[IceHorses] The Bucket List

[Judy Ryder]

Just saw a tease on the new movie called The Bucket List.

What would you want to do / accomplish (horse-wise) if you knew you were 
going to kick the bucket within a month?


Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com 

RE: [IceHorses] OT - Cesar's Way

[Mary]

It's called the "wolf Treatment"...Learned about it decades ago in school
(one of the reasons I don't like Cesar is that it all seems like a big "DUH"
to me)...it should only be done when the dog in question does NOT see you as
pack leader.  I had to do it to my Dreyfuss...she was a complete knucklehead
as a pup and by 6 months, it was clear she didn't respect me as leader.
Have never had a problem since

But Cesar isn't doing anything new...

Mary, LVT

Re: [IceHorses] Maya Angelou Quote

[Nancy Sturm]

Yes.  I'm not sure if this is what you have in mind, but I was giving my 
friend Gayle my standard lecture on being fair and honest with horses - I'm 
sure she didn't really want or need to hear my opinions on the subject, but 
she was, as always, polite.

Nancy 

[IceHorses] Re: FW:horse scam - horses.............reply.................payment

[blessiowner]

--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all
> 
> This is an example of the type of scam that people will try and pull 
with
> buying a horse with a bogus check and have you send the balance of an 
amount
> back to them.  

Hello All,
I was looking to buy a horse trailer last year and I found the 
following copy of an email exchange posted on The Horse Trailer World 
discussion forum.  The trailer seller (legitimate) has a lot of fun 
with the scam artist "buyer" who claims his wife is selling her china 
hutch so the poor family can live in the horse trailer.  The seller 
keeps the chain going by claiming more and more fantastic options for 
the trailer such as tail hooks to keep the horse steady and skis for 
icy days in the Dakotas.  The payment was to come by some sort of 
Western Union scam.  The entire email exchange is enlightening.

http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/thread-view.asp?
threadid=7153&start=1

Regards, Pamela

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Fw: Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[Robyn Hood]

Hi Janice

>>My horse stonewall doesnt do well in crowds, and I know he isn't
claustrophobic, which is what I was thinking when I wrote that.

Why do you think he doesn't do well?  Obviously something is a problem for
him about it?

Robyn
Icelandic Horse Farm 
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com

 

  
 

[IceHorses] February NC

[pippa258]

>>In case anyone is interested here are dates I will be in NC, also someone 
>>near Tyron, NC is interested in organizing a weekend which I am not sure 
>>about yet.<<

Hi Robyn,

I would most definitely be interested if you come to Tryon as that's my 
hometown.  I think I might know the person in Tryon who is interested in 
organizing a clinic...I've talked on the phone to a fellow Icey owner when a 
local tack shop put us in touch with each other.  

Trish

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Fw: Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[Janice McDonald]

> While those would be the obvious signs of claustrophobia and Whisper is not
> visibly claustrophobic she definitely has problems with groups of horses
> around her and the suggested exercises would be helpful for her.  The whole
> concept of the TTEAM work is to 'chunk down' an exercises,  instead of
> increasing pressure to get what you want we find a slightly deviation in
> direction and come back to the road you wanted to be on.



yes, i think TTEAM is probably great for any horse really!  My horse
stonewall doesnt do well in crowds, and I know he isn't
claustrophobic, which is what I was thinking when I wrote that.  ghe
gets super excited.  But i rescued a paso once that was claustrophobic
and wouldn't go near other horses in the field and would not even eat
if other horses were around, he was so afraid.  Pitiful really.  He
would not go thru any gate.  he was just very crazy and there was no
hope for him with me.  I found him a good home tho after giving it my
all to try and help him.

