Re: [IceHorses] Comments on Gait Videos
>>>That horse in the second one > is gaiting like a dream, and in the first, what the heck bit is she > talking about? Even if it was severe mechanically, the horse is being > ridden on a totally slack rein... so lets get thsi straight--- if a > horse is being ridden in a little teeny greyhound narrow saddle > pinching the dickens out of him and a tight noseband and making him > ventroflex to gait, then THATS better than a saddle with a horn?? >>>My comments: great videos, great education, as for the comments: ignorant, rude, and bitchy. Keep up the good work, Judy! >>>The second video appears to be a nice running walk (something Europeans likely haven't heard much of) and the first...? Looks like simply a fast walk--doesn't even look like a flatwalk to me, as the rider is moving so much in the saddle.<<< Thanks for your input, gals! The video of the dark horse with the western saddle is a fox trot; the lighter brown horse is doing a stepping pace. I'm not so concerned with the comments from the young girls from Slovenia. Looking back, we heard the same things from Icelandic owners here, up to a few years ago. Most have progressed along with us. When reading these messages, it seemed like voices from the past! They don't have the opportunity of experience and knowledge of gaited horses that we have here. They have a limited view of how and what a gaited horse is supposed to do; and what is *normal*. Gaits are "warp" speed, not slow and controlled. You *have* to have the special saddle; you *have* to have the shoes and boots; you *have* to have the icelandic trainer; you *have* to fit the picture or you're not right. "We all see 'correct' in some context of what we are used to.~~Elaine Elmer" We have been able to raise the level of knowledge of the Icelandic Horse owners in North America. They will just have to catch up to us at some point! We're doing good! Kudos to all who are taking the training of their horses into their own hands, who are studying gaits, conformation, anatomy, and using this information in breeding. We are setting the pace for the world! Oh, found this really nice picture ... no noseband! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com <>
Re: [IceHorses] What A Picture Says To Us
What the horse does with his mouth can tell us alot about how he is doing, how he likes the bit, if he's unhappy, or stressed, etc. Here are some radiographs (moving pictures!) of the bit inside the horse's mouth: http://iceryder.net/bitradiographs.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
> Frog/balls look a bit dry ... Actually they have wet sand on them making them (apparently) look dry. > Slow growing feet huh? No, I have a horse size emery board in my paddock! :o) > Are you in dry hard soil? (watch you'll say no!, LOL) or super sandy soil? No, we have flood irrigation so there is water in the pasture all summer. It barely gets dry before we flood it again. And the areas where the horses walk through gates become low spots that typically stay wet all the time. Our soil is sandy, so I guess you could say wet sandy soil. :o) Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] Silver dapple black
>>> Oh my gosh. What a beautiful horse. Wow!!! Thanks. He lost a little weight after breeding the mares, but he's getting it back. >>> Am I that old. 48 next week. EEE. I'd like to be 48 again. :) >>> But anyway. He is turning a golden color. Darker. Pictures soon. He's very pretty. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Silver dapple black
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 06:35:24PM -0700, Lorraine Voog wrote: > > Melnir, freshly shed in his summer coat. > > > > Karen Thomas, NC ...and i missed these, due to being at work (where i can't view attachments) when the mail came in. bah. could i get someone to resend, please? the website seems not to cache attachments... thanks for any help, --vicka (who loves to look at beautiful horses :)
Re: [IceHorses] Hocks
On 17/05/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone have a pic of a horse with bone spavin? > > You generally can't see bone spavin - can you? I thought it had to be > diagnosed with x-rays? I had Melnir x-rayed about 2 years ago before I bred > him to my mares the first time, and he was completely negative - the vet > called his hocks "textbook". That's what I want to know. Can you see it? Are there subtle differences in the stance of the horse or the shape of the joint? Just wondering... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] First attempt at braiding
On 5/17/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so I started small. > > Wanda VERY nice Wanda! Looks very even and pretty. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
can't do too much trimming/filing not a whole lot of hoof wall there! nice shape from the bottom though... I'm no expert really so I don't mean to sound like I am... just know my own horses feet really well, LOL! Frog/balls look a bit dry ... Slow growing feet huh? I can't get by without a trim every 5 weeks. Maybe a hoof supplement would build some hoof wall and sole... seems a little low in the pic and might be why the hoof wall is so thin in that too much pressure is happening on that edge?. ..but I never have used those so don't know anything about if they really work. Are you in dry hard soil? (watch you'll say no!, LOL) or super sandy soil? If so, maybe some water puddles (mud puddles in front of the watering troughs) might help some... And if this horse is doing fine, then why try to fix what ain't broke as they say my 2 cents... I really hate saying stuff cuz someone will come back and say well, what about this. and really you do need to see top, side and bottom. "By endurance we conquer" - Ernest Shackleton
Re: [IceHorses] Silver dapple black
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Melnir, freshly shed in his summer coat. > > Karen Thomas, NC Oh my gosh. What a beautiful horse. Wow!!! Scooter is turning a different color. Horse of a different color. LOL. Most people don't get that. Am I that old. 48 next week. EEE. But anyway. He is turning a golden color. Darker. Pictures soon. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
RE: [IceHorses] Hocks
Anyone have a pic of a horse with bone spavin? You generally can't see bone spavin - can you? I thought it had to be diagnosed with x-rays? I had Melnir x-rayed about 2 years ago before I bred him to my mares the first time, and he was completely negative - the vet called his hocks "textbook". Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] First attempt at braiding
