Re: [IceHorses] what the heck is this
I recall when Trausti got stung by something and his mouth, head, and neck swelled up... got pictures somewhere. > > My Trausti...? Yes. Gotta go to my old computer to retrieve the pictures. He swelled up really fast and we put an emergency call into the vet. I'm racking my brain trying to think of what we can use to put in his nostrils in case they swelled shut before the vet came. Angela ran up to the house to get some fish tank tubing along with some gel. "Just in case" stuff. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] what the heck is this
>>> I recall when Trausti got stung by something and his mouth, head, and neck >>> swelled up... got pictures somewhere. My Trausti...? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
[IceHorses] Stall Skins
This is interesting, a "skin" for the stall, rather than rubber mats: http://www.stallskins.com/stallskins.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Extreme Cowboy Race
Janice, did you happen to watch any of the Extreme Cowboy Race? It's on RFD-TV (channel 379 on DirecTV). Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] what the heck is this
Looks like a kick to me, could she have been bitten by something? Sylvia ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle
>>> I can't think of another person who enjoys re-engineering her saddle as much as Karen! Yes, I do like playing with tack. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
Re: [IceHorses] what the heck is this
> I'm hoping that's all it is, though it seems to me that last year she > had some swelling on her chest... Gosh, it seems like I've seen that before, but can't remember exactly when... probably wasn't a terrible thing otherwise I probably would remember it. I recall when Trausti got stung by something and his mouth, head, and neck swelled up... got pictures somewhere. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Icelandic Horses For Sale
Here are some adult riding Icelandic Horses for sale: http://iceryder.net/alfasagaforsale.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle
>One thing I have to say about the Sensations - I can't think of another >saddle with so many ways to adjust it for the rider. I can't think of another person who enjoys re-engineering her saddle as much as Karen! Sue
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic Horses for sale
Wow, he is sure a beauty! Where do you live? How much are you asking for Theotore? Jean
Re: [IceHorses] cowhocks
>is yours NICE? Yes, he is very very sweet. He can be very naughty to and I think only those that have them know what I mean by naughty. It all comes down to it has to be his idea, not mine.
[IceHorses] OT -Huginn's Fund Raiser & Online Auction
Hello, Many of you are aware that my pony Huginn has been very ill for over a month now. Huginn spent 10 days at the U of Minnesota Vet Hospital. Huginn still has a haul ahead of him and we are hopeful that he will make a full recovery. Many of Huginn's friends have generously donated funds, tack, other items and personal time to help raise funds to help with Huginn's vet bills. Please take a peek at this page to see if there is anything that you may want to bid on. There's an awesome Hawaii Trip (Airfare NOT included) up for bid. http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgtrq74d_386xtqp For more info, please visit http://iceryder.net/ravenhuginn.html Thank you so very much for your wonderful support, and all the love you have sent Huginn. I truly believe that it has been your thoughts, prayers, support and healing energy that has helped Huginn get through this past month. You are so wonderful! THANKS Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] what the heck is this
It would be unusual to have that much swelling from congestive heart failure that rapidly without her having other symptoms. I bet she was kicked or stung by something. Renee ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [IceHorses] Re: What the heck is this?
On 23/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, let's hope there's another explanation. Holly had an odd lump on her > chest once from a kick that swelled, then the swelling sort of settled and > "sagged". Let's hope it's something that simple. Has it been there long? It wasn't there last night when I put them to bed. Kevin feeds in the mornings, and I'm sure there could be horns coming out of her head and he would miss it. She's out in the pasture happily eating, I'll check her again after the sun goes down, and again in the morning. She doesn't seem uncomfortable at all. Wanda
[IceHorses] Re: What the heck is this?
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> Good grief...a pic in one of my vet books is very similar and they call it a ventral oedema "which is the result of a heart condition." > > Oh, let's hope there's another explanation. Holly had an odd lump on her chest once from a kick that swelled, then the swelling sort of settled and "sagged". Let's hope it's something that simple. Has it been there long? > I've also seen something like this on a horse's chest from a hard kick, it was really quite large. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Re: What the heck is this?
>>> Good grief...a pic in one of my vet books is very similar and they call it >>> a ventral oedema "which is the result of a heart condition." Oh, let's hope there's another explanation. Holly had an odd lump on her chest once from a kick that swelled, then the swelling sort of settled and "sagged". Let's hope it's something that simple. Has it been there long? I'm sure Saga and Tifa would want me to tell Mama/Grandma Kria that all will be fine, and that they send their love... Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse
>>> I do think that I could become develop a partnership with a horse like this, I'm sure it would take some time. I think it would have to be with no expectations from him, letting him decide when he is comfortable. I think that's very hard for most people to do - to have no expectations. I also think it's what a lot of rehab horses need. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
[IceHorses] Re: What the heck is this?
