Viewing the OPERATOR Console
What is the best way to view the OPERATOR console without being logged on to OPERATOR. My z/VM is IPLed 1000 miles away and it would be helpful to see what is coming out on the OPERATOR console with spooling it closed. z/OS SDSF has a nice LOG facility. Is there anything comparable in z/VM? Maybe SECUSER?
Re: Viewing the OPERATOR Console
CA VM:Operator. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of George Henke/NYLIC Sent: November 17, 2010 10:30 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Viewing the OPERATOR Console What is the best way to view the OPERATOR console without being logged on to OPERATOR. My z/VM is IPLed 1000 miles away and it would be helpful to see what is coming out on the OPERATOR console with spooling it closed. z/OS SDSF has a nice LOG facility. Is there anything comparable in z/VM? Maybe SECUSER? The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: Viewing the OPERATOR Console
Surely, someone has some nice REXX EXEC with PIPE commands that will do the same. peter.w...@ttc.ca Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/17/2010 10:32 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Viewing the OPERATOR Console CA VM:Operator. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of George Henke/NYLIC Sent: November 17, 2010 10:30 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Viewing the OPERATOR Console What is the best way to view the OPERATOR console without being logged on to OPERATOR. My z/VM is IPLed 1000 miles away and it would be helpful to see what is coming out on the OPERATOR console with spooling it closed. z/OS SDSF has a nice LOG facility. Is there anything comparable in z/VM? Maybe SECUSER? The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: Viewing the OPERATOR Console
A number of options. CA VM:Operator is the best option SET OBSERVER can help. If OPERATOR is disconnected then SET SECUSER allows commands in and to see the output - but it does alter the way that some things work. CA VM:Spool will allow you to look at the spooled console without closing it Or you could simply take over the OPERATOR with a LOGON OPERATOR HERE Really depends on your setup and situation Colin Allinson VM Systems Support Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
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Other alternatives... While I really like CA' VM:Operator product, IBM has their own Operations Manager for z/VM product number: 5697-J10 See the announcement letter at: http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=897letternum=ENUS210-274#h2-ordinfx (watch for URL wrap) Also, better than CP SET SECUSER for observing is the command: CP SET OBSERVER SECUSER permits command entry and has (had?) some very odd effects on how/when messages are displayed. There are posts related to those effects available for viewing in the listserve archives. You do know about the very easily searchable listserve archive, right? See: http://listserv.uark.edu/archives/ibmvm.html It's a treasure trove of previous posts and replies -- available 24x7! IIRC, the message display effects had something to do with the initial message target being disconnected, and then the SECUSER getting disconnected. Better to avoid the problem altogether. CP SET OBSERVER does not permit command entry (of its own accord), but lets you see the messages without (to my knowledge) affecting when the messages are displayed. Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Mike Walter peter.w...@ttc.ca Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 11/17/2010 09:31 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Viewing the OPERATOR Console CA VM:Operator. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of George Henke/NYLIC Sent: November 17, 2010 10:30 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Viewing the OPERATOR Console What is the best way to view the OPERATOR console without being logged on to OPERATOR. My z/VM is IPLed 1000 miles away and it would be helpful to see what is coming out on the OPERATOR console with spooling it closed. z/OS SDSF has a nice LOG facility. Is there anything comparable in z/VM? Maybe SECUSER? The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Viewing the OPERATOR Console
The real OPERATOR is PROP'ed and the log's are on it's 191 disk (simply LINK, ACCESS and XEDIT) Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of George Henke/NYLIC Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:30 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Viewing the OPERATOR Console What is the best way to view the OPERATOR console without being logged on to OPERATOR. My z/VM is IPLed 1000 miles away and it would be helpful to see what is coming out on the OPERATOR console with spooling it closed. z/OS SDSF has a nice LOG facility. Is there anything comparable in z/VM? Maybe SECUSER? _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
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George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Surely, someone has some nice REXX EXEC with PIPE commands that will do the same. I think it would take more than a simple pipe to perform the same task as VM:Operator but it may be possible to perform the functions that are essential to you with own code. First, you would need to run some sort of shell in operator (could be PIPE or PROP based) and you would have to decide how you want yo make the console output available. I have certainly written pipe based shadow operators (in our case - for the purpose of driving external automation) where console lines are displayed and commands fed back in. Really - if you want this level of sophistication - it all depends on what sort of shell you are running in operator and how you plan to communicate with it. the rest is easy. Colin Allinson VM Systems Support Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
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Hi, The cheaper solution: If PROP was started, the command M OP GET LOG sends you the entire console since Prop was activated. Your userid must be previously authorized into PROP RTABLE. I close the console daily, processing the Midnight MSG (HCP6001I), so my console is at daily basis, from midnight to when command was invocated. __ Clovis From: George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 17/11/2010 13:30 Subject: Viewing the OPERATOR Console Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU What is the best way to view the OPERATOR console without being logged on to OPERATOR. My z/VM is IPLed 1000 miles away and it would be helpful to see what is coming out on the OPERATOR console with spooling it closed. z/OS SDSF has a nice LOG facility. Is there anything comparable in z/VM? Maybe SECUSER?
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On Wednesday, 11/17/2010 at 10:51 EST, Colin Allinson cgallin...@amadeus.com wrote: I think it would take more than a simple pipe to perform the same task as VM:Operator but it may be possible to perform the functions that are essential to you with own code. And while purchasing automation software may feel like a waste of money to some, that feeling eventually wears off when you begin to spend money to enhance and support what you've written yourself. (And don't forget the training for internals All automation tends towards: - Automated response - Authorization Audit - Alerting (SMTP, SNMP, vendor-specific...) - Console logging - Log management (compress, archive, discard) - Timed operations - Historical and real-time console access - Record and Playback I remember my first print-a-file project. It grew to about 4500 lines in a few short years. It's now more than 30 years old (I still use it) and I have trouble updating it. I've forgotten much about the program's structure and operation, and I would have difficulty training my deputy on its maintenance. There is no magic to automation. It's just a combination of technology (on z/VM's part) and innovation (on your part). The question is whether your company pays you to do it or it pays (e.g.) IBM or CA. The same applies to directory management. As we move to the New World Order of Single System Image, many of the home-grown directory management tools will need to be re-engineered to handle significant changes in directory syntax and to deal with directory synchronization. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
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Some (all?) of the vendor products will undoubtedly have the same problem. Whenever you are playing Calvin-ball, you have to be adaptable. Regards, Richard Schuh The same applies to directory management. As we move to the New World Order of Single System Image, many of the home-grown directory management tools will need to be re-engineered to handle significant changes in directory syntax and to deal with directory synchronization. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
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Perfkit also works pretty well for that. Run PERFKIT in the OPERATOR id with no data collection, and then use the APPC interface (or the WWW client if you want). As Peter said, if you can afford VM:Operator it’s also wonderful for this.
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On Wednesday, 11/17/2010 at 12:05 EST, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com wrote: Some (all?) of the vendor products will undoubtedly have the same problem. Whenever you are playing Calvin-ball, you have to be adaptable. Well, sure, except that those issues should be addressed by the vendor prior to product availability. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
