Hey! A PC guy who actually did the homework!

[David Boyes]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/14/brief_history_of_virtualisation_part_2/

Somebody who actually gets it that there was a world before the PC. Few minor 
nits, but overall an actually decent article on the role VM played in 
prefiguring  virtualization before VMWare.  Recommended reading for the glossy 
magazine set. 

-- dB

Re: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

[Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)]

Thanks guys. That is what I thought but just wanted to be sure.

Thank You,

Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin
CMS - CITIC
3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
Engineering Computing
Mainframe Support
Cell - 443 632-4191


From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of David Boyes
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:14 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

On the 196 we have access to, we're running Centos 4.4 through 4.8 guests, 
which is pretty much functionally equivalent, so I think as long as you're not 
running them in LPARs, you should be fine.

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:07 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

Hi

Resending this not sure if it got out!

Thank You,

Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin
CMS - CITIC
3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
Engineering Computing
Mainframe Support
Cell - 443 632-4191


From: Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:35 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

Hi

I know this was a topic not too long ago so sorry if I am redundant but I just 
want to be sure of something, and that is, can I run RHEL 4.6 under z/VM 5.4 on 
a z196? We have about 5 guests that we need to convert to RHEL 5 but the 
application folks will not have time to convert all of the RHEL 4.6 guests in 
time for the z196.

Thanks for the help it is much appreciated!



Thank You,

Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin
CMS - CITIC
3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
Engineering Computing
Mainframe Support
Cell - 443 632-4191

Re: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

[David Boyes]

On the 196 we have access to, we're running Centos 4.4 through 4.8 guests, 
which is pretty much functionally equivalent, so I think as long as you're not 
running them in LPARs, you should be fine.

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:07 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

Hi

Resending this not sure if it got out!

Thank You,

Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin
CMS - CITIC
3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
Engineering Computing
Mainframe Support
Cell - 443 632-4191


From: Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:35 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

Hi

I know this was a topic not too long ago so sorry if I am redundant but I just 
want to be sure of something, and that is, can I run RHEL 4.6 under z/VM 5.4 on 
a z196? We have about 5 guests that we need to convert to RHEL 5 but the 
application folks will not have time to convert all of the RHEL 4.6 guests in 
time for the z196.

Thanks for the help it is much appreciated!



Thank You,

Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin
CMS - CITIC
3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
Engineering Computing
Mainframe Support
Cell - 443 632-4191

Re: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

[Daniel Bewley]

Hi Terry,

Not your exact situation, but another data point for you to compare to: we
have a z196 running z/VM 6.1 hosting a guest running Red Hat 4.1.2-14
without issue.  Hope someone else can provide a more direct comparison for
you.

-Daniel Bewley



On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) <
terry.mar...@cms.hhs.gov> wrote:

> Hi 
>
> ** **
>
> Resending this not sure if it got out!
>
> ** **
>
> *Thank You,*
>
> * *
>
> *Terry Martin*
>
> *Lockheed Martin*
>
> *CMS - CITIC*
>
> *3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
> **Engineering Computing*
>
> *Mainframe Support*
>
> *Cell - 443 632-4191*
>
> * *
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:35 PM
> *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> *Subject:* Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4
>
> ** **
>
> Hi
>
> ** **
>
> I know this was a topic not too long ago so sorry if I am redundant but I
> just want to be sure of something, and that is, can I run RHEL 4.6 under
> z/VM 5.4 on a z196? We have about 5 guests that we need to convert to RHEL 5
> but the application folks will not have time to convert all of the RHEL 4.6
> guests in time for the z196. 
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for the help it is much appreciated!  
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *Thank You,*
>
> * *
>
> *Terry Martin*
>
> *Lockheed Martin*
>
> *CMS - CITIC*
>
> *3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
> Engineering Computing*
>
> *Mainframe Support*
>
> *Cell - 443 632-4191*
>
> * *
>
> ** **
>

Re: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

[Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)]

Hi

Resending this not sure if it got out!

Thank You,

Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin
CMS - CITIC
3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
Engineering Computing
Mainframe Support
Cell - 443 632-4191


From: Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:35 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Running RHEL 4.6 guests on z196 under z/VM 5.4

Hi

I know this was a topic not too long ago so sorry if I am redundant but I just 
want to be sure of something, and that is, can I run RHEL 4.6 under z/VM 5.4 on 
a z196? We have about 5 guests that we need to convert to RHEL 5 but the 
application folks will not have time to convert all of the RHEL 4.6 guests in 
time for the z196.

