Re: Backing Off an RSU
Sure. Easy for you to say. Just not to say it in one breath. :-) Mike Walter Hewitt Associates - Original Message - From: "Alan Altmark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/29/2008 09:23 PM AST To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Backing Off an RSU On Monday, 09/29/2008 at 07:32 EDT, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That begs the question, doesn't this qualify as a usage; not defect? "Hello? Support Center? Yes, I'd like to report that there is nothing in the Guide to Automated Installation and Service on the subject of removing service that I've applied using the procedures described therein. No references to "remove" or "uninstall" in the index. Yes. No. No. Yes. No, nothing. Yes, the word "remove" appears in the book, but not in this context. I think the book that tells you the preferred way to apply service should include a reference to the book (and section of said book) that DOES describe how to remove service. Since that information isn't there, what book should I look in to find out? Or if it's actually in this book, where is it hiding?" Sounds like a documentation defect to me. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Backing Off an RSU
Sneaky, sneaky... -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 Alan Altmark wrote: On Monday, 09/29/2008 at 07:32 EDT, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That begs the question, doesn't this qualify as a usage; not defect? "Hello? Support Center? Yes, I'd like to report that there is nothing in the Guide to Automated Installation and Service on the subject of removing service that I've applied using the procedures described therein. No references to "remove" or "uninstall" in the index. Yes. No. No. Yes. No, nothing. Yes, the word "remove" appears in the book, but not in this context. I think the book that tells you the preferred way to apply service should include a reference to the book (and section of said book) that DOES describe how to remove service. Since that information isn't there, what book should I look in to find out? Or if it's actually in this book, where is it hiding?" Sounds like a documentation defect to me. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Backing Off an RSU
On Monday, 09/29/2008 at 07:32 EDT, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That begs the question, doesn't this qualify as a usage; not defect? "Hello? Support Center? Yes, I'd like to report that there is nothing in the Guide to Automated Installation and Service on the subject of removing service that I've applied using the procedures described therein. No references to "remove" or "uninstall" in the index. Yes. No. No. Yes. No, nothing. Yes, the word "remove" appears in the book, but not in this context. I think the book that tells you the preferred way to apply service should include a reference to the book (and section of said book) that DOES describe how to remove service. Since that information isn't there, what book should I look in to find out? Or if it's actually in this book, where is it hiding?" Sounds like a documentation defect to me. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Backing Off an RSU
That begs the question, doesn't this qualify as a usage; not defect? -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 Alan Altmark wrote: On Monday, 09/29/2008 at 02:35 EDT, Michael Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, restore from backup was the first thing I thought of - but I'll have to give up some work I've completed since the last backup (no big deal, I can redo it easy enough). It just seemed like SOMEWHERE in the giant world of SES there might be a relatively easy way of saying "remove all service" and let the system revert back to it's "base" state (prior to any RSU/COR applications). I'll start scanning my backup tapes :( Before resorting to backups, I would suggest talking to the Support Center and asking how to do it. If anyone knows the One True Answer, it is the z/VM Installation and Service team. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Backing Off an RSU
Thanks for the suggestions guys (I'll have to re-read VMFREM in case I can use it in the future). I was able to restore the system exactly the way I wanted it by selectively restoring extents from my DDR backup tapes, worked great. I'll do a "level set" backup after checking a few things before embarking on the work that caused this bit of a mess so worst case I can always fall back to the level set. :) I think I'll start taking daily backups on this system in development too "just in case". :) -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:20 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Backing Off an RSU Alan makes a good point - call IBM support if you are unsure how to proceed. There are documented ways to back off service with VMSES/E and they work well. This assumes you have not deviated from the standard Install and Service of course. Check out VMFREM. This handy utility will allow you to back-off full service levels. Fortunately if you did the RSU install using SERVICE, then it did good hygiene and did a merge of the apply disks which makes VMFREM work well. You will have to do VMFREM for each component, but that should not be too difficult. Do a HELP VMSES VMFREM or look in the VMSES manual for help/details about that command. Once you are done removing service with VMFREM, you will need to run the VMFBLD process (again) to built the "new" parts (ones w/o service applied to them). I hope that helps get you started. Jim Vincent On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday, 09/29/2008 at 02:35 EDT, Michael Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, restore from backup was the first thing I thought of - but I'll have to > give up some work I've completed since the last backup (no big deal, I can > redo it easy enough). It just seemed like SOMEWHERE in the giant world of SES > there might be a relatively easy way of saying "remove all service" and let > the system revert back to it's "base" state (prior to any RSU/COR > applications). > > I'll start scanning my backup tapes :( Before resorting to backups, I would suggest talking to the Support Center and asking how to do it. If anyone knows the One True Answer, it is the z/VM Installation and Service team. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Backing Off an RSU
Alan makes a good point - call IBM support if you are unsure how to proceed. There are documented ways to back off service with VMSES/E and they work well. This assumes you have not deviated from the standard Install and Service of course. Check out VMFREM. This handy utility will allow you to back-off full service levels. Fortunately if you did the RSU install using SERVICE, then it did good hygiene and did a merge of the apply disks which makes VMFREM work well. You will have to do VMFREM for each component, but that should not be too difficult. Do a HELP VMSES VMFREM or look in the VMSES manual for help/details about that command. Once you are done removing service with VMFREM, you will need to run the VMFBLD process (again) to built the "new" parts (ones w/o service applied to them). I hope that helps get you started. Jim Vincent On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Monday, 09/29/2008 at 02:35 EDT, Michael Coffin > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah, restore from backup was the first thing I thought of - but I'll > have to > > give up some work I've completed since the last backup (no big deal, I > can > > redo it easy enough). It just seemed like SOMEWHERE in the giant world > of SES > > there might be a relatively easy way of saying "remove all service" and > let > > the system revert back to it's "base" state (prior to any RSU/COR > > applications). > > > > I'll start scanning my backup tapes :( > > Before resorting to backups, I would suggest talking to the Support Center > and asking how to do it. If anyone knows the One True Answer, it is the > z/VM Installation and Service team. > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott >
Re: Backing Off an RSU
On Monday, 09/29/2008 at 02:35 EDT, Michael Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, restore from backup was the first thing I thought of - but I'll have to > give up some work I've completed since the last backup (no big deal, I can > redo it easy enough). It just seemed like SOMEWHERE in the giant world of SES > there might be a relatively easy way of saying "remove all service" and let > the system revert back to it's "base" state (prior to any RSU/COR > applications). > > I'll start scanning my backup tapes :( Before resorting to backups, I would suggest talking to the Support Center and asking how to do it. If anyone knows the One True Answer, it is the z/VM Installation and Service team. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Backing Off an RSU
well service removal is never easy or automated. If this was a bunch of COR
service it is easier to remove but never fun.