On 23/07/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kria was 23 this spring, so she's a little older, but still in great > shape physically..with a good appetite. I'm not sure if I should be > worried or not. I've never seen this before. Good grief...a pic in one of my vet books is very similar and they call it a ventral oedema "which is the result of a heart condition." Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle
I've seen there are many riders here that love their Sensation saddles but are there many that have tried it and for some reason didn't like it or it didn't fit (rider or horse)? I think the saddle fits a LOT of Icelandic horses. I have 15 riding age Icelandic horses and I can use it on every one. I'm sure there are some Icelandic's it wouldn't work so well on, but that's a pretty high percentage of horses that it works for. One thing I have to say about the Sensations - I can't think of another saddle with so many ways to adjust it for the rider. You can move the stirrups forward and back to suit the shape of your pelvis, any hip pain, etc. They offer pommel and cantle "bolters" - little pillow-like pads that Velcro on so you can shape the saddle so that it's exactly as you need it. And, of course, you can add some padding to your channel pad to make further adjustments. I don't know of any other saddle that compares. My husband is a big guy, 235 pounds, and his horse goes very well in a Sensation. I'd be hesitant for him to try one of the less structured saddles like the Barefoots. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
[IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Kaaren Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As > long as I was there, Gylfi was always standoffish when we would go out every > few days to do a visual & head count of all the horses. I was interested > in him because of his size (very stout & tall) and wonderful sire. The > horses you could get close to, were checked more carefully... the not so > easy ones checked as best she could given the sheer numbers of horses. No > one could get within 40 feet of him without a good deal of time taken (which > Elizabeth did not have much of). I had been out with Elizabeth on her acreage a couple of times and I remember one horse who was beautiful, but she said he was "special":), like very sensitive, I seem to recall he may have been started/sold and it didn't go too well. I doubt it was this same one, I think he was a palimino, very big and beautiful. When Elizabeth > had her dispersal sale in 2001-2003, rumor had it that he was placed with > someone who had experience with sensitive, shy horses as a companion horse, > which is apparently where he still is. He must be about 16-18 now, perhaps > someone who is very experienced & had the time could train him under saddle > after any medical issues were ruled out. Some horses do better having > appropriate handling from an early age being exposed to everything humans > have to offer gradually rather than everything all at once when they are > started under saddle. If I had the room & the funds, I would take him > myself to live out his life as a companion, but unfortunately I do not . I also would be willing to take a horse like this, I'm just in no position right at the moment. I'm still boarding my horses out for now, and it would be no place for a horse like this. I do think that I could become develop a partnership with a horse like this, I'm sure it would take some time. I think it would have to be with no expectations from him, letting him decide when he is comfortable. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Vinney's trailer loading and gelding experience
By the end of the day, he was > loading and unloading by himself. I also left him > there because I could control his food and water > intake better. Perfect! I've heard of plenty of NH types who talk about how horrible it is to leave the horse w/ the trailer and put food and water in the trailer so the horse needs to go in to get it. I say, if it works, is safe, and is humane and kind, then that's the way it ought to be done for that horse. I had a similar issue w/ my Icey colt--my trailer is a step-down, and he had only been in a ramp trailer AND was turned around so he could go out front first. I wanted him to be handy enough to back out of the 2 horse trailer, and clicker training was what worked for us. His problem was that he simply didn't understand that he COULD back out. (He'd load fine, backing out was the issue). I wonder if he thought that he would fall if he backed out. But the clicker training worked great! Robyn S.
RE: [IceHorses] Starting the young mares - pics from today's session
>>> My trainer who is so cool. Pedro, snaps his fingers over my horses back and she side passed over to the mounting block. I don't know if you saw the pictures I took of my husband with this mare yesterday. He had her standing at the mounting block, while he leaned on her, but he missed several steps in getting there. For one, he moved the mounting block to her, not her to the mounting block. My husband is good at the rough training, especially the desensitizing stuff, but he doesn't yet "get" the steps needed for the deeper, finesse skills. Today, Shirley worked on quietly getting Maja to step up herself. I don't know if you could hear her comments, but at one point she commented that Maja is very comfortable with people at her head, where she can see them clearly, but not so comfortable yet with people at her side where she can't see them so well. She made progress today, and the next time will be still better. There's no rush. We want her comfortable with each step before we proceed. One step at a time...this time literally. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Starting Maja under saddle - video series from this morning
>>> awesome karen! She is whse mother?? Kola? She is so beautiful. Yes, Kola's mom. >>> I liked seeing Shirleys little boy scampering around, and the sauntering >>> through the scene cat haha There's always at least one cat underfoot, a dog or two in the background, but the little boys (Shirley's son, and my nephews) are growing up...Wonder where I can find some stray barn kids to replenish the stock...? :) In one of the last videos, you may be able to hear the little boy coaching Maja - "Just one or two more steps...You have to get up even." Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Starting Maja under saddle - video series from this morning
awesome karen! She is whse mother?? Kola? She is so beautiful. She wants to smell everything like stonewall. he is very curious about smells. and acts the same way, like he want to very casually sneak a smell of something, like maybe it is bad herd behavior, rude, to smell things :) I liked seeing Shorleys little boy scampering around, and the sauntering through the scene cat haha Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Re: [GaitedHorse] Vinney's trailer loading and gelding experience
thats the only way we can get our donkey into a trailer humanely. He's only been hauled like 4 times in his life and to get him in a trailer you either have to pick him up one at each end like hes a recliner chair or something, thank goodness he's never been a kicker, but he weighs around 4-500 i would think. Last time I had to take him to the vet he hurt his little foot and could barely limp and i felt so bad making him try and step up when he could hardly put weight on his foot (he got stepped on while attacking all the big horses as usual, his job in life apparently) but my husband got a panel gate and using the trailer door sorta made a ever-narrowing enclosure so finally he had no choice but to step up in there. At the vet I had them do everything to him while still in the trailer. but donkeys are like husbands. If they arent taught to do new things within six months after birth, then you can forget it for life. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Vinney's trailer loading and gelding experience