Thanks for the help it is much appreciated!



Thank You,

Terry Martin
Lockheed Martin
CMS - CITIC
3300 Lord Baltimore Drive, Suite 200, 21244
Engineering Computing
Mainframe Support
Cell - 443 632-4191

Re: TPF and PAX numbers

[Tony Thigpen]

Many years ago I was working for a company acquired by CA. Once we were 
assigned our new user ids they soon became nicknames for many. Some were 
funny. One poor guy was BRIDE. I became THITO. Anyway, one person was 
automatically assigned a 'non-standard' name because his 'standard' 
userid was offensive. I can't remember the exact way they generated the id.



Tony Thigpen

-Original Message -
 From: Phil Smith III
 Sent: 07/14/2011 08:25 AM

Rob van der Heij wrote:

I recall someone telling at SHARE that the list of "forbidden" 6-char
PNRs was extended on a regular basis, and that these changes made good
conversation at lunch to determine who would find them offensive for
what reason... ;-)



In NL there were similar concerns when our car license plate scheme
went to 00-XXX-0 (for the curious foreigners, some English 4-letter
words take just 3 in Dutch). For starters, we dropped the vowels. Then
dropped the offensive words that look like someone just dropped the
vowels out of it. And dropped the abbreviations for offensive sayings,
and company names, etc...  No surprise we run out of this name space
pretty quick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_Netherlands

I've seen at least one Virginia tag that shouldn't have passed muster (won't
share it on the list). And I've always wondered about CA PMFIDs, which are
the first 3 letters of your last name/first 2 of your first name/2-digit
number. What would they do if your name was Kyle Fuchs? Or Tyrone Shiplett?

...phsiii

Re: Ancient documentation - DRET

[Tony Thigpen]

If it's VSE, you need to post on the VSE list. (I am on the VSE list and 
don't remember seeing you asking there.)


Tony Thigpen

-Original Message -
 From: Shimon Lebowitz
 Sent: 07/14/2011 10:14 AM

Thank you for trying...

DRET (or maybe D.R.E.T.) is some ancient VSE program product (or maybe one
of those PRPQ or whatever thingys). It sort of reminds me of linux 'dd' -
take any input, move it to any output, with any of a gazillion assorted
manipulations/mangles along the way.

Without a manual, there is very little chance of getting correct syntax.

Thanks!
Shimon


On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Bill Munson mailto:william.mun...@bbh.com>> wrote:

sorta like 3 years ago when I was searching for DTR$WAIT

5748-MS1(C)COPR IBMCORP1979,1982 LICENSEDMATERIAL-PROGRAM PROPERTY
  OF IBM

and its corresponding Wakeup Parms file

*  THIS IS THE DEFAULT 'WAKEUP PARMS' FILE THAT IS SUPPLIED WITH
   *
*  THE VM/370 IPO/E SYSTEM FOR THE VIRTUAL MACHINE 'VMUTIL'.
   *

munson
201-418-7588





From: Mike Walter mailto:mike.wal...@aonhewitt.com>>
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 
Date: 07/13/2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Ancient documentation - DRET
Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU>>




I had the same question.. what’s DRET?  It took a but of Googling,
and that turned up:
http://www.ibm.st/ibm/vse/136294
which showed:
  ** 5798-DBC COPYRIGHT IBM CORP. 1979 LICENSED MATERIAL –
PROGRAM PROPERTY OF IBM **
  DRET GENERAL PURPOSE UTILITY * U289TBL

More searches for 5798-DBC didn’t turn on anything useful in the
limited time I had remaining.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.



*From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Shedlock, George*
Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:20 AM*
To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *
Subject:* Re: Ancient documentation - DRET

Shimon,
Some of us old packrats have a lot of manuals and other assorted
items. DRET is not a term I am familiar with. It is apparently an
acronym for something. Perhaps if we (I) knew, it might ring some
bells on a possible location of that manual you are looking for.

/George Shedlock Jr/
/AEGON Information Technology/
/AEGON USA/
/502-560-3541/
*From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Shimon Lebowitz*
Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:42 AM*
To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *
Subject:* Ancient documentation - DRET

Hi,
We (mainframe sysprogs) have been forced to relocate our
offices several times over the last couple of years, and just
discovered that we seem to have lost something.