The problem with this horse that i think was hopeless, and Stonewall
too, is that things dont seem to stick.  You can spend hours, weeks,
months getting them used to something and then the next day, you have
to start over.  Whats UP with that.  Its very frustrating.  And like
with Stonewall, situational spookiness.  he is fine with everything,
even bulldozers operating, roaring fires, but a blue milk bottle cap
sends him flipping out.  So you work hard getting him used to blue
milk bottle caps til he is fine witht hem.  then take him off from
home and he sees one on the road and jumps sideways.  I am about at
the end of my rope with him. I am now just praying he will mellow with
age.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Horse grahics I thought I would share with the group

[Raven]

Very cool!! Did you make those with Photoshop?
Raven
Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.

[IceHorses] Maya Angelou Quote

[Judy Ryder]

 "We should always be at war with injustice. Always.
In our families, in our selves, in our neighborhoods,
in our cities, in our states —- we should always be on
the other side from injustice."

— Dr. Maya Angelou 

Does this apply to horses, and if so, how does it
apply?

Judy 
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com 

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Behind The Vertical

[Janice McDonald]

> > >http://www.ciaclub.net/photos/photos/olil07-07.jpg
> > >
> > That's SO behind the vertical it's virtually rollkur. Yuck.
>
>
> Anyone happen to know who the rider is?
>


hey lets give her the benefit of the doubt.  maybe the poor dear is
like my husband.  he wallers around up there like a big sack of
concrete and if the horse takes off on its own, (the horse is never
ever given any command or cue whatsoever.  my husband rides according
to whatever the horse chooses to do) then he is suddenly thrown way
back and to keep from flying off over the rump, he holds on by the
reins, which puts the horse behind the vertical.  His horse Traveller
as a result has been accidentally trained to always proceed at a
mincing tentative plodding walk, a sort of walking on eggs dogwalk
that looks like he has pain in his hoofs or something.  But one good
thing is he has learned that if my husband DOES indeed flip over the
rear and land in the dirt, to stop instantly so as to avoid any undue
pulling on the mouth.  Which is a good thing since my husband hasnt
fallen once ever without his foot being hung in the stirrup.

but now he is too heavy to ride Traveller so he is riding Fox, who is
tendermouthed.  So when he starts to fall and hauls back on the reins
Fox starts dancing vigorously sideways with his nose way out and his
mouth gaped, eyes rolling wildly.

I make sure his insurance policy doesnt lapse...
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Fw: Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[Robyn Hood]

Hi Janice,
>>i have experience with a claustrophobic horse.  If whisper has no
problem entering a trailer, stall, small washrack area, going thru a
narrow (people sized roundpen gate) then she probably isnt
claustrophobic.

While those would be the obvious signs of claustrophobia and Whisper is not
visibly claustrophobic she definitely has problems with groups of horses
around her and the suggested exercises would be helpful for her.  The whole
concept of the TTEAM work is to 'chunk down' an exercises,  instead of
increasing pressure to get what you want we find a slightly deviation in
direction and come back to the road you wanted to be on.

Robyn

Icelandic Horse Farm 
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com

 
  

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Behind The Vertical

[Karen Thomas]

>> That's SO behind the vertical it's virtually rollkur. Yuck.


 Anyone happen to know who the rider is?
http://www.ciaclub.net/photos/photos/olil07-07.jpg


I'm not sure.  Might it be the same rider in the last picture at the bottom
of this page?  http://mountainicelandicfarm.com/training.html  If so, it
looks like she trains and gives lessons...



Karen Thomas
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Re: [IceHorses] first ride

[Anna Hopkins]

On 1/8/08, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> check your brush...  my Jaspar is very very outspoken about brushes :)
>  In fact he prefers a face brush all over but unfortunately that won't
> get the job done :)  also selenium levels can cause skin sensitivity.
>

Sounds like my QH/TB Calvin.  I had to use the softest brushes on him
and when it was cold - forget it - there was no brushing him.  With
Falki, he just seemed a bit overwhelmed by the constant attention at
first.  He didn't let me hug him.  I taught him to back away from me
with clicker and I wonder if he thought he had to back away from me
anytime I came close.  He's gotten much better.  I just make sure to
reward him with a click and treat for standing still when I'm at his
side.  Like you said, it's interesting to learn how they are and what
they like/dislike.  I really don't think his skin is sensitive, but
I'll keep that in mind.

