Re: z/VM 5.2 ESAMON vs IBM PTK regarding SYTSHS_RSASHARE monitor record

2006-12-21 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 12/21/2006 at 06:35 EST, Gregg Reed 
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 I'd second that. The PTK is great at what it does and while I was doing 
an
 extensive comparison a year ago, it's where I'd point operators and RTM
 familiar folk to, it is a huge upgrade to RTM, but it takes an FMR/not
 working as designed to do anything about.

If you believe or even suspect that Performance Toolkit is giving you 
useless or incorrect information, please contact the Support Center. While 
measuring tape speed in furlongs per fortnight might be accurate, it's 
not exactly useful in most situations.  It may be there's a good reason 
for changing the metric.  As my world-famous colleague says, It depends.

But as Barton said, make your decision about performance products (e.g. 
ESAMON, OMEGAMON, PTK, homegrown) based on your company's goals and needs, 
not on the values of any particular field on any particular report.

But, whatever you choose, CHOOSE!  If all you want to do is kick the 
tires, a speedometer, tachometer, odometer, fuel gauge, oil pressure 
gauge, and thermometer aren't really important.  However, if you're going 
to take her out on the Autobahn and redline it, you gotta have 'em. 
(Otherwise how would you know you're redlining it?  Remember, the CPU 
doesn't make noise as you rev it up.)

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: z/VM 5.2 ESAMON vs IBM PTK regarding SYTSHS_RSASHARE monitor record

2006-12-21 Thread David Boyes
 However, if you're going
 to take her out on the Autobahn and redline it, you gotta have 'em.
 (Otherwise how would you know you're redlining it?  Remember, the CPU
 doesn't make noise as you rev it up.)

Requirement! Requirement!

(Find some of those Sequent guys you bought up. *They* do blinkenlights
right. )


Re: z/VM 5.2 ESAMON vs IBM PTK regarding SYTSHS_RSASHARE monitor record

2006-12-21 Thread Gregg Reed
I concur and indeed I left info w/support how I believed a CPC with
dedicated and shared resources should be displayed. my rational, so be it.
I don't think its universally accepted and I'm not about making it so.  I
coded my own macro to represent what I think PR/SM and Redbooks describe,
across CPCs  w/ active and de-act'd LPs and my TPF fellows are
beginning to see it too.  I agree, 100%, CHOOSE, track, measure or
sacrifice chickens when the moon is full no, i  don't think so. There
is no such nonsense on the autobahn, on the other hand, i;ve never driven
there but I'd like to,  I'd like to measure it...
Gregg
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On Thursday, 12/21/2006 at 06:35 EST, Gregg Reed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd second that. The PTK is great at what it does and while I was doing
an
 extensive comparison a year ago, it's where I'd point operators and RTM
 familiar folk to, it is a huge upgrade to RTM, but it takes an FMR/not
 working as designed to do anything about.

If you believe or even suspect that Performance Toolkit is giving you
useless or incorrect information, please contact the Support Center. While
measuring tape speed in furlongs per fortnight might be accurate, it's
not exactly useful in most situations.  It may be there's a good reason
for changing the metric.  As my world-famous colleague says, It depends.

But as Barton said, make your decision about performance products (e.g.
ESAMON, OMEGAMON, PTK, homegrown) based on your company's goals and needs,
not on the values of any particular field on any particular report.

But, whatever you choose, CHOOSE!  If all you want to do is kick the
tires, a speedometer, tachometer, odometer, fuel gauge, oil pressure
gauge, and thermometer aren't really important.  However, if you're going
to take her out on the Autobahn and redline it, you gotta have 'em.
(Otherwise how would you know you're redlining it?  Remember, the CPU
doesn't make noise as you rev it up.)

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicottt
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z/VM 5.2 ESAMON vs IBM PTK regarding SYTSHS_RSASHARE monitor record

2006-12-20 Thread Craig Sutton

Hello,
   I've been comparing the Velocity ESAMON and IBM Performance Toolkit
products on z/VM 5.2, and have noticed that they disagree on the value of
the SYTSHS_RSASHARE monitor record. According to the IBM doc, the
SYTSHS_RSASHARE monitor record represents Cardinal count of resident shared
frames. When I extract the MRSYTSHS monitor record from ESAMON, I get:

SYTSHS_RSACTSHR=6300.0
SYTSHS_RSASHARE=9400.0

When I extract the MRSYTSHS monitor record through PTK, I get:

SYTSHS_RSACTSHR=6300
SYTSHS_RSASHARE=2409384

which corresponds to the 'Shared storage' value reported in PTK STORAGE.
Does anyone know which one's correct?

Thanks, Craig