RE: [IceHorses] Western Sensation
>>> Just googled "Western Sensation" and this photo album came up. Page 5 has more pics of the Western and a pic of a rider sitting in one... It looks nice, but the thing that worries me for Icelandic's is the skirt. The rest of the saddle looks a lot like a Hybrid, so I'd guess it to be similar in length, with the skirt extra, extending behind. I just wonder if the skirt will cause any rub-issues even if nothing more than to make the saddle want to "walk" forward or back. I know it should be soft, but still - I just don't know. I'm looking forward to hearing the reviews - I certainly like all the other Sensations. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Another Icelandic Horse Farm picture
Hi Karen >>>Isn't that funny - she was right there at my elbow, and I had no idea I'd own her daughter later.Runa would have been about 6-8 months old then - was she there too Drottning came with Runa at her side - so she might have been weaned by that time. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic mares in heat
>>> I have 2 Icelandic mares, Ljosbra and Von. They do not show any signs of estrus unless a stallion is around. My Icelandic mares don't show the usual signs (peeing, winking, etc.) of estrus, but Sina does show some moodiness - not bad, but noticeable. Since she doesn't show the obvious signs when she's in heat, it took a while for me to be fairly sure that's what was happening, but I'm fairly sure now it is. >>> They have recommended that I put her in the pasture with a stallion and see if she gets pregnant this way. I have been disappointed because of all the Icelandics that I own she is by far the smartest. I know the feeling. Bjola is one of my Einsteins, as is Melnir. I was looking forward to a super-baby from them...but I'm not sure when I'll get her problem resolved, so it didn't seem logical to keep Melnir intact for something that might never happen anyway. The good news is that if her problem is a granulosa-cell tumor, removing the one-affected ovary should make her able to conceive again...but I may just take this as a sign that she's had her two babies, and she should be a riding horse from now on. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Icelandic Gelding 3
> Just have to figure out how to convince him he needs a Western > Sensation...I'll have to tell him it'll make him a better bicycle rider > because the angle of the fenders really stretches his striated muscle > fibers and he'll just power up those hills...something like that O:-) . Oh, that's good! You are really good, Trish! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Icelandic mares in heat
I have 2 Icelandic mares, Ljosbra and Von. They do not show any signs of estrus unless a stallion is around. I have tried to breed Ljosbra three times no and she has never got pregnant. She has had all the appropriate cultures to make sure she does not have an infection and has been ultrasounded. None of the many vets have found anything wrong with her. They have recommended that I put her in the pasture with a stallion and see if she gets pregnant this way. I have been disappointed because of all the Icelandics that I own she is by far the smartest. She thinks her way through new situations and when she sees something new likes to walk up to it to check it out. She is a beautiful dun pinto with a killer natural tolt. Renee ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
[IceHorses] Can't Pass Up A Training Op
We're about to send the Roll-A-Bout back, so I had to take some time to use it for a training opportunity with Charm: http://iceryder.net/brokenleg.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Western Sensation
Just googled "Western Sensation" and this photo album came up. Page 5 has more pics of the Western and a pic of a rider sitting in one... http://pets.webshots.com/album/433841427yvfoOV?start=48 Trish
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Icelandic Gelding 3
Karen Thomas wrote: > but it was good to see that he foxtrotted with Rich in a halter. Was Rich > riding in your Sensation in the pictures you sent? Ha! Ha! Ha! Rich riding in my Sensation! The way we got another Sensation was that I told Rich he needed a comfortable saddle too! He thinks the hybrid is his ;-) ... I had Rich take his first ride with the EZ Ride stirrups, then put him back in the S-stirrups with toe stoppers...we've got a new pair of EZ Rides on the way too! Just have to figure out how to convince him he needs a Western Sensation...I'll have to tell him it'll make him a better bicycle rider because the angle of the fenders really stretches his striated muscle fibers and he'll just power up those hills...something like that O:-) . Trish
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Icelandic Gelding 3
Well, then, you'll just have to come try him some time and see! That's Kopar and his former owner. And I am so happy to hear he foxtrots :-) He's really cute, and I'd love to meet him and ride him. I wondered a little about the bit and saddle - not too many western saddles truly fit most Icelandics - but it was good to see that he foxtrotted with Rich in a halter. Was Rich riding in your Sensation in the pictures you sent? >>> I think it was either a curb or Tom Thumb bit he was being ridden in. I got the feeling maybe he didn't care for the bit in the video, but not all curb bits are bad. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mares in heat