-- 
Anna
Southern Ohio

Re: [IceHorses] Cavallo Article / FEIF's answer

[Anneliese Virro]

On Dec 31, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Mic Rushen wrote:


On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:35:07 -0500, you wrote:


 I’m sure there was a
noseband, and I think it was dropped – maybe Mic has the picture.


Here she is. Pics by John Freeman. It's a flash.

Mic

Good Lord, Mic - how awful. Who is the rider? It better not plan on  
meeting me in a nice private place. I'd be tempted to commit a crime.  
The poor helpless horse!!


Anneliese

[IceHorses] Re: Behind The Vertical

[Judy Ryder]

> >http://www.ciaclub.net/photos/photos/olil07-07.jpg
> >
> That's SO behind the vertical it's virtually rollkur. Yuck.


Anyone happen to know who the rider is?

Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com 

Re: [IceHorses] branding/tattoos

[Janice McDonald]

you could always just do what I do---  when a hurricane is coming I
paint my phone number on each side of my horse in gentian violet, in
numbers large enough to be seen from a helicopter.  that way it won't
be like when Hurrican Andrew hit, I was watching CNN and you could see
horses running down the freeway in panic and the reporter in the
helicopter was saying "if only we had a phone number to contact the
owners".

it has to grow out.

Janice
-- 
yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Fw: Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[Janice McDonald]

i have experience with a claustrophobic horse.  If whisper has no
problem entering a trailer, stall, small washrack area, going thru a
narrow (people sized roundpen gate) then she probably isnt
claustrophobic.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] FW:horse scam - horses.............reply.................payment

[Janice McDonald]

On 1/8/08, Nancy  Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> That hard part for me was that this was probably just the horse I needed.  I
> wanted to have a pre-purchase done, at  my expense,  before I traveled so I
> would not waste a trip in case he were not sound.  Because of her recent
> experience, she was unwilling to do that and I ended up buying a nice local
> horse instead.   I still sort of wish I'd made the trip.
>
> Nancy
>

i went thru something similar with nasi.  The seller had her vet say
he was healthy.  But I insisted on an independent vet check.  So to be
really independent, I couldnt ask the seller to refer someone so I
contacted a vet thru the yellow pages.  He examined nasi and said he
had a slightly elevated temp and he would not sign off on him as
healthy until he treated him with this very expensive very large jolt
of antibiotics.  Nasi had no illness symptoms whatsoever.  the vet
suggested he do bloodwork.  the seller was paying for all this.  I had
a trip scheduled to go from fla to texas and pick him up on a certain
date.  The bloodwork came back fine.  but he said the horse's temp was
still elevated.  By one degree.  The seller hauled his dam, and two
icelandics from a nearby farm for temp to be taken.  they all seemed
normal but nasi, his was one degree elevated.  The independent vet
wanted to do more bloodwork.  The seller finally said, look, I am into
this for more money than I am willing to spend right now. (almost 500
bucks)  I suggest you either buy him on my vet's statement that he is
healthy, get another vet at your own expense,  or wait a couple of
months and lets see if he starts showing any symptoms of illness."  It
was two weeks til my trip date.  I finally paid myself for him to have
the large antibiotic treatment of shots, four shots, one each day
consecutively, the seller having to haul him in each day, a perfectly
healthy horse.  It was just a huge pain.  Then when I get there the
seller says "well, I didn't think you would take it well if I told you
the vet you selected was sort of known for being disreputable."  So
how is a person supposed to know??

heck, you dont need a nigerian to get ripped off...
Janice
-- 
yipie tie yie yo

[IceHorses] Stepping Out Quote

[Judy Ryder]

"I've never been afraid to step out, and to reach
out, and to move out, in order to make things happen."