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so I started small. > > Wanda I am totally jealous. That is the one I want to do. But it is so freakin hot now that I have to time it right. And the heat makes me lazy. Alright. I said it. But I have the picture of that braid that I probably got from this group. It looks great by the way. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Busy Horse Feed Bag
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's Cookie, with her new feed bag which helps > stretch out her meal. > I just bought one. It is in my trailer. Along with my hat brim. I love that too. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: [IceHorses] Hocks
On 17/05/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why are we looking at hocks? > V With the rate of spavin in Icelandic horses, I think we should occassionally look at good and bad hocks. I think Dagur's are good, but the boney side bones need to be watched. Anyone have a pic of a horse with bone spavin? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Comments on Gait Videos
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=VC0B1h6WKnI > > Gat moves like that--what is it? That is "pacey". The laterals are moving very close together in timing. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Brenna and Kolur think they're goats
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Re: [IceHorses] What breed - chestnut daughter of buckskin
> Both are foundation Saddlebreds, double-registered as American Warmbloods. > I never really cared for Saddlebreds before, but those are two darned nice > mares - and not high-strung at all. gosh, I never would have guessed that! Bia
RE: [IceHorses] Silver dapple black
>>> Beautiful! Is his mane/tail white or cream? It's not exactly either - more silvery-platinum. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Homeopathics
Hi Laree, Here is an article on homeopathy for horses that you might find interesting. http://www.todayshorse.com/Articles/SkinConditionsandHomeopathy.htm If you google "homeopathic for sweet itch" you will find alot of links...many in the UK. Homeopathics are energy/vibrational medicines. It works via the "like cures like" principle. For example, if your eyes were watery from allergies, you would take Allium cepa (onion). Or if you were bitten by an insect, you would take Apis (bee). Homeopathics are diluted to the level that none of the original material is left, just their energetic vibrations. I looked on Energique's website and it seems that their formula is an herbal blend (although I could not find an ingredient list). Herbal medicine is very different from homeopathy. Do you know what antigens are present in their formula? Is it a cullicoides antigen? Antigens stimulate antibody production. Trish
RE: [IceHorses] Inguinal bilateral cryptorchid
>>> what does that mean karen? were they both on one side with an ingual ring that hadn't closed?? No they weren't on one side - just that both were inside the inguinal ring...but thankfully not totally up in the abdomen. In contrast, a unilateral cryptorchid has one in the scrotum, and one inside the inquinal ring or in the abdomen. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Peekaboo
that eitill is a dang comedian! Janice I don't think he's a horse. I don't know what he is, but he doesn't seem like a horse. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Silver dapple black
On 5/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Melnir, freshly shed in his summer coat. Beautiful! Is his mane/tail white or cream? V
Re: [IceHorses] Hocks
On 5/17/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't find the original conversation about this...but here is a pic > of Dagur's hocks. Why are we looking at hocks? V
Re: [IceHorses] Silver dapple black
On 5/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Melnir, freshly shed in his summer coat. > > Karen Thomas, NC > color to-die-for... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] What breed - chestnut daughter of buckskin
alright already...what is she :) Both are foundation Saddlebreds, double-registered as American Warmbloods. I never really cared for Saddlebreds before, but those are two darned nice mares - and not high-strung at all. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] UPDATE: Last Weekend & Pony Hero
Hi All, I just got a email from the grandmother of the little girl that was hurt. The accident happen on May 5th and the reset was on May 11th. Glad she didn't need surgery. "Raven, Marissa's arm was reset on Friday. She is in a long arm cast for 2 weeks then if all is healing well she will graduate to a short arm cast. She was a real trooper, they just administered a nerve block for the resettting. I didn't hear anything about Buddy, so he must be alright. It was so nice of you to take care of the animals for June. On the way home from the park, June hit a deer though,nothing too terrible, a little front end damage. What a day she had!" Man...that family sure had their day filled with excitement! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Mules
I'm jealous, I love mules. I'm still thinking about an Icelandic mule! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Silver dapple black
Oh my. What a gorgeous color! Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Accomodations this weekend
>We stayed at a little B&B (bed and barn) near DuPont Forest, in Pisgah, NC> >this past weekend. The name of the place is The Walk Inn: >http://thewalkinn.com/_wsn/page2.html Looks like Eitill is trying to figure out how he can jump out of that stall with the stall guard! ;) Sue Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] What breed - chestnut daughter of buckskin
alright already...what is she :) "By endurance we conquer" - Earnest Shackleton
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
I think , considering that we don't know the horses history with trims etc... his hooves look good to me... they didn't file the edges which I always do but a nice thick hoof wall... too long toe? maybe but like I said we don't know the horse... not overly long at a glance to me. heel too high/and underslung... not drastically so. The wall is a bit thinner on one side so something is going on but it's not severe from a picture and could just be "this horse" I think the feet look good in general... I like a cleaner sole myself for a picture! LOL!