I've been working the past 2 weeks on getting Vinney to trailer load in order to get him to the vet for his gelding. It wasn't going so good. I was consistantly getting his front feet on and no further. I have an older 2 horse straight load step up trailer, and I did take the partition out to make it look bigger, but he just wouldn't get those back feet up. When I added pressure, he would go backwards and I didn't really want to work him hard outside the trailer because of his age. I just didn't think hard work on the end of the lunge line was a good idea at his age. Yesterday, just when I was contemplating cancelling the appointment at the vet and spending the extra $45 for a farm call, I decided to get some of my portable corral panels and block his escape route. He got his front feet on and when I added pressure and he went backwards, he ran into the corral panels, and his fight was over. He went right onto the trailer! I loaded him several times, put hay in the trailer, and left him there in the makeshift pen attached to the open trailer. I would occasionally go out and load him without a halter and lead and we also practised closing the doors. By the end of the day, he was loading and unloading by himself. I also left him there because I could control his food and water intake better. This morning, he went right on the trailer when I asked him, and off to the vet we went. His gelding was over in 15 minutes from the time he went down, and 15 minutes later he was on his feet. 10 minutes from that, we were getting back on the trailer with no resistance and we were home free! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandic Horses for sale
What horse is for sale? I am selling my QH and will want another Icelandic to keep my pony happy. If anyone knows of a baby for sale reasonable let me know. I don't really ride so I like to have them as babies. I would love to cart. That would be my dream. I saw my first baby the other day, Willow is her name. She is the riding horse for a doctor/surgeon that just loves her totally. He said she will be with him until she dies. She is eight and he is fifty something. Wonder who will last longer? I am buying a helmet and getting a ride on an older tried and true horse. I was badly hurt eight and a half years ago. Broke eleven bones. Sylvia ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
[IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse
Actually none of the usual scenario with Gylfi. For a few years in the late90's I helped Elizabeth in my spare time as much as I could as she was very overwhelmed with too many horses, not enough help. When I was there, Elizabeth Haug started many of her horses after they had been out running in a herd of about 150 horses on 1,000 acres. She used her snythesis of "Monty Roberts" type work with her own natural horsemanship type methods. She had a lot of horses, so some of the 1,000 acres guys weren't handled much except to worm & give shots until they were started around age 4. As long as I was there, Gylfi was always standoffish when we would go out every few days to do a visual & head count of all the horses. I was interested in him because of his size (very stout & tall) and wonderful sire. The horses you could get close to, were checked more carefully... the not so easy ones checked as best she could given the sheer numbers of horses. No one could get within 40 feet of him without a good deal of time taken (which Elizabeth did not have much of). I am not experienced enough to start a sensitive horse & Elizabeth did not have the time, so I passed on him. As far as I know he lived out the next several years on the 1,000 acres. I heard later that someone tried to start him after I stopped helping Elizabeth, but it did not go well, so he was just left out with the herd as there were soo many other horses who were easier to start. When Elizabeth had her dispersal sale in 2001-2003, rumor had it that he was placed with someone who had experience with sensitive, shy horses as a companion horse, which is apparently where he still is. He must be about 16-18 now, perhaps someone who is very experienced & had the time could train him under saddle after any medical issues were ruled out.Some horses do better having appropriate handling from an early age being exposed to everything humans have to offer gradually rather than everything all at once when they are started under saddle. If I had the room & the funds, I would take him myself to live out his life as a companion, but unfortunately I do not . Kaaren
Re: [IceHorses] Starting the young mares - pics from today's session
My trainer who is so cool. Pedro, snaps his fingers over my horses back and she side passed over to the mounting block. Then he taught her to lay down so I could get on if I was hurt or not able. I have Multiple Sclerosis. He is getting my boy as soon as I drive him up there. He was gelded last month. Yeah. Sylvia ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
[IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When i introduced myself to a woman at a driving demo who had an icey > the first words out of her mouth when i told her about nasi were "make > sure when he is ready you send him to a traditional icelandic trainer, > no matter how far you have to ship him or how much you have to pay, it > will be so much better in the long run for him to learn to tolt in the > correct way" and I am thinking wow. i was a little speechless.Why? > It's just deja vu for me. I can't really count how many times I have heard this. Let me pick one:) I remember there was this German girl who was visiting LA and was riding this Icelandic horse, who was just bought real cheap for these people's daughter, they didn't realize he was Icelandic until someone told them, he obviously was, and was gaited too. So I asked her if she was going to train her own horses back in Germany, she sort of freaked out and let me know that of course she wouldn't be doing that, these were very good horses (unlike mine I guess:)) and she would be having them professionally trained to avoid a chance that she might mess up their gaits. You know, in my naturally gaited horses, I don't think I could mess up their gaits even if I tried, granted I actually do know how to ride gaited horses well:) Kim
[IceHorses] Re: Icelandic Horses for sale
I know Theotore, having ridden out quite a few times with his owner & with Allesia who so caringly "took over" both horses when his owners husband was very ill. Nice to look at & nice in personality. He deserves a wonderful "forever" home. He's quite safe to pull a cart & is quite a flashy cart horse..totally dependable. Kaaren
RE: [IceHorses] Oat Hay
The oat hay I saw out in CA looked just like straw. "Straw" is normally the old, dried stem part of oats or wheat, so if it were cut late, it was essentially straw. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
[IceHorses] Starting Maja under saddle - video series from this morning
Rather than try to work a horse myself when Shirley came by today to work Maja for Cary, I elected to get some videos of her working with Cary's beloved Maja, so he can watch tonight. I was able to upload 9 short videos to You Tube, ranging from about 25 seconds to about three minutes, representing about a 45-minute session. It was pretty low-key, but Shirley found some holes that Cary had missed. Maja appeared pretty relaxed through the whole thing, but you will see her yawn several times. I think that is because she's a little more stressed than she lets on, not because she's bored. In the final video, she got a little distracted by some herd politics going on in the adjacent pasture, but even so, she remained calm...just distracted. We do proceed VERY slowly, so don't expect these to be very exciting. They are numbered incrementally, Maja 1 - Maja 9. The first video, Maja 1, is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkDHaaXqgCA Maja 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUBf7Z3P9Js Maja 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jS5ZwuGsHA Maja 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrsOM8_0YRY Maja 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BdA7pEh258 Maja 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcaOgcy6wd8 Maja 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx0lp0jVp_0 Maja 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1oK4RFXU58 Maja 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5FxJ9uKxmo Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Oat Hay
Laree Shulman wrote: > Does anyone know anything about oat hay? Has anyone ever fed it? I > was told it was higher fiber hay - is that a bunch of bull? > > I was told it can be quite high in sugar so not good for Cushings or IR horses. The oat hay I saw out in CA looked just like straw. Starri will eat anything but even he left alot of it on the ground (this was before I started researching haystarted researching alot of things with Starri :-) ). It was cheap. Trish P.S. There was also a hay out there called 4-way (oat, rye, wheat and alfalfa).