Susan McKenney wrote: > Wondering what your experiences are with your mares in heat? I > remember a discussion a while back that people couldn't tell that > their icelandic mares were in heat, but my very sensitive Brenna (very > eager to please, wants to be good, and get everything right) becomes > noticeably out of sorts. I've heard of a product by Wendal's Herbs called Moody Mare that is supposed to help with the estrus cycle. They are a reputable company out of England and I've seen their products here in the USA. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Talisman
Kaaren Jordan wrote: > My husband should have pictures & explainations of what all the gems do up > on my web-site:kaarenjordan.com by this weekend. My Iceys love them!! Looking forward to seeing these! Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mares in heat
On 7/11/07 6:13 PM, "Susan McKenney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wondering what your experiences are with your mares in heat? I > remember a discussion a while back that people couldn't tell that > their icelandic mares were in heat, but my very sensitive Brenna (very > eager to please, wants to be good, and get everything right) becomes > noticeably out of sorts. > > Sue There will probably always be exceptions to what appears to be normal for the breed. My mares keep their cycles a secret unless there is a stallion. Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic mares in heat - reproductive problems
Wondering what your experiences are with your mares in heat? I remember a discussion a while back that people couldn't tell that their icelandic mares were in heat, but my very sensitive Brenna (very eager to please, wants to be good, and get everything right) becomes noticeably out of sorts. My job as an Icelandic owner seems to be to dispel all the myths, so here I go again I honestly can't tell when my most of my Icelandic mares are in heat - that's true. But, Sina DOES show some seasonal fluctuation. Nothing like some mares I've met, but it's still noticeable. But the big one... and I can't tell any change in her behavior (yet?) but nine-year-old Bjola did not get pregnant this spring. She was with Melnir for about 4-5 weeks, and I was a little surprised and very disappointed when I had her ultrasounded. The first blow was that she isn't pregnant, but the real blow is that she appears to have a tumor, possibly a granulosa cell tumor. Of course, Melnir is gelded now, so the wonder-baby I envisioned from them will never be. I will have her re-checked before too long, to confirm the diagnosis so we can decide what to do. If it is indeed a granulosa cell tumor, then her behavior may become affected, so the normal recommendation is surgery. We don't have a firm diagnosis, so we'll have to see how this turns out. It seems that the personalities of mares with granulose cell tumors may become drastically affected, even aggressive. So far, Bjola shows no personality changes, so I'm hoping for a simpler explanation for initial appearance of her affected ovary. This probably won't apply to Brenna, but I thought it would be good to "confess" I have an Icelandic mare may have a reproductive issue, so anyone else who has one can also "come out of the closet". I'm sure she's not the first, but I sure haven't heard many people talk about this sort of thing. But, then, I never heard people talk much about cryptorchidism until I started talking about it, and I've heard a few callous breeders swear that Icelandic mares never have trouble delivering foals. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Mark Rashid Clinic Report 2
> By Cynthia > > Mark Rashid Clinic, Duluth, MN John & Duke John and Duke were second up. I have some perspectives on this one as I am married to John. Duke was "fussing" with his head a lot. John doesn't ride real regularly. Mark went through his questions to find out what the horse had done and what John wanted to do. John wanted to work on the horse's lateral work. Mark said that the horse had to stand still to do that so that the first thing to accomplish was to get this horse to stand still. John also had to work with letting the horse's feet move. His main task was to get his hands consistent so that the horse could keep his head quiet. Mark had him walk until his horse was quiet, then trot. When the horse began to fuss with his head Mark had John turn his nose and take him in a circle. Mark said, "let him try to stay soft, turn him before he gets a full head of steam. When he speeds up at the trot, circle him to control his speed." On the good side, John was not pushing the horse with his leg. The horse was still moving his feet and worrying, his head going up. Mark pointed out that John would begin the correction and then not follow through on it. John had to be reminded to soften his hands AFTER we get the horse thinking about the rider. Duke's problem appeared to be about stopping and Johns timing. John got the head tossing stopped and then took the horse on the rail. He was looking for direction and John was giving him correction in a punishing way. John's past solution to Duke's energy was to lope him until he wanted to stop. Mark also indicated