Re: [IceHorses] Peekaboo
On 5/16/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Karen Thomas, NC > that eitill is a dang comedian! janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] my saddle doesn't fit me :(
On 5/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The act of posting shouldn't be so big - your butt should > just barely leave the saddle, and be more up than forward. > That's how I post but my coach keeps telling me to post stronger! V
RE: [IceHorses] What breed - chestnut daughter of buckskin
>>> is it one of those Marchador horses? They are as wide as quarter horses and carry the 4 beat gaits as well. Never seen any around here but I hear some are in Texas and California. No, they are registered Saddlebreds. I had never seen such stocky, QH-ish Saddlebreds - and they are double registered as American Warmbloods. I'm used to seeing the leggy, swan-necked show Saddlebreds. The owner said the buckskin had never shown any signs of gaitedness, so she's 3-gaited, but the younger mare, the chestnut, seems to have a flat walk, so maybe something else. The buckskin has done a few endurance rides, and has been a broodmare the past couple of years. The chestnut is for sale, as is the liver chestnut roan Arab x App. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Look carefully
>>> Is that one of yours? How cute. Hope he didn't get out. Lorraine He didn't seem to be trying to get out... just a nosy neighbor! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
On 5/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> i will get up and > have to hobble. its pathetic :) I'm like that too. :( V
Re: [IceHorses] Homeopathic / Summer Eczema SE
> How about spirulina to boost the immune system? That is what the Biting Insect Antigen is supposed to do - kind of a broad spectrum immunity to biting insects - most people have used it on dogs but I was think king about for horses - it should work the same. I will look intohte spirulina. Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Homeopathic / Summer Eczema SE
>>>I am supplementing her with > flax seed to make her skin "stronger", spraying her every morning > without fail with Fly Gone 7000, How about spirulina to boost the immune system? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] the icey "look"
On 5/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > icelandics seem to do this thing other horses don't... where they > just stand and stare quizzically, with a mild expression, but just > absolutely unwaveringly. Orri and Gat will look away from me if I look at them too intently, but they will also stare at things. V
Re: [IceHorses] I'm in love
On 5/16/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ManI love this saddle. > > Okay don't point fingers...I know Gusti and I are both a tad > chunky...though Gusti has slimmed down 70 lbs since his last deworming > last fall. > you look wonderful, saddle too, gosh what a great color! I think Kaaren oughta consider an old gold sorta metallic looking chameleon package... You know I am supposed to use those hard stirrup thingies cause I'm heavy but i've never tried them cause I like the adjustable ones so much. I think cause i am so chunky i can position the velcro thingie just right! with my old trekker treeless i always felt so perched and miserable... janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] the icey "look"
icelandics seem to do this thing other horses don't... where they just stand and stare quizzically, with a mild expression, but just absolutely unwaveringly. I used to think Nasi was retarded or something and then began to figure out he was intently scrutinizing whatever he was staring at. When my husband works in the pasture fixing a fence or something nasi stands at his shoulder and just stares motionless at what he's doing the whole time. Then camping with Tivar, I slept about five feet away with the truck window down so I could hear and see if anything went wrong and several times in the nite i would wake and he was right there staring intently. Then as I watched him one time he moved and stared intently at the mare next door and after about two minutes she squealed and kicked at him so horses must not like to be stared at. my other horses, if anything, try to pretend they AREN'T staring, jaspar will even sneak looks and pretend he doesnt care what you do. its just interesting. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Look carefully
On 5/16/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what a naughty horse. is that one of yours? > > That would be my Eitill, a.k.a. Mr. Potato Head, or Tater, or more > recently, simply Tate. then i must have his cousin, tater tot Tivar, cause yesterday my husband left a whole brand new bale of fresh cut hay too close to the fence and Teev musta tried to jump cause the fence was half tore out and he had collapsed it enough to eat half a bale... we had to fix fence til well after dark... janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Inguinal bilateral cryptorchid
what does that mean karen? were they both on one side with an ingual ring that hadn't closed?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Homeopathic
> Is Doppa showing signs this spring? Not yet but I am trying to be proactive - I am supplementing her with flax seed to make her skin "stronger", spraying her every morning without fail with Fly Gone 7000, and I was thinking the Antigen might offer just one more layer of resistance. I am trying to not have to go to the next levels -PJ's and stabling. > -- Laree
RE: [IceHorses] Accomodations this weekend
>>> Did you make it to High Falls and Triple Falls? Yes we did - beautiful! >>> How did your ponies react to the covered bridge? They barely noticed that it was a covered bridge, and didn't hesitate at all. There was a class of what looked to be high school kids on the trail that we met at the bridge, and Eitill was his usual gregarious self when he saw his public waiting for him. He was ready to sign autographs for his fans I think. He's such a ham for a crowd - the more the merrier. He's such a people-horse that I'm not sure he remembers the bridge. >>> Have they opened the trails to Bridal Veil Falls? We didn't make it to that area, so I'm not sure. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] my saddle doesn't fit me :(