— Victoria Gray

Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com 

Re: [IceHorses] teev saddlefit

[Janice McDonald]

> I was just looking at the Tucker with the extra wide tree endurance similar
> to yours but I emailed them and no answer as of yet. That is good to hear that
>  is fits Teev and how big is he and does he have a round flat back? Sylvia
>


it doesnt fit Teev Sylvia!  not at all.  even tho he has a long long
back the saddle was too long for him.  The wide tree seemed ok if I
could have seated it further back.  I don't think this is a good
choice saddle for most icelandics.  most have way shoter backs than
Teev.  I put the saddle pad on my nasi for instance, he is 3.5, and I
didnt even bother with the saddle cause the saddle pad is an exact fit
for it and it was halfway over his butt!
janice--
yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] first ride

[Janice McDonald]

check your brush...  my Jaspar is very very outspoken about brushes :)
 In fact he prefers a face brush all over but unfortunately that won't
get the job done :)  also selenium levels can cause skin sensitivity.
as for the raking, sometimes people do things so differently at other
places, using different types of equipment...  I know it isnt really
related, but i had an incident very recently.  We were working on
something and it was nice out and we left the door open and the house
filled with flies.  We have an aversion to using pesticides in the
house.  So I got out a fly swatter and had a field day whacking flies.
 Next thing I notice my dog earl is GONE.  It took forever to find
him, under the house, cowering and trembling.  We had to half lift him
and shove him into the house and he ran and hid under the bed.  I
actually phoned the guy who gave him to us and asked had he ever
whacked him with a fly swatter.  He laughed and said no.  then we
remembered  when earl first came to us when he was bad we would
take a rolled up newspaper and whack the floor beside him, not hitting
him, but the noise was punishment.  me whacking at flies for a couple
of hours must have traumatized him no end with him cowering and
wondering what he had done.  We felt bad about it...

But I can rake around Jaspar's back feet but STonewall can be kicky if
startled and Tivar will dance away.  Tivar hates a bath.  But he came
from dry california where it probably didnt take all day for him to
dryand he hated being bug sprayed when he came here, but Ann in
Calif admits she barely had to bug spray him there.  here you have to
bug spray winter and summer.

its always interesting to find what pushes your new horse's buttons.
Yesterday Tivar came up to me at liberty while I was filling the duck
water pool and he was sweaty from running and I put the hose on light
mist and it was the first time ever he asked at liberty for a hose off
and stood for it.  That was a break thru really since when he first
came to me he purely hated to be hosed.
Janice--

-- 
yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] FW:horse scam - horses.............reply.................payment

[hrausta]

I had this sort of scam tried on me last year by "John White.".  After the
first contact I realized it was a scam, so I emailed him back that "due to
a leg injury I had high vet bills, so I needed to raise the  price."  This
didn't phase John.  Eventually he sent me four what looked  like
legitamate money orders for more than the original  amount of the filly,
$5000.  I was supposed to send him my check for $1500 to an address in, of
course, Nigeria.

My last email to John I told him he was an a--hole, and not to mess with
me.  Never heard another word.

I still have the money orders.  I will be happy to forward them to anyone
that would like to cash them, just send me back $1000 (:>).

It was fun while it lasted -

Janet
Caliente, California

[IceHorses] Quote on Changes

[Judy Ryder]

"Change means movement. Movement means friction."

— Saul Alinsky

Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com 

Re: [IceHorses] February NC

[Cherie Mascis]

>someone near Tyron, NC is interested in organizing a >weekend which I am 
>not sure about yet.

Robyn,

Could you let me know if you do something in Tryon, NC?  That's only 1 1/2 
hours from me.

Cherie
Western, NC 

Re: [IceHorses] California Folks?

[Lin Campbell]

  At home in Ben Lomond in the Santa Cruz Mts we have recorded 10+ inches 
beginning Thursday evening.  Never lost power for long, but friends in Lompico 
and Love Creek area have been without power for 3+ days as of yesterday.
   