that he thought that part of Duke's problem may be too much grain. Duke is in a paddock with 8 other horses. They get grass hay free choice and each of them gets about 3.5 pounds of a corn/barley/oats mix once a day. John Day 2 Mark showed John how to use a fixed hand position in turning Duke to diffuse a fight before it happens. John is not fighting with Duke today and Duke is beginning to stand still. Mark talked about how we could spend all day waiting for Duke to become more quiet but that with this horse and this rider it is probably better to let him get quieter "on the job". We talked about what a horse's attention span is. People were guessing 20 minutes, 40 minutes maybe an hour. Mark said to think about a horse that is separated and worrying about his buddy, now how long do you think the attention span is. John's first request had been to work on side passing. Mark said that he likes to begin with the turn on the forehand, go to the turn on the hindquarters and finish with the side pass all on the same side. John had to pick up contact for this and as he attempted the turn on the forehand, Mark observed that John was not releasing his cue when the horse responded. After a good attempt on Duke's part John would walk or trot him out along the rail. Duke needed the rein cue and a light leg cue and John needed to shift his hip down to get the lateral movement. They also worked on the turn on the haunches. John has a tendency to turn his horse's head too far. Mark pointed out that it is important to let the horse have some success, stop and release after a good effort. They also worked on the back and Mark showed us how Dukey is backing off the front end and pushing himself back with his front legs. This is not the correct way to back (continued)
Re: [IceHorses] a great day
> this is an old pic. I had forgot about it and ran across it. Me and > walls at sunset. I love his face, he is having such a great time and > you can tell. > Janice Yay! So are you! that looks like a lot of fun--I want to try swimming one of my boys sometime. Robyn S
[IceHorses] "The Clicker Lady"
Cherie and I had a great ride at Biltmore on Sunday. It was 85 degrees but nice and cool on the trails running through the forest. A Belgian drawn carriage full of people went by and while Cherie was making sure Kolur was calm about it (he used to be scared of it but not any more) the woman driving the Belgians called out "aren't you the Clicker Lady who did a great demonstration at the Fjord Funfest?" Cherie is getting a following across breeds! Sue
Re: [IceHorses] The Sainted Tosca
> Stephanie did a short session of ground driving with Tosca this morning. Superb! And a BIG STAR to you for taking a picture!! For those reading from the web, I added the picture to Stephanie's page: http://iceryder.net/stephanie.html Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Forwarded from Ridecamp
>I wondered if someone would want to respond to this girl. You can send her these links: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/msearch?query=sensation&submit=Search&charset=ISO-8859-1 http://iceryder.net/sensation.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Horses off lead
I think one of the most touching things I ever have seen a horse do happened at an endurance ride a couple of years ago. An elderly gentleman finished the ride and needed to do his "trot out" for soundness at the finish. His much younger riding partner was going to trot his horse, but he wouldn't move for her. This man asked the vet's permission to do his trot out without a lead. The man moved off pretty awkwardly, arms pumping madly - not much grace or agility involved, but he did it . His horse trotted happily along beside him, obviously sound and "fit to continue", which is the requirement. They reached the end and trotted back. The watching crowd clapped and they picked up their vet card and walked off to camp, horse still off lead. It was a sweet moment and the guy was awarded the special Veterinary Award as an example of true partnership between horse and rider. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Rocky Mountain Horse
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I think the link isn't good. > > > This should be it: > > http://www.kvsun.com/articles/2007/06/21/sports/062007-3- rockyhorse.txt > The article says: "In addition to the Rockies' gentle and friendly attitude, the Davidson's say that they are very intelligent. That their naturally tough hooves don't need shoes; they have incredible stamina; a reliable "homing device," always seeming to know where they are in relation to home; are "easy keepers," thriving on only grass hay; and they never buck, rear or run away with their rider. "The thing I notice is that they seem to be enjoying it as much as us. They are excited to get in the trailer and go!" says Diana." I think most of this is true, I don't know about the statement that they "never buck, rear or run away", I don't know about that:) I think I've heard otherwise, in a few cases, any horse can suffer from some kind of training, handling or pain that might make them do that. They are nice horses though, some can be very much like Icelandics in temperament, very quiet and doglike:) I am thrilled with Rose, not spooky, intelligent, cooperative, very friendly, on the 4th of July a neighbor was either shooting a gun (again) or setting off fireworks, she was startled, but didn't move her feet, she let me calm her down. I also had Celie's foot on my resting on my leg when he started doing that (don't ask:) thank goodness she isn't startled easily. Maybe it's an effect I have on them? My herd just looked and the other herd did run around a little bit. Snorri and Rose (and Dari) are the ones that I think I could take places and have them behave themselves, even now when they are still young, the mules? that's something else:) Kim Kim