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 02:15:57PM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: > Eitill has a very big trot for such a strongly gaited horse, and I have no > problem at all posting in the Sensation Hybrid. After all, a lot of western > riders post the trot in their western saddles these days - most of the NH > post at times. The act of posting shouldn't be so big - your butt should > just barely leave the saddle, and be more up than forward. at his current stage of training, if i don't stay forward and i don't post big, stjarni breaks into tolt. i get the impression his previous owners didn't care for trotting at all, though his is big and beautiful and he offers it freely in the field. after four months of working on it, we can now do figure 8's in the ring and he picks up trot directly from walk when i ask about 90% of the time, but it's still in process. i do hope to someday be able to post less (and even to *sit* his trot!) but currently he only lets me get away with that if he is very distracted, like doing a cones course. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] I'm in love
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ManI love this saddle. > You both look wonderful. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Accomodations this weekend
> Here are some pictures I took of the accommodations > - and of some of the > full-time residents: > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.7cqoeso3&x=0&y=-leaq6q Sounds like a great place and time. I need to start camping. It is too hot here now. Happy Southwestern Trails Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
On 5/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Janiceas much as you ride, if that's the ONLY place you're sore after a > ride, I don't even want to hear about it! My gosh, Cary and I swear > everything hurts since we turned 50! i meant unusually sore :) Gosh I am so stiff after I ride! not right after but like that evening, after lazing around, i will get up and have to hobble. its pathetic :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Peekaboo
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Karen Thomas, NC > Karen, That is so cute. You have such cute babies. Happy Southwestern Trails Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: [IceHorses] Trail training
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's another thing we should all condition our > horses to expect to see. > It was such a wilderness where we went trail riding, > that apparently this > back-packer got attacked - see the monkey on his > back. Our seasoned horses > were not fazed at all though. Good Skjoni, good > Eitill! > How adorable. My first Arab use to be terrified of backpackers on the trail. He got use to it. Happy Southwestern Trails Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: [IceHorses] Look carefully
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's wrong with this picture? Hint: look at the > opening at the top of the > stall, to the right side. The stall wall is at > least 6-feet tall. > > Karen Thomas, NC > > Is that one of yours? How cute. Hope he didn't get out. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433
RE: [IceHorses] Homeopathic
>>> Has anyone tried any homeopathic remedies for SE? Is Doppa showing signs this spring? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Inguinal bilateral cryptorchid
I had the colts gelded today. Isak's was quite easy since he'd been fully equipped since he was about 2 weeks old. She sedated Landi, and still couldn't feel anything - at this point most vets would have stopped. I told her it was ok if she wanted to go ahead with full anesthesia, and see if she could find anything...if not, it was going to mean a trip to the vet school. We put him on the ground, and she still couldn't feel anything, so she had me hold his legs up in the air - finally, she could feel something tiny on one side. She was about to give up, then she found the other one, even smaller. So, she made the incision, and luckily Cary got home about that time, because Landi started trying to get up, obviously needing more drugs. Cary was able to hold him until she could get more into him. It took more searching to find them, but she did - I was sweating bullets until she found both, hoping she hadn't started something she couldn't finish. Anyway, he will probably be very sore, sorer than Landi, and at increased risk of infection. He'll get antibiotics for a week or so, just in case. It was sort of scary to see how quickly Landi went from being completely "out" to struggling to stand. I feel bad for him, but Isak doesn't look any worse for the wear. I'm really glad Cary timed his arrival home so well. She said his condition would be considered bilateral inguinal cryptorchidism. Landi is 11 months old. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 516-3179
Re: [IceHorses] What breed - chestnut daughter of buckskin
On 5/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> she could be peruvian paso if stocky. Janice > > No, she's not a paso, of either flavor. Here's a picture of her 7 y.o. > daughter - the buckskin mare is about 10. > > I was surprised to learn what breed they are - I assumed they were QH's, but > they aren't. > > Karen Thomas, NC > in these pics they look very arabian. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] What breed - chestnut daughter of buckskin
is it one of those Marchador horses? They are as wide as quarter horses and carry the 4 beat gaits as well. Never seen any around here but I hear some are in Texas and California. I think they are from Columbia, South Am. ???Jeannette
Re: [IceHorses] IT'S HERE!!!