  Lin
 


   
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Re: [IceHorses] teev saddlefit

[gemstonerotts]

 
In a message dated 1/5/2008 5:52:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 
I was just looking at the Tucker with the extra wide tree endurance similar  
to yours but I emailed them and no answer as of yet. That is good to hear that 
 is fits Teev and how big is he and does he have a round flat back? Sylvia





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Re: [IceHorses] FW:horse scam - horses.............reply.................payment

[Mic Rushen]

If you want a laugh, have a look at this site:
http://sweetchillisauce.com/ntales/

It's a guy who takes on the scammers.

Mic


Mic (Michelle) Rushen

---
Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: 
www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
---
"Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"

[IceHorses] Re: Fw: Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[susan cooper]

> > Seems like Susan is on Laree's mind this morning
and mine, too.  Didn't you send those videos from the
helmet cam after the levie broke?,,

Hi, Judy forwarded these to me.  I went no mail for a
while from here to take a break.  I sent those videos
to the Gaited Endurance List.  Everything is fine
here.  The levee that broke was about 10 miles from
me.  Sad to see so much damage and most had no flood
insurance.  Makes me want to get some!  I have pics
somewhere of our own trails flooded when our resevoir
had too much water in it a couple of years ago.  You
just never know!

> > Obviously,  I'm thinking about eating and horses -
pretty much my usual state.<<

Mine, too,especially in winter!!

> > On page 85 of the Ultimate book, Linda Tellington
Jones mentions horses "that stay away from other
horses, appearing to be low in the pecking order"<<

Funny, I was just on Amazon's website trying to figure
out which book to buy.  Maybe I'll get that one. 
Whisper just doesn't fit the "typical" horse mold.  

Thanks for thinking about me.  I will stay no mail for
a while, tho.  Maybe untill I get more sunshine and my
mood improves.  I'm rather thin skinned these days.

Susan in NV   
  Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/
   
  Disclaimer
  CAUTION: DO NOT DRIVE WITH HOT COFFEE IN YOUR LAP



  

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Re: [IceHorses] FW:horse scam - horses.............reply.................payment

[Judy Ryder]

> This is an example of the type of scam that people will try and pull with
> buying a horse with a bogus check and have you send the balance of an 
> amount
> back to them.  I knew this from the beginning - the first email is at the
> bottom of the email but wanted to see how they would respond..


Thank you for forwarding this!

"i live in kenturkey"

Yes, I'm sure she does wherever kenturkey is.

"Her" informal type posts in the beginning differ very much from the more 
formal last message.


Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com 

[IceHorses] Small Ansur For Sale

[Judy Ryder]

For Sale - 2002 Ansur classic pony size (13" seat). 
Havana brown, comes with matching stirrup leathers,
child size safety stirrups and 13" white cotton
braided dressage girth with white faux sheep cover. 

This is one of 2 child size Ansur's featured on their
web site
http://www.ansursaddle.com/reviews/lauren_testimonial.html

Good condition.  Original photo on Ansur's site.
Current photos available. $1550 shipping included.  

Contact email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IceHorses] February NC

[Karen Thomas]

  February 17-21, 2008  Davidson, North Carolina (near Charlotte). TTEAM 
 Training with Horses. Teacher: TTEAM Instructor Robyn Hood. Contact: 
 TTEAM


Do you have an agenda?  And the fees for auditors and participants?  That's 
probably about an hour and fifteen minutes from us - depending on traffic 
which can be a bear.


Karen Thomas, NC

[IceHorses] February NC

[Robyn Hood]

Hi
In case anyone is interested here are dates I will be in NC, also someone
near Tyron, NC is interested in organizing a weekend which I am not sure
about yet.

February 17-21, 2008  Davidson, North Carolina (near Charlotte). TTEAM
Training with Horses. Teacher: TTEAM Instructor Robyn Hood. Contact: TTEAM
Office 800-854-8326 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Our 2008 dates are on our website www.icefarm.com/work.html

Robyn
Icelandic Horse Farm 
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com

RE: [IceHorses] OT - Cesar's Way

[Robyn Hood]

Hi Penny,
>>On the surface it doesn't look so bad but if you "think like a dog" and
put yourself in the dogs' "shoes" you will see that there is a LOT of
forcing the dogs through things; he uses a lot of flooding techniques
(which, if you ever experience, can be really damaging).