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar
On 7/23/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and i am not interested in gait analysis for how can I get him to be > smooth etc, i am interested because he has changed in the last six > months and now i think he has a hunters bump, a sign of pelvic floor > damage. > > > Can you get us a picture of the hunter's bump? Are you sure that's what it > is? i can find pics from before and then get a new one and you guys can help me decide if its bigger, but I swear there is a sudden large lump at the point of his butt, and it happened once before and went away. I showed it to the vet and he acted like well, he aint lame so dont borrow trouble... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar
Krisse has this one... it's a stepping pace. I really don't believe that it's a stepping pace either - the timing on the set down isn't going to be that closely lateral. I also don't think you can draw the yellow lines like you did, not in the rear leg anyway. I think you'd have to look at the leg from the hip joint down, and the foot is squarely planted almost directly under the hip. I wouldn't say there is any angle in the left rear - just the normal hock angle, but that the leg itself is pretty much straight. If I had to guess, I'd say walk, not even a pacey one. It just doesn't look to me like there's much speed involved... Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
[IceHorses] Re: Sensation saddle
> I've seen there are many riders here that love their Sensation saddles > but are there many that have tried it and for some reason didn't like it > or it didn't fit (rider or horse)? I'm thinking of Sensation as one > alternative for my horse (that I don't even have yet, still over a month > till she arrives) but I would have to order it from abroad without ever > even seeing Hi Krisse, I think there are not that many people who try them and don't like them. That being said, they don't fit every horse, as previously mentioned, the ones with prominent spines. Do you know what shape your new horse's back is? Any pictures? That reminds me, I still have not had a chance to upload the back measurement templates. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Oat Hay
The horses eat it but weren't crazy over it so usually had something to munch on all day. I've never used oat hay personally, but I know that some horses love it. It's often more expensive in our area than fescue. Maybe it's a regional thing - and I'm sure it would depend on whether it was far enough along to include the grain heads. We feed fescue and Bermuda. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar
and i am not interested in gait analysis for how can I get him to be smooth etc, i am interested because he has changed in the last six months and now i think he has a hunters bump, a sign of pelvic floor damage. Can you get us a picture of the hunter's bump? Are you sure that's what it is? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 7/22/2007 7:02 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle
-Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Skise >I realise this has been a much discussed topic but I've been horseless >for years and slso this has been very "North American" topic... >I've seen there are many riders here that love their Sensation saddles >but are there many that have tried it and for some reason didn't like it >or it didn't fit (rider or horse)? I'm thinking of Sensation as one >alternative for my horse (that I don't even have yet, still over a month >till she arrives) but I would have to order it from abroad without ever >even seeing one before I reseave it. Seems quite a gamble. >Krisse in Finland I think you would be able to resell a Sensation in Europe if it is not the right saddle for you. Phil Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Oat Hay
Does anyone know anything about oat hay? Has anyone ever fed it? I > was told it was higher fiber hay - is that a bunch of bull? > > -- > Laree Oat hay was a popular "cheap" hay in Ca. when you couldn't get anything but alfalfa. It can be very high fiber, close to straw, but if baled when in flower or with grain heads, it can be very high in starch. The better oat hay is not considered a good hay for insulin resistant horses. Cherie
[IceHorses] Donations for Huginns Heart Gifts
Hi guys, Gena and I have been working on all the wonderful donations you can see them on the various links below.. there are many ways to donate to Raven's huge Vet bill, thanks so much for taking a look, bidding, buying, donating or sending Energy to Huginn... we also have a treeless saddle to add, that our friend Deb donated... so it is not to late to add items... If you have questions let us know.. there are some nice Art pieces and candles, jewelry if you don't want or need horsey items.. so take a look... I love the Pencil Drawings... wow, they are beautiful... Forwarded Message from Gena below! Stuff that has been donated to help Raven out: www.walkonaire.net/huginnsheart You can see information by clicking on 'info' and leave comments or bids via email or the 'comments' or 'feedback' buttons. also, have an amazing, wonderful, SUPER high end dressage saddle on Ebay right now. I'd so hoped it would be my 'forever saddle' for Liberty, but alas, she's shaped a little wierd and it's pinchy on her. A saddle comparable to this one would run you AT LEAST $2500 in today's market. I've ridden in it less than two dozen times, I'd guess... several times on trails (COMFY) to a dressage clinic, and just for schooling as well. I'd been saving it for 'good'... but as it turns out, that's like buying a wedding gown at age 18 and size four, saving it for 'good'... and 'good' finally comes when you are 29 and a size 10! http://tinyurl.com/2babxo If I can get the 'buy it now' price or better, I'll send $75.00 to Raven's vet. I wish I could do more, but I can't. It's always something -- today it's $100 to get soem dirt brought over to fill a mini-sinkhole that opened up around one of our fenceposts (Not in the mini-paddock.. in the yard-yard. Fortunately, dogs are smart and they refuse to go near it. I am woman, hear me roar... I have shovel and 'tamper'.. hear me moan for the next three days! gena (please, oh Great SPirit of the Internet, Let this URL work properly!) -- -- Debbie in MN ~ Please check out how we can all help raise money for Huginn's Hospital Fund ~ http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~~~*If we all do a little, we will have a lot!!!*!
Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??
On 7/23/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry Janice, he's still moving laterally. > > Wanda > oh well whew! at least that makes sense! Is it his stepping pace or hard pace? Janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle
i think sensation dealers are very open and honest about what horses dont do well in them. very heavy riders and horses with very very prominent withers/spine are not good, with the spine tho you can use a pad with sims. The dealers are very helpful and honest about it. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar
and i am not interested in gait analysis for how can I get him to be smooth etc, i am interested because he has changed in the last six months and now i think he has a hunters bump, a sign of pelvic floor damage. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar
>>> Here is Jaspar's picture with the other horse's legs removed. I think we have at least two different reasons for looking at what gait pictures. One is for the general education of the list. I think this is a bad example for general education, since it's not really clear to me about the speed or timing. But, if we are looking to try to help Janice determine what's going on with her horse, and this is the best she has at the moment, then I think it's worth looking at. But, I'd ask Janice to try to get a better picture whenever she can, and video would be better. And, I'd want to ask Janice how it felt from the saddle - not that she was riding him when this one was taken. If the pictures aren't clear, and I don't think this one is, I'd go with the rider's feeling any day. BTW, are we even sure that he's going faster than a walk in this picture? Two things that strike me as more important than this picture...that she says that Jaspar has a good, easy canter, and that she's thought he's felt more trotty at times lately. I'd rather pursue those angles than quibble over this one picture. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Sensation saddle
I realise this has been a much discussed topic but I've been horseless for years and slso this has been very "North American" topic... I've seen there are many riders here that love their Sensation saddles but are there many that have tried it and for some reason didn't like it or it didn't fit (rider or horse)? I'm thinking of Sensation as one alternative for my horse (that I don't even have yet, still over a month till she arrives) but I would have to order it from abroad without ever even seeing one before I reseave it. Seems quite a gamble. Krisse in Finland
Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??
On 23/07/07, Skise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm very new to all these gaits and very bad telling the gaits from > another from a single picture so I'm asking how do you tell this is > foxtrot? To me at the moment the horse looks quite lateral, both left > legs are pointing forward (left hind still under the horse and left fore > just coming down) and both right legs are pointing back (has just picked > up the hind and is about to pick up the fore). > > Krisse I think you're right Krisse. Good eye. I totally missed that. Sorry Janice, he's still moving laterally. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Oat Hay
I used to feed oat hay to supplement pellets/reg hay. The horses eat it but weren't crazy over it so usually had something to munch on all day. IIRC it was very high in one mineral according to the Feed Requirements for Horses publication, iron? Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
[IceHorses] Oat Hay
Does anyone know anything about oat hay? Has anyone ever fed it? I was told it was higher fiber hay - is that a bunch of bull? -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar
On 7/22/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is Jaspar's picture with the other horse's legs removed. > > Which legs are working closer in timing, the diagonals or the laterals? > > What gait? the diagonals?? does that mean a foxtrot... you know how I am. I am like jaspar, the lite at the end of the tunnel is always a train. why is his gait changing all of a sudden at age 9?? is he dying?? does he have osteoporosis?? janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??
On 7/23/07, Skise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm very new to all these gaits and very bad telling the gaits from > another from a single picture so I'm asking how do you tell this is > foxtrot? To me at the moment the horse looks quite lateral, both left > legs are pointing forward (left hind still under the horse and left fore > just coming down) and both right legs are pointing back (has just picked > up the hind and is about to pick up the fore). > > Krisse > I see that too Krisse, so I cant wait to hear the answer. He has always been very pacey, and a sign of pace when i look at a picture is feet on one side all moving in the same direction, which is the case here, BUT, a sign of foxtrot to me, something i always see is that the front legs appear to be very extended and walking while the back feet seem very hoppy and prancey. which he is doing. so again, i cant wait to hear the answer :) I can tell a stepping pace from the saddle cause the movement is side to side... but seeing it is hard to tell. and I can tell a trot usually cause the legs on one side form a V thats how I tell :) not very scientific haha Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic Horses for sale
aw man what a cool horse! janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] re: Cow hocks
On 7/22/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> now theres a handsome guy :)- > > Be sure to tell Curly Ray that I think he's the flashiest spotted donkey I > know too. :) > > Karen Thomas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I would like a bumper sticker that says "kiss my spotted ass" Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??