Does anyone out there know if it is possible today to get
a DRET manual? We still have and use DRET in many VSE
job streams, but if you have ever seen it, you know we NEED
that manual. ;-)

If you don't know what I am talking about - thanks anyway.

Thanks for any advice,
Shimon

Re: Ancient documentation - DRET

[Shimon Lebowitz]

Thank you for trying...

DRET (or maybe D.R.E.T.) is some ancient VSE program product (or maybe one
of those PRPQ or whatever thingys). It sort of reminds me of linux 'dd' -
take any input, move it to any output, with any of a gazillion assorted
manipulations/mangles along the way.

Without a manual, there is very little chance of getting correct syntax.

Thanks!
Shimon


On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Bill Munson  wrote:

> sorta like 3 years ago when I was searching for DTR$WAIT
>
> 5748-MS1(C)COPR IBMCORP1979,1982 LICENSEDMATERIAL-PROGRAM PROPERTY  OF IBM
>
> and its corresponding Wakeup Parms file
>
> *  THIS IS THE DEFAULT 'WAKEUP PARMS' FILE THAT IS SUPPLIED WITH   *
> *  THE VM/370 IPO/E SYSTEM FOR THE VIRTUAL MACHINE 'VMUTIL'.   *
>
> munson
> 201-418-7588
>
>
>
>
>
> From:Mike Walter 
> To:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Date:07/13/2011 12:01 PM
> Subject:Re: Ancient documentation - DRET
> Sent by:The IBM z/VM Operating System 
> --
>
>
>
> I had the same question.. what’s DRET?  It took a but of Googling, and that
> turned up:
>  http://www.ibm.st/ibm/vse/136294
> which showed:
>  ** 5798-DBC COPYRIGHT IBM CORP. 1979 LICENSED MATERIAL – PROGRAM
> PROPERTY OF IBM **
>  DRET GENERAL PURPOSE UTILITY * U289TBL
>
> More searches for 5798-DBC didn’t turn on anything useful in the limited
> time I had remaining.
>
> Mike Walter
> Aon Corporation
> The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.
>
>
>
> *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System 
> [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU]
> *On Behalf Of *Shedlock, George*
> Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:20 AM*
> To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU*
> Subject:* Re: Ancient documentation - DRET
>
> Shimon,
> Some of us old packrats have a lot of manuals and other assorted items.
> DRET is not a term I am familiar with. It is apparently an acronym for
> something. Perhaps if we (I) knew, it might ring some bells on a possible
> location of that manual you are looking for.
>
> *George Shedlock Jr*
> *AEGON Information Technology*
> *AEGON USA*
> *502-560-3541*
> *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System 
> [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU]
> *On Behalf Of *Shimon Lebowitz*
> Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:42 AM*
> To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU*
> Subject:* Ancient documentation - DRET
>
> Hi,
> We (mainframe sysprogs) have been forced to relocate our
> offices several times over the last couple of years, and just
> discovered that we seem to have lost something.
>
> Does anyone out there know if it is possible today to get
> a DRET manual? We still have and use DRET in many VSE
> job streams, but if you have ever seen it, you know we NEED
> that manual. ;-)
>
> If you don't know what I am talking about - thanks anyway.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Shimon
>

Re: TPF and PAX numbers

[Phil Smith III]

Rob van der Heij wrote:
>I recall someone telling at SHARE that the list of "forbidden" 6-char
>PNRs was extended on a regular basis, and that these changes made good
>conversation at lunch to determine who would find them offensive for
>what reason... ;-)

>In NL there were similar concerns when our car license plate scheme
>went to 00-XXX-0 (for the curious foreigners, some English 4-letter
>words take just 3 in Dutch). For starters, we dropped the vowels. Then
>dropped the offensive words that look like someone just dropped the
>vowels out of it. And dropped the abbreviations for offensive sayings,
>and company names, etc...  No surprise we run out of this name space
>pretty quick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_Netherlands

I've seen at least one Virginia tag that shouldn't have passed muster (won't
share it on the list). And I've always wondered about CA PMFIDs, which are
the first 3 letters of your last name/first 2 of your first name/2-digit
number. What would they do if your name was Kyle Fuchs? Or Tyrone Shiplett?

...phsiii