Well put, I couldn't agree with you more.

>>Some of what he says really does make sense, too.  Dogs really do need 
exercise (although - to the point of collapse might be a bit much in most 
peoples' books), companionship, boundaries

Some of what he says does make sense and lots of dogs don't get enough
exercise but there is an extreme.

Robyn

Icelandic Horse Farm 
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com

 

 
 

Re: [IceHorses] OT - Cesar's Way

[Karen Thomas]

 even with your dog on a leash you always have to worry a loose dog will 
 come up and attack.  Is nice to have a leash on your dog to  scurry him 
 outa there.


OK.  NOW, I realize why I had the awful nightmare that I did last night.  I 
dreamed that Cary and I were out playing with the dogs and cats in the side 
yard, when suddenly I noticed that there was a COUGAR romping in the midst 
of us all.  I was trying not to panic, but at the same time figure out how 
to get us all inside to safety, and away from the friendly neighborhood 
mountain lion.  It was this off-leash talk that had me worried about my 
dogs.  Sheesh. I woke up about 4:30am and couldn't go back to sleep.

There were two foxes romping in the back pasture with the horses 
Sunday...but I didn't see any cougars, thank goodness.  (There shouldn't be, 
in my neck of the woods, anyway!)

Karen Thomas, NC

Re: [IceHorses] OT - Cesar's Way

[Penelope Hodge]

>
>> He'd grab the dog by the choker collar and hold his head
>> down against the couch or his leg.
>
> I never noticed anything like that in the episodes I've watched.  I'll
> have to pay closer attention.
> V
>

On the surface it doesn't look so bad but if you "think like a dog" and put 
yourself in the dogs' "shoes" you will see that there is a LOT of forcing 
the dogs through things; he uses a lot of flooding techniques (which, if you 
ever experience, can be really damaging). Sometimes those techniques "work" 
because people see the short term results but those dogs do NOT trust him; 
they just do things because they fear the consequences of not doing what he 
orders.  He doesn't allow them time to process or learn properly.

Think of your biggest fear - now, how about if someone forced you to do that 
"thing"  (by choke collar) without giving you the tools to do it. Suppose we 
put you on some big warmblood and chased you through a cross country course 
(5 foot fences), pinching your neck every time you wavered. You might get 
through that - but - would you trust that person, would you want to do more 
for that personwhat would happen if that person suddenly needed you to 
be "there" for them - what would you do?  Would you happily learn new things 
and keep your curiosity?

Some of what he says really does make sense, too.  Dogs really do need 
exercise (although - to the point of collapse might be a bit much in most 
peoples' books), companionship, boundaries

Penny 

Re: [IceHorses] California Folks?

[Lynn Kinsky]

On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Laree Shulman wrote:

>
> It said on our news that someplace in CA got 11 FEET of snow - I grew
> up in northern OH and we got some big snows but I just can't imagine
> 11 feet.

Try the Sierra mountains and the ski resorts.  Heavenly Mountain near  
Lake Tahoe shows a big spike during the storm  
(http://cdec.water.ca.gov/jspplot/jspPlotServlet.jsp? 
sensor_no=11696&end=01/08/2008+08: 
13&geom=small&interval=30&cookies=cdec02), and Mammouth Mountain in the  
eastern sierra reports 6-8 FEET of new powder from the storm  
(http://www.mammothmountain.com/index.cfm).

All of this is good news for California since much of the state depends  
on Sierra snow pack melt for its water.


Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA
http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm

Re: [IceHorses] California Folks?

[Raven]

>> said on our news that someplace in CA got 11 FEET of snow

that may be the Truckee area?  it's about 30 miles or so from
renowhich does get lots of snow.
love that area!!!raven

Re: [IceHorses] California Folks?

