> hands on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people 
>>> that were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were 
>>> re-assigned for a while.  I'm speculating that they are now back o

Re: z/PDT

[Joseph Reichman]

John 

Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from the 
passport advantage site 



> On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site.  We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago and 
> have it up and running in its base form with no issues.
> 
> https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/download.dat
> 
> You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password.
> 
> John T. Abell
> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4
> President 
> International:  1-416-593-5578  Option 4
> E-mail:  john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com
> Fax:800-295-7609
> 
> International:  1-416-593-5579
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Joseph Reichman
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:20 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/PDT
> 
> On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard  wrote:
>> 
>> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I 
>> heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth 
>> they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have something 
>> to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by 
>> mid-March.
>> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB 
>> dongle, either.
>> 
>> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 
>>> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
>>>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was 
>>>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
>>> 
>>> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were 
>>> waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were 
>>> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share 
>>> without their permission.  ;-)
>>> 
>>> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands 
>>> on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that 
>>> were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for 
>>> a while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: z/PDT

[John Abell]

The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site.  We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago and 
have it up and running in its base form with no issues.

https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/download.dat

You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password.

John T. Abell   
Tel:800-295-7608Option 4
President 
International:  1-416-593-5578  Option 4
E-mail:  john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com
Fax:800-295-7609

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Joseph Reichman
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/PDT

On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything 



> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard  wrote:
> 
> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I 
> heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth 
> they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have something 
> to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by 
> mid-March.
> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB 
> dongle, either.
> 
> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 
>> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
>>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was 
>>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
>> 
>> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were 
>> waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were 
>> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
>> 
>> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share 
>> without their permission.  ;-)
>> 
>> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands 
>> on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that 
>> were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for 
>> a while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Grant. . . .
>> unix || die
>> 
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Re: z/PDT

[Joseph Reichman]

On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything 



> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard  wrote:
> 
> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard,
> the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to
> devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by
> mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March.
> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle,
> either.
> 
> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor <
>> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
>>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was
>>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
>> 
>> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were
>> waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were
>> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
>> 
>> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share without
>> their permission.  ;-)
>> 
>> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands on
>> deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that were
>> working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for a
>> while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Grant. . . .
>> unix || die
>> 
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Re: z/PDT

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Jay,

You have gotten a long way further along the LE process than I have.  I have 
been trying to find out my status in the LE approval process for the last 6 
weeks, and my original application submission was in December last year.

I would very sincerely hope that they would extend your license since 
mid-January is 1/6 of a year ago, but once you have everything in your hands I 
would absolutely make an official request to the LE product manager.

Peter

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Jay 
Maynard
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 1:33 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/PDT

I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, the 
log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to devote to 
such things, but they expected to have something to send out by mid-February, 
and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March.
Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle, 
either.

The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 
023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was 
> > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
>
> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were 
> waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were 
> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
>
> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share 
> without their permission.  ;-)
>
> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands 
> on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that 
> were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for 
> a while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.
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Re: z/PDT

[Jay Maynard]

I'm told that the z/PDT Learner's Edition is not just the 2.5 AD/CD, but
has other goodies on it as well. It also isn't quite the same as the
commercial version, thoughI don't know what the differences are - but if
you look at the z/PDT web page, you'll see that the latest version update
doesn't apply to the LE.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 8:03 AM John Abell <
john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com> wrote:

> We have the base configuration z/OS 2.5 ADCD that was released a couple of
> weeks back installed and running as a guest under z/VM 7.1 on the latest
> zPDT maintenance release without issues so far.
>
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> Behalf Of Jay Maynard
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 1:33 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/PDT
>
> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard,
> the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to
> devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by
> mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March.
> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle,
> either.
>
> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor <
> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was
> > > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
> >
> > I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were
> > waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were
> > saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share
> > without their permission.  ;-)
> >
> > I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands
> > on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that
> > were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for
> > a while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: z/PDT

[ITschak Mugzach]

Same here.

ITschak

בתאריך יום ד׳, 23 במרץ 2022 ב-15:03 מאת John Abell <
john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com>:

> We have the base configuration z/OS 2.5 ADCD that was released a couple of
> weeks back installed and running as a guest under z/VM 7.1 on the latest
> zPDT maintenance release without issues so far.
>
> John T. Abell
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 1:33 AM
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>
> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard,
> the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to
> devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by
> mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March.
> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle,
> either.
>
> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor <
> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was
> > > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
> >
> > I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were
> > waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were
> > saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share
> > without their permission.  ;-)
> >
> > I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands
> > on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that
> > were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for
> > a while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: z/PDT

[John Abell]

We have the base configuration z/OS 2.5 ADCD that was released a couple of 
weeks back installed and running as a guest under z/VM 7.1 on the latest zPDT 
maintenance release without issues so far.

John T. Abell   
Tel:800-295-7608Option 4
President 
International:  1-416-593-5578  Option 4
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International:  1-416-593-5579


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Jay Maynard
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 1:33 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/PDT

I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, the 
log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to devote to 
such things, but they expected to have something to send out by mid-February, 
and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March.
Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle, 
either.

The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 
023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was 
> > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
>
> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were 
> waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were 
> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
>
> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share 
> without their permission.  ;-)
>
> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands 
> on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that 
> were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for 
> a while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.
>
>
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Re: z/PDT

[Jay Maynard]

I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard,
the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to
devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by
mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March.
Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle,
either.

The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor <
023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was
> > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.
>
> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were
> waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were
> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.
>
> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share without
> their permission.  ;-)
>
> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands on
> deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that were
> working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for a
> while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.
>
>
>
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> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
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Re: z/PDT

[Grant Taylor]

On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately?  I was 
on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped.


I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were 
waiting on the approval as of early this year.  From what they were 
saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now.


Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share without 
their permission.  ;-)


I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands on 
deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms.  As such, people that were 
working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for a 
while.  I'm speculating that they are now back on task.




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