Re: [IceHorses] Hair of the Dog That Bit You
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pleased to see the various recent emails about list members participating in trail trials and competitive trail rides. As I have written before, these are great activities for Icelandic owners. It still surprises me that so few Icelandics are doing this kind of thing in the Central Coast area of California where I reside. We used to see a lot more. Wow, You are an animal. I use to endurance all the time. I even started the Tevis. I had Arabs then. I would love to try my Icey in Endurance. There is are only two here in AZ. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
[IceHorses] male riders and geography
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 07:10:16PM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: this centered-riding-on-iceys clinic was 50% male for riders. There were also two auditors, both female (one of whom had brought her horse and did go trail riding with us afterwards). That's very rare. i'm wondering if it's maybe a northeast thing -- more men here riding, more men here riding english-style (which is more similar to icelandic), stuff like that. it seems also to show up later in life (men rather than boys) as when i taught in riding camp i had only a couple of little boys (maybe 20%?) relative to my number of little girls. (perhaps this also explains why the women were, on the whole, more practiced-seeming riders than the men at the icey clinic -- though overall, thinking of the men i know who ride, there are as many who are far far ahead of me as behind on the path) dunno, just something i'm keeping an eye on --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] male riders and geography
i'm wondering if it's maybe a northeast thing I'd bet it varies not only somewhat geographically, but also over a timeline. What I mean by over a timeline is, that as women have become more visible in certain sports, many men have left the sports - just a few decades ago, dressage was a man's sport, because of its military roots. Now, most dressage riders you'll see are women, at local , national and at international competition levels. Equestrian sports are only one of a couple where men and women compete equally under exactly the same set of rules at the Olympic level...and women stand up quite well to the competition. Apparently a lot of men don't like that. That there are more women than men involved in the USA with horses is pretty much a given on a national level though. Jane Savoie is from New England - MA originally I think, now living in Florida and VT. Stacy Westfall is from Ohio, I think Lynn Palm was originally from the Midwest, now living in Michigan and Florida. At the clinic I attended last week, organized on a national level, they had one session called. My love or my husband versus my love for my horses. In fact, Jane's husband was manning (cute word, given the topic, huh?) her booth, and my buddy and I actually had a chat with him (a New Englander) on this subject. He said was ok to go riding on a packing type vacation out west, but overall, the horse business is largely Jane's baby. Lynn Palm's husband is an equestrian in his own right though, and Stacy Westfall's husband is also a western trainer/competitor. It's an almost universal theme in national magazines, and on these lists. I live in NC, but this part of NC is not really a southern community any more - we have many more non-southerners living here now that we have natives, thanks largely to Charlotte being the country's second largest financial city, second only to NYC. It's a fact of life here, with riders that have ended up here from all parts of the country - Cary gets lots of female attention when he occasionally accompanies me to a tack store or event since men are relatively rare at those venues. Also, my friend graduated from a very classical English riding/horsemanship program at Virginia Intermont about 1984, I think. She said that her class was overwhelmingly female, and the horsemanship students were from all over the country - maybe about 10-15% male at that time. You could check and see what the percentages are at the other schools with noted equestrian programs, like University of Findlay, etc. But look at the equestrian programs, not the overall enrollment. I think even vet schools have a larger percentage of female than male students now, whereas I never heard of a female vet when I was a kid. Maybe Laree knows that, since her daughter just got accepted. Is Annie expecting to meet a lot of guys at school...? :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 5/24/2007 4:01 PM The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Beautiful Twin Foals
Wow...this twin foals are stunning. http://tinyurl.com/2u9pze I agree. Very cute. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: [IceHorses] Busy Horse Feed Bag
On 5/25/07, Ferne Fedeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/17/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's Cookie, with her new feed bag which helps stretch out her meal. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com Oops. I'm using my friend's laptop and am rather klutzy! That looks like a neat feeder. Where did you get it and what brand is it?