>To me at the moment the horse looks quite lateral, both left > legs are pointing forward (left hind still under the horse and left fore > just coming down) and both right legs are pointing back (has just picked > up the hind and is about to pick up the fore). I agree Krisse, I don't see anything even approaching diagonal. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??
On 7/23/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Absolutely. Jaspar looks nice and relaxed in the pictures you've sent > recently, so if he can be relaxed, and do something more diagonal, I'd take > that as a very good thing, Janice. > > > Karen Thomas, NC > yes, even my husband says jas acts like he KNOWS he has been elevated to status of "beloved Obi-Wan" who doesnt have to do the real hard jobs anymore :) I think I coulda got another five years out of his back even WITH me riding him like a mongrel across the steppes all those years if I hadnt ridden him in a Tucker saddle. I hoenstly believe that... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Companion Horse
On 7/23/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > that's what trial periods are for, i think. i didn't buy one icey i > > really liked b/c his owner would only allow a return if he showed signs > > of sweet itch within two weeks. the period i negotiated for stjarni was > > much much longer, and included suitability for stated purposes. > > > > --vicka > > > > > thats interesting... everybody here in fla who has allergies knows it > takes a year or two being exposed to something before your body starts > building up a defense (allergy) against it. Two weeks for an allergy > to show up is nothing. > Janice > -- > yipie tie yie yo > antigens. thats the word. takes a year or two to build up antigens. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] ALERT - Natural Balance RECALL 7/21/07
there are also people foods recalled, for botulism i think! one is for casselbury corn beef hash i think... janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse
On 7/20/07, Kaaren Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry to chime in now, but haven't had the time to follow this thread. Is > Gylfi by any chance a red-bay, very large beautiful gelding that was bred at > Viking Saga Ranch by Elizabeth Haug??? If so , I know this horse from when > he was out here & may be able to give the current owners some backraound > about his early training that may help them both. Please contact me off > list or by phone (805) 688-2503(CALIF). > > Kaaren > I wish you could tell us what happened to Gylfi Kaaren... but hmmm, lemme guess... traditional icelandic training with a tiny narrow saddle and a noseband so tight his skin bulges over the top of it, head cranked way up to force a ventroflexed form so it will rack no matter what, forced to be willing (is that a paradox or what)... am I right? Seems to be a common theme i think... but still people do it again and again. like moths to a flame. When i introduced myself to a woman at a driving demo who had an icey the first words out of her mouth when i told her about nasi were "make sure when he is ready you send him to a traditional icelandic trainer, no matter how far you have to ship him or how much you have to pay, it will be so much better in the long run for him to learn to tolt in the correct way" and I am thinking wow. i was a little speechless.Why? Here is Nasi, beloved all his life, treated like a little lamb, sauntering around without a care in the world, not a fear in the world, he would literally step off a cliff if you asked him to. then when he is ready to be put under saddle, which would be a little stressful under the best of terms, a big life change, suddenly ship him on a long long trailer ride to a place where they subject him to fear and pain on a daily basis for at least 30 days, then a long haul home and what do you think i would get?? he tolts now. if i did all that he would tolt AND be riddled with issues. maybe even make it to the ever growing icey rehab list we got going here, maybe even to the hall of fame of infamy, the ones who get passed around sold and resold over and over for life to unsuspecting aging housewives looking for a sweet horse to ride on a pleasant sunday afternoon in the tranquil woods... not a bolting bucking maniac. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??
On 7/22/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That does look like a fox trot to me. His back must be getting healthy... > I dont know about that Wanda! I was noticing this weekend his hunters bump is back. And he has been on light duty for months now! a hunters bump is supposed to be a sign of torn or damaged cartilege/ligaments in the pelvic floor from racking, especially. He has never been a racker or anything else fast for that matter. I think he just has such a bad conformation maybe anyway. I dont mind him being on light duty, I have many horses to ride, and he can be my parade/posse search and rescue/flag bearer/4H show horse forever, thats ok with me, and he isnt lame, but that bump just tells me he has a weakness somewhere in the rear end. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Stripes
thats bizarre! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Companion Horse
> > that's what trial periods are for, i think. i didn't buy one icey i > really liked b/c his owner would only allow a return if he showed signs > of sweet itch within two weeks. the period i negotiated for stjarni was > much much longer, and included suitability for stated purposes. > > --vicka > thats interesting... everybody here in fla who has allergies knows it takes a year or two being exposed to something before your body starts building up a defense (allergy) against it. Two weeks for an allergy to show up is nothing. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Was: No Room .... now bolting, running through the pressure