Re: [IceHorses] The Sainted Tosca
Hhhmmm - I think I need to read more. This is the younger Dorrance, right? I have always done something like this with both the dogs and the horses. I sort of want them to go in what the dog world would be called "off lead". Of course, with the horses, I usually leave the lead attached, with Twist being the exception. I can lead him just about anywhere without any lead at all. That was actually what we did with Tosca this morning. Stephnie thought she was "driving" her, but actually Tosca was following me down the road - no lead. I figured it was good for both of them. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Forwarded from Ridecamp
On 7/11/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wondered if someone would want to respond to this girl. > > Nancy i would want her to buy my sensation so I could take the money and buy a bigger one :) didnt we already talk to her?? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] The Sainted Tosca
On 7/11/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Janice I don't know "follow the float". What does that mean? > > For the record, I wouldn't consider having Stephanie drive Tosca, even for > 1/4 of a mile, if I wasn't pretty sure Tosca was ready. It certainly has > the potential for disaster. Tosca, as usual, came through like the champ > she is. > > Nancy > it is a dorrance thing... he says a horse can be led by "following the float" in the lead if you are very tuned in to them etc. Its one of his almost "too zen" concepts, but like some others, one i didnt believe in til I tried it. I had my fox afraid to go into a trailer. He wasnt phobic but he would tremble and get wild eyed and then once in would sweat like crazy all the way to where we were going. Then I started just playing around with keeping a flot in the lead when walking and when the float would go away just gently almost invisibly pulling and then the instant the float came, release etc. anyway. I was amazed the first time he followed the float right into the trailer with me, calm and relaxed. I see that Tosca is doing that, going with float in the reins. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Icelandic mares in heat
Wondering what your experiences are with your mares in heat? I remember a discussion a while back that people couldn't tell that their icelandic mares were in heat, but my very sensitive Brenna (very eager to please, wants to be good, and get everything right) becomes noticeably out of sorts. Sue
RE: [IceHorses] 'Hollow"
Oh wow - he does have a pretty head. And I thought Hunter was the only pretty-headed TWh out there. I have people ask me (when he's not moving) if he's an Arab or part Arab. I need to get a picture of my Holly. She's only 14.1H and sort of stocky with a beautiful head. No one ever guessed that she's a TWH - until she moved. :) She's black, so unfortunately, it's hard to get a good picture of her. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Forwarded from Ridecamp
>>> I wondered if someone would want to respond to this girl. Hi Nancy, I think Ericka is on the treelesssaddles list now - I recognize her name from a day or two ago. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM
[IceHorses] Forwarded from Ridecamp
I wondered if someone would want to respond to this girl. Nancy - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Crysta Turnage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: [RC] > Hi All, > The great saddle search has begun again. Could be I don't know how to do it, but could not find anything in the Archives regarding the Sensation Treeless Saddle. I currently use a Torsion, but want more containment. Looks like the Sensation Hybrid is just what I need. It looks that way, but is it? That is my question. Anyone riding in a Sensation that would like to comment? would love any and all input from all y ou endurance riders! > thanks, > Ericka > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. > Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp > Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp > > Ride Long and Ride Safe!! > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >
Re: [IceHorses] The Sainted Tosca
Janice I don't know "follow the float". What does that mean? For the record, I wouldn't consider having Stephanie drive Tosca, even for 1/4 of a mile, if I wasn't pretty sure Tosca was ready. It certainly has the potential for disaster. Tosca, as usual, came through like the champ she is. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] The Sainted Tosca
oh my gosh this is so AWESOME! and on a loose rein! Does Tosca "follow the float"?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