[Raven]

>>more densely populated hillsides of Marin County and the 101
corridor  got most of the coverage on TV.  We're ready for the next
wave and feeling so smug because we didn't lose power at any time.

I love Marin County! I lived in Ignacio back in the late 80's.  I hope
this weather blows over...soon. Raven

Re: [IceHorses] California Folks?

[Ann Cassidy]

> It said on our news that someplace in CA got 11 FEET of snow - I grew
> up in northern OH and we got some big snows but I just can't imagine
> 11 feet.


That was Kirkwood, a ski area that is very high in elevation. They are
thrilled as last year was a bust for the ski areas. Now they just have
to be sure there are no avalanche dangers ( they blow up and set them
off before a skier does) and the crowds will go crazy once they can
get up there safely. It is raining hard again here.

Ann
Bodega CA (the rainy coast)

Re: [IceHorses] California Folks?

[Laree Shulman]

  A light dusting of snow on the highest peaks.  The more densely
populated hillsides of Marin County and the 101 corridor  got most of
the coverage on TV.

It said on our news that someplace in CA got 11 FEET of snow - I grew
up in northern OH and we got some big snows but I just can't imagine
11 feet.

-- 
Laree in NC
Doppa & Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang)

"Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them."  -
William Farley

RE: [IceHorses] OT - Cesar's Way

[Robyn Hood]

Hi Virginia,
>>I never noticed anything like that in the episodes I've watched.  I'll
have to pay closer attention.

The next time you watch it turn down the sound and just watch, we are so
influenced by what we hear that often miss what is really going on.  Watch
for the use of the choke collar - even if there is another collar on the dog
he uses a choke collar to "correct' them. 

Robyn

Icelandic Horse Farm 
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com

 

Re: [IceHorses] Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[Mic Rushen]

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:47:16 -0800, you wrote:

>Mic, remember we're talking Cooking Light here.  This time of year, my 
>horses are probably  all too fat to be part of a light diet.

There's plenty of good lean healthy eating on a FOAL though I'm
sure someone could spare you a few steaks off some of those US born
and bred Icies who haven't been properly trained or handled and have
crap gaits so they're no good for anything else?
; )

Mic


Mic (Michelle) Rushen

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www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
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Re: [IceHorses] California Folks?

[Nancy Peterson]

Here in Sonoma in northern California we got a good 8" of rain but a nice break 
in the storm to allow for run-off  so the creeks didn't jump their banks.  Our 
winds at about 40 mph were calm compared to some other areas.  A light dusting 
of snow on the highest peaks.  The more densely populated hillsides of Marin 
County and the 101 corridor  got most of the coverage on TV.  We're ready for 
the next wave and feeling so smug because we didn't lose power at any time.
Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[Nancy Sturm]

Be very, very careful. If horse burgers start to seem like a good
idea, put the book down and step away from the table

Mic, remember we're talking Cooking Light here.  This time of year, my 
horses are probably  all too fat to be part of a light diet.

Nancy 

Re: [IceHorses] FW:horse scam - horses.............reply.................payment

[Nancy Sturm]

> This is an example of the type of scam that people will try and pull with
> buying a horse with a bogus check and have you send the balance of an 
> amount
> back to them.

When I was first looking for an endurance horse, I talked with an elderly 
woman in Central California who had almost been a victim of a horse buying 
scam.  Fortunately, she took what appeared to be a cashier's check to her 
bank where it was examined and declared not negotiable.

That hard part for me was that this was probably just the horse I needed.  I 
wanted to have a pre-purchase done, at  my expense,  before I traveled so I 
would not waste a trip in case he were not sound.  Because of her recent 
experience, she was unwilling to do that and I ended up buying a nice local 
horse instead.   I still sort of wish I'd made the trip.

Nancy 

Re: [IceHorses] Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[Mic Rushen]

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:37:35 -0800, you wrote:

>Obviously,  I'm thinking about eating and horses - pretty much my usual 
>state.