also, in regard to problem horses, iceys in particular bolting, if you have ever lived through a bolt, which i have a couple of times, both occasions when i was so young (5 years old the first time) I didnt even know to be afraid, there was a clear sensation that the horse was mindless. Now the thought terrifies because I know now a mindless horse can bolt into a wall or highway or tree and kill hisself and you also. the breeder of Jaspar et al told me he was on a volted horse once and he bailed off when he saw she was headed for a big tree and when he hit the ground he heard her hit the tree and she broke her neck instantly and died right there. He said he also saw a horse bolt and hit a tree and break its neck out of fear when lightning struck in the field. but how does it get to this mindless state? Where does it begin?? I think it must be total terror, or like on Parelli, a feeling that if they keep on they will break thru the pressure. I wish you could see the show with parelli cause it is so clear. He is riding a horse and trying to get Storm to listen and Storm just suddenly takes off and parelli on his horse does too, and Storm just bolts faster and faster and parelli is saying there he goes trying to run THROUGH the pressure and then he suddenly just hunkers down and pure bolts and does indeed run THROUGH the pressure. then he is free, and relaxes and stops on his own. parelli said it had learned that pressure was something you could break thru. interesting Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Was: No Room .... now bolting, running through the pressure
and parelli's POINT was that you can teach a horse with the thinking side of his brain that comfort can come from giving to pressure. janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Was: No Room .... now bolting, running through the pressure
I am not a parelli groupie as so many are. and every time his name comes up you see a couple of posts that he's not all that great, etc. But watching this storm series, where you, the viewer, and Linda, got to see the video sent in by the owner, so WE know the horse's issues and Parelli doesn't, its just mind boggling how he pegs the horse 100% from the ground. The horse has been for all intents TAUGHT to rear by people who confused him lungeing. And we know that, Linda knows that, and after parelli has worked with the horse about a half hour and the horse hasnt reared once, parelli says "I bet this horse will rear if I do this, because someone has taught this horse he has no where to go but up watch this, and he moves forward snatching the lead and the horse rears. also after about four episodes he says "remember back and you will see this is a horse that resisted pressure at every moment, so why ever expect him to NOT resist it... why work him on the ground and have him resist pressure every single time he gets it and then get on him and expect him to suddenly respond to your pressure." I think I will check and see if you can buy this series on his website. for one, its like anything else on RFDTV, they never give you the WHOLE series in hopes you'll buy it instead of taping it and loaning it to all your friends... But this series to me is the clearest demonstration of watching a horse go from bracey and resistant in every way to totally thinking and relaxed and LISTENING and wanting out of open curiosity to see what the human wants him to do next... also in this series he talks a lot about Dorrance and things he learned from him and others and that was insightful. but I am happy they seem to talk like this is a series and when they get done with storm another horse is forthcoming.. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Parelli and Storm series
I guess Parelli working with STorm isnt a video set you can buy yet, and I see by this program guide i got from the website that he is almost done with storm. But on the 25th we start a new horse "Pedro" so I will try and VCR this series and maybe we can swap them around. Did anyone happen to tape the "Storm" series? I did, but on my Divo digitally and i dont know how to tape that or share it. I will try. janice Program Details For more information about RFD-TV, please visit www.rfdtv.com. June 6, 2007 Episode 404 "Storm" Day 1, Part 4: Pat Parelli plays "Put your nose on something" with Storm to build communication. June 13, 2007 Episode 405 "Storm" Day 1, Part 5: Pat Parelli uses approach and retreat to build trust with Storm. June 20, 2007 Episode 406 "Storm" Day 1, Part 6: Pat Parelli uses patience and persistence to help Storm with thresholds June 27, 2007 Episode 407 "Storm" Day 1, Part 7 : Pat Parelli helps Storm achieve a major threshold break through. July 4, 2007 Episode 408 "Storm" Day 1, Part 8: Michelle and Storm demonstrate a whole new level of understanding and trust. July 11, 2007 Episode 409 Pat and Storm Day 2: Pat saddles in preparation for riding. July 18, 2007 Episode 410 Pat and Storm Day 2: Pat and Storm take a ride. July 25, 2007 Episode 411 Meet Pedro, the Friesian who's owner says he's lazy, pushy, won't go, and tries to buck when ridden. August 1, 2007 Episode 412 Pat meets Pedro for the first time, turns him loose in the arena and the games begin. August 8, 2007 Episode 413 Pat plays catching games with Pedro and then teaches him leadership games on a 45-foot Line. August 15, 2007 Episode 414 Pat halters Pedro and teaches him to respect the human's space and communication. August 22, 2007 Episode 415 Pat introduces the "Drive Line" and how to use it to direct the horse's movement. August 29, 2007 Episode 416 Pat prepares Pedro for trailer loading using obstacles and the Seven Games. September 5, 2007 Episode 417 Pat introduces Pedro to a more natural and creative way to load into a trailer. -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] The boys
The bugs are tearing Tivar up! He is my only horse that rubs against poles and trees to scratch for the bugs. Now I go out every morning and find his fly mask and put it back on. It must be too big for him or something. and I am thinking of a fly sheet bless his heart. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Starting the young mares - pics from today's session
i think horses are best of all creatures at perceiving intent. I can take my crop and whack jaspar or stonewall as hard as I can between the ears to kill a yellowfly and they dont blink. But if I take the crop and wave it at jaspars face when he goes to snatch a bite of weeds on the trail he gets very offended. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] skunks?