Hi Wanda >>>Another easy way to check on teeth is to feel along the outside of their heads along where their teeth lay. If there is any 'flinchiness' at allthen chances are you've found an ulcer. That is a good way, also if your horse is reactive around the TMJ joint it can be an indicator of a mouth imbalance which is causing pain from chewing and it can be from too long of incisors or a wedge mouth. >>>Opening their mouth and peering is not necessary to determine if sharp points along their jawline are causing a problem. Very true and it is difficult to see inside the mouth without a speculum and remember that it is the outside of the top teeth and the inside of the bottom teeth that get sharp as the horse grinds to eat and the teeth erupt in their growth. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
[IceHorses] Mark Rashid Clinic Report
By Cynthia Mark Rashid Clinic, Duluth, MN Mike was the first rider. Mike and his 3-year-old mustang x quarter mare were working on letting her move her feet to relieve her worry. Mike and Lady were also working on getting her to stand still. Mike was a little inconsistent with his hands and Mark worked on helping him find more ways to support Lady. Mike day 2 Mike came into the arena today and Lady was again having a hard time keeping her feet still. Mike began making circles with her. Mark watched for a while and told Mike that he was missing Lady's attempts to calm herself. He needed to feel those and let her straighten; otherwise the circling would just increase her anxiety. Mark observed that Lady did not understand how to back so they began work on that. Quotes from Mark, "When you are not on the horse, how can you question what the rider is deciding?". "The only way to help the mare with her balance is to do it again and again." "Once you start this (or any learning process) you have to get them through the tough parts." "Learning is a two way street on a horse." "We can worry so much about making mistakes that we let it paralyze us." "If you are setting up the horse to fail you can't blame the horse." "30% of learning is on the horse while 70% is on the rider." "We are watching the horse try to understand what the pressure means, by lowering its head and yet keeping it's ears on the rider." "On this horse, on this day, with this rider." "Give her time to think about it." "Set it up and wait." A lot of times we help more than we need to. "Give all the way down to her feet." "I'm not going to tell you how to do this- but if you can find a way" Mike and Lady day 3 Mike and Lady did a lot of review today. Mike got Lady's feet still and he got her soft in the face responses. When she was quiet and working well they started to work on turns on the forehand. Mark has a rider work on turns on the forehand first, turns on the hind quarters, then side passes all on one side. Lady had never done this kind of work before and she took to it well. This was also a new approach for Mike. For a turn on the forehand to the right, Mark has the rider tip the horse's nose right and push the hindquarters left. They keep contact on the reins to stop the forward motion and tipping the nose seems to get the horse just enough off balance to get the hind quarters moving. The Lady picked this up very fast and was doing nearly complete pivots in no time. Then they worked the turn on the hind quarters, again using right leg pressure so that this was a turn to the left. Mark had Mike rock Lady back onto her haunches and then ask her to take a step left with a front leg. This was a little tougher but they worked it through one step at a time. She was quickly offering 2 or 3 steps. I had never realized before that the turn on the forehand was so much easier for the horse than the turn on the haunches. When these two turns were clear to the horse Mark had Mike combine the cues to get a side pass. It was there imediately, just as it had been for John on his second day. They did this a few times and decided that it was enough for the day. Mike on Lady, day 4 Mike's objective today is to do the lateral work on the left side and to lope Lady. Mark suggests that they need to look for something good early and then quit. He tells us that he usually sees improvement of horse and rider on the first two days, the third day there is resistance and some regression and the fourth day the horse is willing and will show us what he remembers. Lady gets stuck with the laterals almost right away and Mark has Mike pull her out of it by doing a rollback. The horse is saying "Make up my mind for me Mike!" and then does a beautiful sidepass when asked. Mark is being much more direct with Mike too and is giving him more direction. Mike is asking for the lope now and getting little response. Mark has him slowly increase the cue again. There is a question about how much to increase it. Mark says that we have to increase the cue to get her searching for the answer. Whatever cue we are using must be effective. We don't care about the lead, that can always be refined. Squeezing with his legs is not working, Mark has him lift and drop his leg against Lady. By doing this Mike is telling Lady "You are not doing the thing that I am asking." Something has to happen so that she will start looking for an answer. Mike is saying "I need you to be doing something for me. If you are not looking for a solution I will apply more pressure." This is a little like Erin's situation in that Lady is not responding to Mike's cue. It is unlike Erin's situation in that Big's age says that Big understands the cue. Lady is thinking about locking up and Mark tells Mike to do something, anything. Don't let Lady get her feet stopped. As long a she keeps looking, don't up the pressure but don't let her stop her feet