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My very own Sensation saddle just arrived today. > Hybernia brown with > black piping. It's intended for Solon but I plan to > test it out on > Gusti first > > Wanda > They are beautiful saddle. Congrats. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: [IceHorses] I Promise
> We got home from a clicker training session, and > Charm had to check out the > trunk of the car to see what was in there. I > thought I heard her chanting > "I know there's treats; I know there's treats..." > > > Judy Charm is so cute. Can't wait to meet her in person. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
RE: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
lately there has been a change in the way I ride, i dont know what, but I have an ache afterward in the middle of my back just below my shoulder blades and after riding all weekend twice a day fri-sun last week I was sore until yesterday. Janiceas much as you ride, if that's the ONLY place you're sore after a ride, I don't even want to hear about it! My gosh, Cary and I swear everything hurts since we turned 50! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] my saddle doesn't fit me :(
>>> i'm concerned about the hybrids, as stjarni's huge trot requires a certain amount of posting, and the huge thing at the pommel is... Eitill has a very big trot for such a strongly gaited horse, and I have no problem at all posting in the Sensation Hybrid. After all, a lot of western riders post the trot in their western saddles these days - most of the NH post at times. The act of posting shouldn't be so big - your butt should just barely leave the saddle, and be more up than forward. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] What breed - buckskin/dun mare
I am probably way off base, but I think she is Arab. Pat G.
RE: [IceHorses] Trail pics from Dupont Forest
>>> Karen, what did you think of riding at Dupont? I still haven't taken my horses there yet. It was just lovely. Most of the trails were great and well-marked, with very good maps available. We took our time and tried to get oriented to all the different parking lots, etc. but we didn't see a fraction of the trails. Difficulty level would be more like Moses Cone than Leatherwood. The main advantage to Moses Cone is that it's at a higher altitude so will be noticeably cooler this summer. We drove up into that Ultimate Ride Campground, and we weren't impressed. I think when we go back, we'll rent the house and get the better accommodations for horses and humans. It was worth it to us. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Homeopathic
Has anyone tried any homeopathic remedies for SE? Energique has a product called Biting Insect Antigen that I am tempted to try. A big drawback is that it needs to be administered at least 3 X's a day - but if it worked, I would make that happen. -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
Thanks for the show of confidence Mary! :o) I would like to see a photo on a solid flat surface with no dirt obscuring the bottom of the hoof. > ...the heels look like they are starting > to become underslung. That was my first impression also. > and not a thing that can be corrected in a trim. Long toes, low (underslung) heels are definitely difficult to turn around. Takes frequent attention, similar to how I would address a foundered horse. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any input on this foot? how does the trim look? OK? or ?? > > > Judy This is in response to the first feet photo.. The angle looks slightly upright, slightly more steep than the natural angle of the pastern...the heels look like they are starting to become underslung.not too bad right now, but something to watch out for, and not a thing that can be corrected in a trim. Hard to tell from a pic, but I see a lot of hooves weekly. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] my saddle doesn't fit me :(
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 11:33:21AM -0600, Robyn Schulze wrote: > > i'm concerned about the hybrids, as stjarni's huge trot requires a > > certain amount of posting, and the huge thing at the pommel is... > > intimidating that way. > > My treed Marciante (which I recently unloaded) was also an endurance > type. My TWH has a stronger trot preference than pace (he gaits too) > and I never had a problem posting, or jumping for that matter. may be a matter of riding styles. i've tried posting him relative vertically, and this makes him bumpier and more inclined to get pacy; he seems to go best with a sort of pelvic thrust to the post --vicka, elvis impersonator
Re: [IceHorses] Comments on Gait Videos
> My comments: great videos, great education, as for > the comments: ignorant, rude, and bitchy +1, esp. agree on the ingnorance factor. The second video appears to be a nice running walk (something Europeans likely haven't heard much of) and the first...? Looks like simply a fast walk--doesn't even look like a flatwalk to me, as the rider is moving so much in the saddle. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] my saddle doesn't fit me :(
> i'm concerned about the hybrids, as stjarni's huge trot requires a > certain amount of posting, and the huge thing at the pommel is... > intimidating that way. My treed Marciante (which I recently unloaded) was also an endurance type. My TWH has a stronger trot preference than pace (he gaits too) and I never had a problem posting, or jumping for that matter. I also used it for the old QH I had, and he had a real ugly, bouncy trot. I don't expect the Sensation will give me any trouble at the trot either. I did try it w/ the TWH and had no problems that one time. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] OT ?? Favorite Books
> > Bruce and I thought we'd be pretty safe if we broke into a library and just > took what we liked. BWAAAH! That's funny, in a pathetic sort of way... Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
On 5/16/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "IF" you have the ideal saddle *maybe* it would work. > > According to my understanding of the article, you buy a larger saddle, not one that fits, and then you shim with their shim system according to the needs of the horses back. V
Re: [IceHorses] Comments on Gait Videos
On 5/17/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are a couple of responses on the "what gait" videos. Your comments? > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=VC0B1h6WKnI Gat moves like that--what is it? V
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