skunks are almost extinct here. they say because now and then rabies or distemper spreads thru the population and almost wipes it out. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] cowhocks
oh my god i am in SHOCK there are two of them!! They must be twins separated at birth! is yours NICE?!? Mine is a little brat head! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] west nile problem
On 7/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My Peruvian Paso died shortly after his shot for West Nile Virus made by > Fort Dodge. He was sick with in hours and it took three days for him with > fluids > and meds going down to have him put down. We took spinal fluid for exam after > he was dead and it showed spinal meningitis of some form. He was a healthy > beautiful six year old gelding. This was several years ago when the shots > just came out. Sylvia in California > oh my gosh this is scarey! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Clinic Report
By Laura: Well, I survived my first clinic and LOVED it! Carol Coppinger was the instructor and wow is that woman fantastic! To be honest, I was terrified to ride my horse in a large arena with 10-12 other horses in a halter and leadline. But by Saturday morning, she had my mare Fate and I working well together. Fate even let me sit on her while she was laying down! Then that afternoon the riding portion came up I spoke with Carol about not feeling good about riding Fate in the arena and she stopped me there. She said she didn't need to know the whys, whatfores, etc. Just that I was lacking confidence in that area was enough. There was absolutely NO pressure and she asked me if I ever rode her. I said I did, but only with her bit and bridle, and only in the arena by ourselves. But the roundpen I could do anything on her. Carol just smiled and said that the roundpen would be where we would work. Not only that, but that we would have passed our pushing passenger by the end of it. Carol was completely right! Her calm and jovial presence helped us do our 3 step up mountings, our ride the rails, pushing passenger at the walk and trot (and a canter Carol missed while helping someone else! LOL). My emergency dismount went perfectly and in the end we had passed every task on the level one list but a couple of things we simply ran out of time for! So hopefully in the next couple of weeks I will videotape those and have my level one done The best thing about the whole clinic though was that 15 minutes of Fate laying down, grunting with pleasure as I scratched her and sat on her wither. The assignment had been to back through an obstacle... everyone was doing it... but Carol said since Fate wanted to bond, we were bonding... so we did the backing obstacle later. I know there is a lot I will remember as the week goes on... but all in all it was great. Laura E. Alaska
Re: [IceHorses] ALERT - Natural Balance RECALL 7/21/07
Skye, I thought the same thing, Debbie in MN ~ Please check out how we can all help raise money for Huginn's Hospital Fund ~ http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~~~If we all do a little, we will have a lot
RE: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??
>>>#87 - Eliminating resistance in your horse's mouth.Some horses throw >>>their head up as a result of sudden pain, or fear of one, in the mouth. Of >>>course, when the head goes up, the back goes down and the hind legs trail >>>out behind - complete disengagement.. Interesting that there's another reference to the "trailing legs" we talked about a few weeks ago, in relation to disengagement. >>> Way to go... Absolutely. Jaspar looks nice and relaxed in the pictures you've sent recently, so if he can be relaxed, and do something more diagonal, I'd take that as a very good thing, Janice. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Was: No Room .... now bolting, running through the pressure
>>> today i watched another episode of pat parelli and Storm, what an awesome >>> series. anyway. in there he is riding a horse and with a long long carrot >>> stick teaching Storm to give to pressure. at one point storm just took off >>> galloping and parelli said "there he goes he's breaking through there he >>> goes!" and he left them and went to the other end of the arena and parelli >>> said "thats what a horse does when you are riding him and he bolts, he goes >>> on through the pressure. if you can't get a horse to give to pressure on >>> the ground you wont be able to make him give to pressure of any bit if he >>> wants to run through it". I really wish I could get DirecTV, but we have to choose between shade and the satellite dish, so we finally gave up and switched to cable. I wish I could have seen that. That's the premise that caused me to get so annoyed with the casual use of the term "goey" in this breed. Way too many horses I've seen labeled "goey" in this breed are actually "running" - away from something like pain, or through the pressure - I've started thinking of that as "mental pain." I heard of one more troubled horse last week that drives this point home. The thing that saddens me so much is that this is about the third time I've heard this particular horse discussed - the first couple of times were on the list, and the last time I heard about privately. This time, the "goey" horse has dumped his newest owner a couple of times, and has bolted with another family member once or twice. I have no idea exactly what's up with this horse. Could it be that he's in pain? Could it be that his owner is petrified of him? Could it be that he was started with force, and certain tack or ways of riding could be triggering panicked memories? Could he simply have a little more energy than some horses? I guess it could be any one of the above, but probably by now is a combination of more than one cause. I don't think it's fair to call this a "goey" breed. Sure, there are some horses in this breed with higher innate energy levels than others. But, there are also a number of what might be called "low energy" horses, even lazy ones. Loftur was a bolter at one point...and he's one of my lowest energy horses. I've come to think that "bolting" in this breed is rarely associated with energy level, but is usually a form of running away from something, or running through the pressure as Parelli called it. >>> at the end he was riding him with no bridle or halter at all, using two >>> carrot sticks to ride him, even made him back up with the two sticks,. it was awesome. That IS awesome...but it was also Pat Parelli, whose horsemanship is light years ahead of most of us mere mortals. I guarantee you that horse was not immediately "cured" - I'm sure those memories will be with him for a long, long time. With a good, sensitive rider, hopefully he won't recall those memories again Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Starting the young mares - pics from today's session
Our motto: Training is always easier than RETRAINING! We aim for zero remedial work, even if we go very slowly. >> Oh, that's a good one!!! We'll have to remember that quote. We learned that the hard way, from our own mistakes...as well as from the mistakes of others. I so wish I had not made so many of the mistakes I did with Holly. For several reasons, that mare developed a hard brace in her neck - what might be called a "hard mouth" but was actually all over her body, particularly in her head in neck. I took her to a clinic with Dave Seay, and it took even him about two hours to learn to really give to the bit, and he specializes in problem horses. Holly didn't really appear to anyone there to be a "problem horse" - she certainly went through the motions of being well-behaved most of the time. But, until I got her relaxed, we were at a brick wall - I couldn't improve her gaits, I couldn't really do anything with her. I could go on and on with other examples in our herd. I know I'll never actually achieve the goal of zero remedial work, but at least with it as a goal, we seem to get SLIGHTLY closer to that goal with each young horse we start. Karen Thomas, NC