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Rocky Mountain Horse
> I think the link isn't good. This should be it: http://www.kvsun.com/articles/2007/06/21/sports/062007-3-rockyhorse.txt Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: Talisman
Hi: For all of you who have a more meta physical/spiritual tendency, I have started to make "talismans" for humans & horses out of semi-precious gems that balance the 7 vital energy centres called the "chakras". For those who want sound & the gems, I have "Rhythm Gems" which have 3 bells + the harmonizing gems. They are great to warn others of your approach on the trail & if you or your horse get tired of the bells during your ride, just un-clip & pocket them. The horse jewels clip into the mane or tail & the human gems are in pendant form that tie around your neck on a purple silk cord that is removeable & adjustable. My husband should have pictures & explainations of what all the gems do up on my web-site:kaarenjordan.com by this weekend. My Iceys love them!! Feel free to call me as well. Kaaren Jordan Sensation Dealer
Re: [IceHorses] The Age of a Horse
Hello Judy, Thanks for sending verse. Guess this will help me check up on our vet's teeth floating -- the medical/science. "As time goes on, the horsemen know, The oval teeth three-sided grow. The old horse has more "whoa" than "get" We keep him only for a pet." This old-time verse is courtesy of the annual Old-Time Horse Farmers Gathering in Blackville, South Carolina. Our two Icelandics, Paddy/Slettir, 17 yo, and Pila. 19 yo, have their teeth floated each year now that they are chez nous. And, they seem to be doing great. Pila, who arrived past January, still does slobber over her soaked beet pulp and supplements.and often spits out apple chunks and carrots, but since she's top equine, she gets more food than either of our boys, and she does well with pasture grass and hay. Paddy truly, truly, truly hates the teeth floating process, but it sure does work for him--he gobbles up everthing we offer. I empathasize with Pila.. I, being old lady who hasn't been all that conscientious with geriatric periodontal care. Now I understand the expression, "long in the tooth" . At least bone loss doesn't seem to be an equine malady. Anyhow, one truth of the rhyme is undoubtedly the connection between dentation with nutrition. I do offer a warning to humans--have your teeth "floated" or else Geesh, I do go onall the result of a poem! Kate Basler Monterey, MA Slettir/Paddy and Pila, Icelandic horses Kokopelli, Hackney pony mule Tess and Bodhi, Irish Water Spaniels Dorje, Snowshoe cat
Re: [IceHorses] my new diet
On 7/10/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I went to the ups store at lunch and picked up my new > Sensation hybrid. Wow! Love the saddle!! V
[IceHorses] Re: Rocky Mountain Horse
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An article about Rock Mountain Horses: > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GaitedHorse/pending?start_at=1 > > I think the link isn't good. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
On 11/07/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We recently got in several horses that had been in training and there were > complaints from the people training the horses that they were uncooperative. > None of their teeth had been done and all of them had sharp points and many > of them wolf teeth. Since the sharp points were causing ulcers on the > inside of the cheeks it was no wonder that the horses became less and less > cooperative as they were worked. Another case of there is always a reason. > Robyn Another easy way to check on teeth is to feel along the outside of their heads along where their teeth lay. If there is any 'flinchiness' at allthen chances are you've found an ulcer. Opening their mouth and peering is not necessary to determine if sharp points along their jawline are causing a problem. Wanda
[IceHorses] Spirit, in Icelandic
Here's a clip from the Spirit movie, in Icelandic: http://iceryder.net/spiriticelandic.html Please feel free to forward. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Coolwater Kate arrives here from Australia a bit off topic
>> GORGEOUS leopard appaloosa mare. > > I saw the picture! Very nice! > > I had a black and white leopard Walkaloosa named Cookie. She was a very > good horse. > Judy She's prettier than that picture but more will have to wait. We had a cup of coffee together this morning. It's like she recognizes a coffee cup! She came right over and pushed the cup up to her lips and drank it down. Funny! Then she walked off like a complete snob when it was gone! LOL! She seems to have a sporadic cough. I hear it every 1/2 hour or so. Not sure what it is but my neighbor who mainly doctors cows is coming by because I don't want to have the vet out until next week after she's rested up. he is going to see if he hears anything weird in her lungs. Might just be the humid, summer, new air. new grasses, new weeds etc...