[IceHorses] Plain Text
Just a reminder to be sure your email program is set to plain text when posting to the list. Quoted text (just a line or two) goes first, and your response *BELOW* that. Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Coco
This is a cross between an Icelandic and a Virginia Highlander, named Coco. Is a V. Highlander a gaited horse? Very pretty. Lori Yes, it is. what a cute little horse. is she gaited Yes, he is (gelding), very much so. His owner is supposed to be sending a video of him gaiting. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] male riders and geography
Equestrian sports are only one of a couple where men and women compete equally under exactly the same set of rules at the Olympic level...and women stand up quite well to the competition. Apparently a lot of men don't like that. True in many areas. True in drumming as well, traditionally a male-dominated pursuit. More and more girls/women are playing drums, and are very good at it. While most male drummers are intrigued by and often in admiration of women drummers, there are many that are threatened by it. And since women tend to be quicker and have better feel, they often do better at it anyway. Like this one:http://www.hannahforddrums.com/ Named Modern Drummer magazine's up-and-coming young drummer in '06. Very nice, mature girl as well--and she's only about 16! There is nothing inherently male about either riding horses or playing drums. Or many other things either! Robyn
RE: [IceHorses] Ground Work Goals
Pat on the other hand, chose the most difficult of his 2 horses, spent most of the time just doing the friendly game, and then did as much as he could w/ riding the horse, just at a walk was all he managed, while the other 2 had theirs trotting and cantering (well before the horses were ready, esp. in Cameron's case). I was so impressed w/ how Pat refused to push the horse, and also how he chose the most challenging horse. In my opinion he should have won this little competition just for his attitude and clear ability w/ horses. If you think about it, those training challenge races like those are sort of against the whole spirit of Natural Horsemanship, arent they? Most of these guys have a key slogan on taking your time Parellis is take the time it takes, so it takes less time. Ive never seen Pat push a horse any of the times Ive seen him, but Im still a little disappointed that he signed up to do some of those races, even if he was less pushy than the others. I think the very first thing I picked up at the Parelli weekend seminars was how much human confidence has to do with a horses demeanor. I knew it before, but Id never seen anyone demonstrate it as dramatically as Pat did and Ive watched a lot of people with horses. The first couple I attended had three local problem horses featured for Pat and a couple of his certified instructors to work with. At the very first one I attended, Honza (remember Honza? Judy posted some You tube links to him recently ) as one of the featured instructors. Anyway, the owners would bring their horses into ring, frantically holding the snap of the leadline while the horses dragged them all around the arena. They would introduce each owner and horse, and the owner would hand the horse over to Pat or his person. Before the Parelli people could begin doing a single thing, the horses would invariably calm down. It was especially notable with Pat. Pat would take his horse with this big bemused grin on his face, and you could just see the second the horse knew Pat had the line. The horse would visibly sigh and relax, like whew! Im sooo glad youre here. You know what youre doing, and youll take care of me all is well now. No round penning, no chasing the horse, just an instant sense of relief on the horses part. Not that ALL the issues were instantly fixed, but there was notable change. There wasnt really any magic to it, just complete confidence and understanding and the horses could feel it. It was like they could feel the friendly game before he even started it. Pat would always tease the owners who were tightly holding the lead snap, saying, You know, we sell the whole lead lines, so feel free to use the whole thing. If you are only going to use the snap, I guess we could just sell you a snap. No point dragging the line too if you arent going to use it. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] some women clinicians
On 5/25/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but its like he wants me to learn the stuff and hand it to him on a platter :) I had to laugh - this is so typical :-))) -- Laree well, if you want to say it in a nice way I heard someone say once women are the ones who go find the light, nurture it, keep it lit, and bring it home to their men. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] male riders and geography
On 5/25/07, Robyn Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nothing inherently male about either riding horses or playing drums. Or many other things either! my experience is that for some reason horses seem to be a man thing in every realm but reality. The reality is that I go on huge rides and at LEAST 80% are ALWAYS women. I ride every weekend on public trails. There will always be several groups of women riding, then maybe a group or two of mixed riders, some husbands along etc., and I can honestly say you guys, in the last ten years I have maybe twice or three times seen men riding together without women. whats up with that?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses]Trailriding headgear - was Teev goes to camp
On 5/24/07, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the number one reason that I use a high line or a HiTie when camping. I tie one end of the high line to my horse railer and the other end to a tree, post or another horse trailer. During the night I feel a gentle tug when Huginn moves or grabs hay from the hay bag. If her were to get tangled I would feel the violent shaking of the trailer and it would wake me up. wow, this is an excellent idea! I have always before tied the horse to a tree with a haybag right outside my truck window, But one time I slept with a friend in her camper with air cond and when I got up a man came by and said wow, he sure stays close by, and I thought that was an odd comment and then went to feed and Jaspar was across the street grazing on the state park restroom lawn! Since then I have a fear of camping and having them out of ear shot unless they are stalled. But this is a good tip to tie them so you will feel them moving. I liek the tie line cause they can lie down. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] male riders and geography
, in the last ten years I have maybe twice or three times seen men riding together without women. whats up with that?? I think it's the traditional/competitive thing--more men in racing and ro-day-oh, and oddly enough, more male clinicians (at least in NH). But for recreational riding, always women. I think it's too touchy-feely for most men. They just want to get on 'em and ride 'em--none of that brushing, cleaning, etc. Robyn
[IceHorses] Today's Oprah Show
They had an interesting segment about horses and feeling on today's Oprah show, which I just happened to tune into. http://www2.oprah.com/presents/2007/spa/life/life_adventure_212.jhtml http://tinyurl.com/3br3tp One emotionally revealing activity at Miraval is the Equine Experience. With the help of best-selling author and psychotherapist Wyatt Webb, the women get to interact with horses on an emotional level. The goal is to get the horse to lift its leg so they can clean its hoofbut it is harder than it sounds. The horse senses how a person is feeling, and will only raise its leg when it feels comfortable. I created this almost 15 years ago, and it's based on the premise of how we do one thing is pretty much how we do everything, Wyatt says. You will end up treating these horses how you've learned to treat people. The first time Oprah tried the Equine Experience on a previous trip, she says she had some trouble getting the horse to cooperate at first. [I thought], 'I know how to talk to people. I'm assertive. I'm calm. I know how to get things done. This horse should be lifting its leg,' Oprah says. Then you're embarrassed that you weren't able to do it, because I thought I was going to be able to walk in there and be my assertive self and do it. Eventually, Oprah succeeded after she realized horses don't care what you have to sayit's all about how you feel. Horses are like living lie detectors, says Martha Beck, who works with horses often. If you're not really authentic with yourself, a horse is afraid of you and they can tell your heart rate, your adrenaline rateall of those go up when you're not being completely authentic. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Today's Oprah Show
The first time Oprah tried the Equine Experience on a previous trip, she says she had some trouble getting the horse to cooperate at first. [I thought], 'I know how to talk to people. I'm assertive. I'm calm. I know how to get things done. heh Assertive doesn't cut it w/ horses. You have to be ego-less. Robyn