Since RSU service is pre-built going to backup is probably the cleanest way out
of it.
I don't suggest this but you could try:
for every serviced component:
1. removing top level apply disk
2. rebuild every object in every loadlist with VMFBLD . ( ALL
It is ugly and gross so don't bother
David
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Michael Coffin
Sent: Mon 9/29/2008 2:35 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Backing Off an RSU
Thanks guys.
Yeah, restore from backup was the first thing I thought of - but I'll have to
give up some work I've completed since the last backup (no big deal, I can redo
it easy enough). It just seemed like SOMEWHERE in the giant world of SES there
might be a relatively easy way of saying "remove all service" and let the
system revert back to it's "base" state (prior to any RSU/COR applications).
I'll start scanning my backup tapes :(
-Mike
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of David Kreuter
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:22 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Backing Off an RSU
ouch. As Rich said, you likely need a good backup. The RSU is
pre-applied and pre-built so all of the SES/E disks for each component are
touched with patches, control structures, and built objects. I was thinking of
advising to remove the top level apply, and run VMFAPPLY and a VMFBLD (
ALL but alas I do not think it will give desirable results.
David
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Rich Smrcina
Sent: Mon 9/29/2008 2:21 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Backing Off an RSU
Do you have a backup?
--
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WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
Michael Coffin wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Is it possible to completely back off an RSU once it has been applied
> and put into production? I basically just want to put my system
> (zVM5.4) back into it's pre-RSU state and "re-do" the RSU in it's
> entirety, can I just wipe all the various APPLY, MERGE, etc. etc.
disks
> so I can start over "clean" with the SERVICE EXEC?
>
> -Mike
Re: Backing Off an RSU
Thanks guys. Yeah, restore from backup was the first thing I thought of - but I'll have to give up some work I've completed since the last backup (no big deal, I can redo it easy enough). It just seemed like SOMEWHERE in the giant world of SES there might be a relatively easy way of saying "remove all service" and let the system revert back to it's "base" state (prior to any RSU/COR applications). I'll start scanning my backup tapes :( -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:22 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Backing Off an RSU ouch. As Rich said, you likely need a good backup. The RSU is pre-applied and pre-built so all of the SES/E disks for each component are touched with patches, control structures, and built objects. I was thinking of advising to remove the top level apply, and run VMFAPPLY and a VMFBLD ( ALL but alas I do not think it will give desirable results. David _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Rich Smrcina Sent: Mon 9/29/2008 2:21 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Backing Off an RSU Do you have a backup? -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 Michael Coffin wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Is it possible to completely back off an RSU once it has been applied > and put into production? I basically just want to put my system > (zVM5.4) back into it's pre-RSU state and "re-do" the RSU in it's > entirety, can I just wipe all the various APPLY, MERGE, etc. etc. disks > so I can start over "clean" with the SERVICE EXEC? > > -Mike
Re: Backing Off an RSU
ouch. As Rich said, you likely need a good backup. The RSU is pre-applied and pre-built so all of the SES/E disks for each component are touched with patches, control structures, and built objects. I was thinking of advising to remove the top level apply, and run VMFAPPLY and a VMFBLD ( ALL but alas I do not think it will give desirable results. David From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Rich Smrcina Sent: Mon 9/29/2008 2:21 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Backing Off an RSU Do you have a backup? -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 Michael Coffin wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Is it possible to completely back off an RSU once it has been applied > and put into production? I basically just want to put my system > (zVM5.4) back into it's pre-RSU state and "re-do" the RSU in it's > entirety, can I just wipe all the various APPLY, MERGE, etc. etc. disks > so I can start over "clean" with the SERVICE EXEC? > > -Mike
Re: Backing Off an RSU
Do you have a backup? -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 Michael Coffin wrote: Hi Folks, Is it possible to completely back off an RSU once it has been applied and put into production? I basically just want to put my system (zVM5.4) back into it's pre-RSU state and "re-do" the RSU in it's entirety, can I just wipe all the various APPLY, MERGE, etc. etc. disks so I can start over "clean" with the SERVICE EXEC? -Mike