Re: [IceHorses] Talisman
On 11/07/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > where do i find a saddle talisman wanda?!?! I need one. > Janice Look around your house. Heck...look in your purse. Find something that has a hidden meaning for you. Something that makes you smile with fond memories everytime you look at it. If you have something like that near you and it becomes a force field for you. But then I'm a crazy Icelandic Canadian that believes in all those spiritual things... Wanda
[IceHorses] Lori Bloomquist
Hi If Lori Bloomquist from NJ is on the list or anyone knows her could you please send me her email address. Thanks Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
Hi >>>i think sedation is the easy way, a shortcut for people who dont want to spend a little extra time! we have a good dentist but she only comes here now and then and she doesnt sedate. But the last two times I had to let my vet do it and he sedates. In terms of dental sedation it depends a lot on what they are doing. If they are doing incisor work they need to sedate because of the power tools they must use. If incisor work is not done and the horse has a 'smile' - middle two incisors the longest going to shorter, then when the back teeth are done they don't meet properly because front teeth are too long. Not many dentists are trained to do incisor work and of course lay dentist cannot, and IMO, should not, sedate horses as they don't have the training. Many of our older horses have worn down incisors from scraping their teeth on salt blocks. We used to be upset by this but our older horses front teeth are appropriately worn down. I have a friend here from England who has been an equine dentist for 8 years and is now taking the first Equine Dentistry university degree course in the world (it is in England). She is aiming to do a Phd on how various types of feed have an influence on wear patterns, and not just the regular hard grass vs soft grass but the actual minerals etc. She came just before the starting young horse clinic and with my vet sedating she did most of the young horses in the course. Several of them had retained caps and if they are not removed the pressure of the halter, sidepull or bit is very unpleasant for the horse and causes 'resistance' to any pressure against the face. Of course if they have wolf teeth IMO they should be removed before horses are bitted. We recently got in several horses that had been in training and there were complaints from the people training the horses that they were uncooperative. None of their teeth had been done and all of them had sharp points and many of them wolf teeth. Since the sharp points were causing ulcers on the inside of the cheeks it was no wonder that the horses became less and less cooperative as they were worked. Another case of there is always a reason. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] 'Hollow"
That is so cute. Maybe Hunter needs a mini donkey in his life. There are two pygmy goats where he lives and he shares his beet pulp mash with them. It's quite a sight to see the two fat little goats slurping this soupy mess right along side a very lean horse. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Coolwater Kate arrives here from Australia a bit off topic
thanks for posting Karen... terry likes to take pictures of the horses he travels with. I will send others once she is shed out and cleaned up a bit. She is way prettier.
Re: [IceHorses] Talisman
a pretty talisman: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=6403935 janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Talisman
where do i find a saddle talisman wanda?!?! I need one. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Rocky Mountain Horse
An article about Rock Mountain Horses: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GaitedHorse/pending?start_at=1 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Coolwater Kate arrives here from Australia a bit off topic
> GORGEOUS leopard appaloosa mare. I saw the picture! Very nice! I had a black and white leopard Walkaloosa named Cookie. She was a very good horse. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] 'Hollow"
I'm curious what you mean by "more heart than brains". There's a man up in Washington state with lots of experience using TWH's for saddle horses, long horseback trips in amazing wilderness areas and endurance. He thinks they're not the smartest horses he's been around. I can never telll if Hunter is brilliant or a little slow. He sure learns some things. Part of the ride Saturday was quite rocky and we were pulling up to a walk every time we came to rocks. It didn't take long for him to start slowing down on his own when he saw a rocky stretch ahead. He also knows I prefer racking downhill to trotting and will switch on his own. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] 'Hollow"
I have to keep fox in with the icelandics so he wont get a lot to eat. like my icelandics he is prone to chunkiness if given too much feed. He eats about two coffee cups of grain twice a day and is weigh taped at 1380 pounds. and i have NO grass just two big armloads of hay twice a day to each horse. yiii janice
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Icelandic Gelding 3