On 17/05/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you have any pics of the sole Judy? > > Here ya go. Those heels are troublesome. They are too high. As well the foot looks contracted. The heels need to be lowered gradually and opened up. Also the whole foot is too long and is causing stress at the sides (quarters) of the foot where you can see chipping and breaking happening. If this horse has always been barefoot and s/he has heels like that, the owner will have to ensure that s/he receives trims regularily or the strength of the horn of the foot could cause some separation (white line separation) if the hoof is allowed to get too long between trims. And the strength of the horn can cause the foot to naturally contract...so yes...regular trims are a must. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Comments on Gait Videos
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are a couple of responses on the "what gait" > videos. Your comments? > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=VC0B1h6WKnI > http://youtube.com/watch?v=I3JfARLymGo > My comments: great videos, great education, as for the comments: ignorant, rude, and bitchy Keep up the good work, Judy! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [IceHorses] my saddle doesn't fit me :(
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 09:47:44PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: > Yes...I'm certain of it. *gets a sammich* :) > I would seriously think about a Sensation...the one I have is their > standard G3 hybrid. You'd love it. i'm concerned about the hybrids, as stjarni's huge trot requires a certain amount of posting, and the huge thing at the pommel is... intimidating that way. but i'm ordering a trial on the dressage model, complete with trial short stirrups and such for some of my students, and am hoping that it goes well... thanks (to you and all) for all the help and advice! --vicka (and her short femur bones)
Re: [IceHorses] Show Day/Dressage
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 08:24:22PM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: > The National Walking Horse group has developed dressage tests for gaited > horses. You might check to see if Gat could ride his test under these rules. > > > >http://www.nwha.com/programs/Dressage.html ...i've been practicing the old a/b walk/trot tests with stjarni, just for training (he's, umm, multi-gaited :) and with practice he does them very nicely (as long as the footing's good). so maybe worth the effort to at least start with those, if your horse trots at all? --vicka
[IceHorses] Quick Saddle Fit Test
When you are in the saddle that you are "testing", see if you can walk along on the horse with your fingers (one or a couple) under the front of the saddle, to the side (near the button area, not inside the gullet), to see if the saddle is pinching the horse. You can also do this with the back of the saddle to see if it's digging into the horse. Quite an eye opener! More: http://iceryder.net/saddlefittest.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Comments on Gait Videos
hahaha, if it aint broke why fix it?? That horse in the second one is gaiting like a dream, and in the first, what the heck bit is she talking about? Even if it was severe mechanically, the horse is being ridden on a totally slack rein... so lets get thsi straight--- if a horse is being ridden in a little teeny greyhound narrow saddle pinching the dickens out of him and a tight noseband and making him ventroflex to gait, then THATS better than a saddle with a horn?? confused... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
>Any input on this foot? how does the trim look? OK? or ?? Hi Judy, I defer to Cheryl's opinion, but to me, the heels look a little high, with a little too much hoof overall. The angle looks off. I'd like to see a picture of the whole horse to see what the overall balance looks like. Mary
[IceHorses] Comments on Gait Videos
Here are a couple of responses on the "what gait" videos. Your comments? http://youtube.com/watch?v=VC0B1h6WKnI http://youtube.com/watch?v=I3JfARLymGo "there is no way to ride icelandics like this. you can't ride them with western sadle. don't you realise that riding him with western sadle and he's uncumfortable with it or that he suffers when you're having fun?? this is as you'd be wearing to small shoes because someone told you that. horse can't tell you what he want or don't want he just has to obay you even if you're hurting him" "Hi! I'm sorry but i can't get over this...you say you don't use boots, noseband, shoes of any kind (normal icelandic equipment) but you use this harsh (strong) bits (kandaren)and western saddles? Special saddles were made for icelandic horses for purpouse...they have like in front legs high first bone and if you put saddle on it that will hurt the horse or it will prevent him to move his front legs properly. Well you asked what gaites the horses are doing...i say that are no gaites i'm sorry! one of them on that dark brown horse was something between walk and trot, other was only fast walking-not tolt! i really don't know what were you thinking when you posted this wideos. i really can't be quiet about this because i have 3 icelandic horses and i really don't know half of what i can learn but i know that i have to at least ride with proper saddle and bridle and you don't have to use boots if you don't train for competition...and that boots help horses to balance not to push them to have higher action in front legs. i compete with my horses and the first thing i saw was your atitude about boots and other things that others use. i hope you'll write me back because i would really like to hear your comment on this. best regards from slovenia (sorry about my english...it's not my first language) julia" Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
Do you have any pics of the sole Judy? Wanda On 16/05/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any input on this foot? how does the trim look? OK? or ?? > Judy > http://icehorses.net > http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
Hi Janice >lately there has been a change in the way I ride, i dont know what, >but I have an ache afterward in the middle of my back just below my >shoulder blades We are in the midst of a clinic with Peggy Cummings and I suspect that you are lifting through your sternum and that will give a lot of discomfort through the mid back. If you have a photo of yourself riding from the side I will ask Peggy to look at it and give you some suggestions if you like. One thing is that if your saddle is sitting even slightly downhill in front that can trigger a rider to hold in that part of the back. That is where slight shimming on either side in the front can really help. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Feet
On 5/16/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any input on this foot? how does the trim look? OK? or ?? long toes i think. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Accomodations this weekend
Karen - Did you make it to High Falls and Triple Falls? How did your ponies react to the covered bridge? Have they opened the trails to Bridal Veil Falls? Laree
Re: [IceHorses] What breed, buckskin/dun mare
On 5/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> She reminds me of the QH/Fjord I have out in my pasture at the moment. > > She did me too - but she's not either one... she could be peruvian paso if stocky. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT ?? Favorite Books
I have the Dorrance book - one of my favorites. I'll see what I can find by Mark Rashid. Thanks. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] sidepull - rein lengths
On 5/16/07, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would > > think that 8-feet would be a safe length for most Icelandic's, based on how > > you describe your preference, although I personally prefer the 7-ish feet > > ones for the small-medium Icelandic's unless they have unusually long necks. > > Thanks Karen! Now I need to find those in mohair... > > Robyn > www.saddleuptack.com. I like reins long enough that the horse can bend and take a drink without me having to pitch myself way forward because then if another horse crashes into the water with us and my horse jumps I wont end up swimming :) janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT ?? Favorite Books
Thanks, Robyn. The only one on your list I have read is A Good Horse Has No Color - loved that book. As for the closing of the libraries - isn't that amazing? Even more strange - in the next county over, the voters failed to approve a levy that would have funded both the Sheriff's deparetment and their libraries. So, now they have no law enforcement (outside the city) and no libraries anywhere in the coiunty. Bruce and I thought we'd be pretty safe if we broke into a library and just took what we liked. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] weather
On 5/16/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/16/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > oh my gosh cross your fingers PRAY i think we are gonna get some > > RAINNN. > > > I pray you get your rain, and I pray we don't get our the snowstorm > forecasted for tonight! > V > we got one inch! Thanks you guys! now ray for the people in the huge fire area near lake city, and new jersey too! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Trail pics from Dupont Forest
>Cary and I rode some, hiked with horses some, and hiked without horses some. >http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.chd3682r&x=0&y=-l4zcrl Karen, what did you think of riding at Dupont? I still haven't taken my horses there yet. Sue Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
lately there has been a change in the way I ride, i dont know what, but I have an ache afterward in the middle of my back just below my shoulder blades and after riding all weekend twice a day fri-sun last week I was sore until yesterday. Not a real problem, i just wonder why. Maybe I am slumping... but it has happened at times in different saddle with diff horses so must be something about me... is it slump you think?? When I ride stonewall on a slow ride he has a very pronounced camel walk and I get a little lower back pain. so this feels completely different/ Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
> I never said that there was. I just said that no one can convince ME > that a treed saddle is better for a horse's back than a treeless. I > rode in it for several hour rides, then on a 6 hr trail ride. Then I > bought one. > > Robyn Wow, Robyn, did my mail get screwed up? - I wasn't responding to you, I was repsonding to Lorraine about the Sensatrion and her reaction to it as far as comfort for her back Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
On 5/16/07, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No one will ever convince me that a treed saddle is better for a > horse's back than a treeless. There is a lot of truth to the theory > that a treed saddle might fit a horse perfectly--until he moves. there are some cases where a treeless is bad. Like my jaspar has a prominent spine even when very fat. It sticks up, knobby all the way, and when rubbed, he gets a fistula. He had a bad one from a poor saddle pad and a tucker saddle and it became chronic, and a treeless aggravates it. (I ditched the Tucker). Perhaps before he ever got the fistula if I had him in a treeless with proper shims it wouldnt have happened. But as it is it is such that he can only be ridden in a saddle with absolute spine clearance, and what works best for him actually is my orthoflex because with the panels and booties theres nothing on his spine whatsoever, not even a saddle pad. Horses with real real prominent withers also, you can't put a wide tree or treeless where it will sit down and rub right on the withers. Fistulous withers and spine is a very serious life threatening chronic situation. I think Liz said it best when she said you really shouldnt mix and match. You should either have a treed saddle that fits or a treeless that is completely flexible with a good saddle pad that will have shims or whatever to protect the spine. I sent my orthoflex back and had the new special short, extra flexible panels put on, and they ground off some of the back of the saddle which allows even more flex and fit for a shorter backed horse and so far it works good for two of my horses. I think we always need to NEVER forget that no one saddle fits every horse and you have to have an open mind always with each horse and their individual problems. Like Tivar, I really much prefer a treed saddle, my orthoflex, a Tucker even for ME but for my horses each one has to have what he needs and Tivar MUST have a treeless. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Trail training
one time I was riding jaspar, who is afraid of almost nothing, and coming around a bend was a scout leader man with a walking stick and red scarf around his neck and red felt beret, and jaspar came up short, snorted, and started backing up. I dont know if it was the stick or the red hat but the guy had to get off the trail and let us pass :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT ?? Favorite Books
True Horsemanship Through Feel by Dorrance Anything by mark Rashid janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Susan, Quick!