Karen Thomas wrote: What gait is this icelandic doing? http://iceryder.net/videogaitice3.html My guess is that I'd find this horse very comfortable to ride in the gait he's showing here. Is he being ridden in a curb bit? Well, then, you'll just have to come try him some time and see! That's Kopar and his former owner. And I am so happy to hear he foxtrots :-) I think it was either a curb or Tom Thumb bit he was being ridden in. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Gotta Feed The Horses
On 7/10/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Video: > > http://iceryder.net/videoclickerpeggy.html Too cute. I saw the practice version a few weeks ago. Anna
Re: [IceHorses] Pseudomonas
> maybe we know you better :) its like i read somewhere "we spend our > whole lives trying to keep people from seeing whats really inside, > when the truth is if they could see they would be purely blinded by > the beauty and light" We all need to remember that, I really like that saying, thank you for sharing... Debbie in MN Huginn's Hospital Fund sites http://iceryder.net/ravenhuginn.html http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp Please send pictures/info for Our Fundraiser Auction to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we all do a little, we will have a lot
Re: [IceHorses] 'Hollow"
Oh wow - he does have a pretty head. And I thought Hunter was the only pretty-headed TWh out there. I have people ask me (when he's not moving) if he's an Arab or part Arab. Of course, that's probably because most endurance horses are. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
On 7/11/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >There is an equine dentist in our area who floats without sedation. He > None of our horses have ever been sedated for floating. It's unusual > to sedate for it here. > > Mic > i think sedation is the easy way, a shortcut for people who dont want to spend a little extra time! we have a good dentist but she only comes here now and then and she doesnt sedate. But the last two times I had to let my vet do it and he sedates. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] The Age of a Horse
The Age of a Horse anonymous verse To tell the age of any horse Inspect the lower jaw, of course. The six front teeth the tale will tell, And every doubt and fear dispel. Two middle nippers you behold Before the colt is two weeks old. Before eight weeks two more will come; Eight months the corners cut the gum. The outside grooves will disappear >From middle two in just one year; In two years from the second pair; In three years "corners," too, are bare. At two the middle "nippers" drop. At three the second pair can't stop. When four years old the third pair goes. At five a full new set he shows. The deep black spots will pass from view At six years from the middle two; The second pair at seven years; At eight the spot each corner clears. >From middle "nippers" upper jaw At nine the black spots will withdraw. The second pair at ten are bright; Eleven finds the corners light. As time goes on, the horsemen know, The oval teeth three-sided grow. The old horse has more "whoa" than "get" We keep him only for a pet. This old-time verse is courtesy of the annual Old-Time Horse Farmers Gathering in Blackville, South Carolina.
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
> There is an equine dentist in our area who floats without sedation. He > just lets the horse move if it wants to and is very patient. Of all the horses we've owned, we have never had a horse sedated for floating and it's never been a problem. There are just too many things that can go wrong with sedation so I never do it unlesss absolutely necessary. -- Laree
RE: [IceHorses] What gait, black TWH gelding
Pace? Yep. He's a very pacey boy. Did you look at the e-mail where I sent a group of pictures of him? I'd like to see what people see in those. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Coolwater Kate arrives here from Australia a bit off topic
What a pretty Appy. Glad she had a safe (if long) trip. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Coolwater Kate arrives here from Australia a bit off topic
I'll try to send some pictures to someone on this list who knows how to put them somewhere because she is a super nice looking appy. I don't even like appaloosas! LOL! How about this one from Terry: http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2845326540030063638ktCAgQ She's very pretty, Bia. And since I have a very nice App, I'm kind of partial to them...despite the colors! :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM
RE: [IceHorses] 'Hollow"
here are two pics of me riding fox. The first pic is me riding him relaxed in the yard. to me he isnt hollow? The second pic is the very first time i ever got on him. I think he looks hollow, for him. He is very nicely naturally gaited, but when nervous and afraid the head goes up and he saddleracks. To me, he looks horribly, horribly hollow, Janice. In all the pictures, he looks dangerous too, downright menacing. To save yourself from harm, you need to send that horse somewhere safe...like to NC, maybe... :) That is one drop-dead gorgeous horse. He got lucky when you rescued him...and you may have been a little lucky too. Beauty and gaits - that's nice. How long have you had him now? I well remember when you got him. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
>There is an equine dentist in our area who floats without sedation. He None of our horses have ever been sedated for floating. It's unusual to sedate for it here. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