> HA!! You know what is funny - I actually considered > buying one of these! I've heard they are very simalar > to the Bob Marshall, you can get the pink chameleon package for your sensation. I think its a hundred bucks :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: founder in Iceland/Barbara
> >Dear Malin, >That is real interesting. -I found that to ,as I lived and grow up in Sweden everybody was very concerned about their horses to founder in spring. >Surely horses who forage in Iceland have very rich and then lean >periods, depending on the growing sesason. Do no horses get sore- >footed when the rich grass has come in? And if not, has anyone >assessed those incredibly lush-looking Icelandic grasses for the >level of NCS (non-structural carbohydrates, which causes pasture >founder here; measuring in the late afternoon)? Is it possible that >your grasses have much lower NCS than US pastures? Or are there no >IR (insulin resistant) horses in Iceland? -There have been a study about NCS in Icelandic grasses but I don�t remember where to find it it was dun by agriculture schooll at Hvanneyri ( www.bondi.is or www.lbhs.is ). -the Icelandic horse are used to since 1000 of years to live by the nature law so if the where very sensetive to founder they surley would have died out ,as my horses are out all year around eating that they find and get moore food hay in round balls when needed (start usually around christmas and is given to around middle of june) I think as they are on hay and when the new grass is coming the have to go for big spacec�s to find enough amount they not founder ,the grass grow�s gradually in spring and so the hosres get it gradually by nature. Not like in sweden as the summer pasture are saved to get more grass (smaller spaces) and when it�s ready you let the horse out on it�s new pasture! -The horses that are stabled during winter stallions ,training horses and foals are not going out on pasture untill around 20 of june and as stallions often has a lot to do with mare�s this has not been a problem,training horses need more energy and foals/yerlings Grow alot also. -I was at a clinic about breeding the otherday they talked about as the horse population was down to under 3000 horses in 1743 the genepool is very little so with this nature have weed out many bad gene�s as we do have very low genetic problems within the breed. the also talked about that we have to look out for inbreeding % is increasing much know after this BLUP system was set on as the hosrse that are high in BLUP is very related. >Also, please explain to me the pronounced hoof rings that are so >common in horses just imported from Iceland. Those rings sure look >like what in the States are generally considered to reflect founder, >or near founder episodes, usually from binge eating. >Thanks! >yours, Barbara >in Maryland they are called "food change rings" and are not founder as long the hoof doesn�t have increased heat . it is look at this as a very normal they often get this when brought in for training from winter pasture or when we change hay roll�s ,(giving from hay from a new field ) I have several time asked my farrier if he see�s some change in the hoof sole ,walls ect.ect and never have he found anything. regards malin in Iceland PS. my spelling program is gone so you have to put up with my bad www.kolugil.tk spelling
Re: [IceHorses] Trail pics from Dupont Forest
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> For a minute there I thought you were > ahwell...never mind.<< I understand! After all, this IS NEVADA where EVERYTHING is legal!!! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
> There is no saddle, horse or anything else that works for everyone - > thank goodness - what a boring world it would be. Butt... did you > just sit in it or ride in it? I never said that there was. I just said that no one can convince ME that a treed saddle is better for a horse's back than a treeless. I rode in it for several hour rides, then on a 6 hr trail ride. Then I bought one. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Trail pics from Dupont Forest
On 17/05/07, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My goodness Susanwhat kind of second job did > you take up?? ;)<< > > I do x-ray and Cat Scans at a little rural hospital 70 > miles south of me. Whew! Sounds great. For a minute there I thought you were ahwell...never mind. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Trail pics from Dupont Forest
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My goodness Susanwhat kind of second job did you take up?? ;)<< I do x-ray and Cat Scans at a little rural hospital 70 miles south of me. I sign on at 6:30 Friday night and check out 6:30 Monday morning every other weekend. They pay my gas and my motel and pay me big money to carry a beeper. It pays for all my horse toys (camper, hay - not a toy, new trailer I have my eye on). It's a good, easy job, and I get away from my husband and mother! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
> I know that the sensation is a great saddle but when I > sat in one it didn't feel good for my bad lower back. There is no saddle, horse or anything else that works for everyone - thank goodness - what a boring world it would be. Butt... did you just sit in it or ride in it? -- Laree