Be very, very careful. If horse burgers start to seem like a good
idea, put the book down and step away from the table

Mic


Mic (Michelle) Rushen

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www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
---
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[IceHorses] Susan? Your TWH cross mare

[Nancy Sturm]

Seems like Susan is on Laree's mind this morning and mine, too.  Didn't you 
send those videos from the helmet cam after the levie broke?

Anyway, it's storming outside and I have the kitchen table covered with 
reading material, two newspapers, the Cooking Light 2008 recipe book, 
Getting in Tough and  The Ultimate Horse Behavior and Training Book. 
Obviously,  I'm thinking about eating and horses - pretty much my usual 
state.

On page 85 of the Ultimate book, Linda Tellington Jones mentions horses 
"that stay away from other horses, appearing to be low in the pecking order" 
but  may actually be claustrophobic. .  She offers training advice on page 
50.  Since Whisper (is that right?) doesn't like to be crowded by a group of 
horses, it's a possibility.

Nancy 

Re: [IceHorses] Drifa and her friends

[Penelope Hodge]

>>if I have something specific to work on as I find that Drifa can get
>>bracy in it and I don't think that it is specific enough.  <<<
>
> Did you mean that Drifa gets bracey when you ride in the halter?


yes, Drifa gets bracey in the halter; actually her tendency is to get bracey 
so we work on it a lot.

Penny

Re: [IceHorses] OT - Cesar's Way

[Janice McDonald]

even with your dog on a leash you always have to worry a loose dog
will come up and attack.  Is nice to have a leash on your dog to
scurry him outa there.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo

RE: [IceHorses] Saddle Fit Videos (on-line)

[Robyn Hood]

Hi Judy, 

>>Did you see the third video and what he says about adding a pad?

Dave Collins lives in Vernon and he is a really great guy and has a good
massage school.  What I take from that piece of his video is that the saddle
didn't fit to start with - it had pressure in the front and back - so adding
the pad is only going to make that bridging space more.  Adding pads to an
tight fitting saddle is not going to change it.

Like everything there are different opinions about saddle fit.  Like Dave
Genadek, Dave Collins follows the school of using a rocker in the middle of
the saddle to free the shoulders and hips.  I have seen that work in western
saddles pretty well.   

The English saddles that I have seen with this system work less well IMO.
When a horse moves a hind leg forward, the back moves up; the more
engagement from the back end, the more the back must have some space to move
up.  With the Balance saddles the tree is wide enough that the shoulders are
free - there is usually a little bit of bridging in the middle of the saddle
so that as a horse is asked to engage then there is room for the back to
come up.

The one that really knows how the saddle fits is your horse.  Not just the
first couple of times you use the saddle (remember that if one pair of shoes
hurt your feet - changing to any other shoe will usually change the pressure
point at least for a while) but look for the long term.   Look for the
attitude of your horse and not just for soreness in the back.

Robyn

Icelandic Horse Farm 
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com

 


 


  

[IceHorses] Susan

[Laree Shulman]

Has anyone heard from Susan since the levee broke?

-- 
Laree in NC
Doppa & Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang)

"Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them."  -
William Farley

[IceHorses] FW:horse scam - horses.............reply.................payment

[Robyn Hood]

Hi all

This is an example of the type of scam that people will try and pull with
buying a horse with a bogus check and have you send the balance of an amount
back to them.  I knew this from the beginning - the first email is at the
bottom of the email but wanted to see how they would respond..

 

Robyn Hood,

   Thanks for the response.I am satisfied with the condition of
the horses. and the price is okay by me too and I'd like to proceed with the
purchase by making payment with a cashier check which will be sent to you in
the mail and will like for you to email me your detailed data in the below
format for payment to be issued and sent to you.
 
1.your full names as should appear on payment.
 
2.your  contact address where payment will be sent to.
 
3.your home/cell phone number for easy reach.
 
I want to assure you that payment will be issued and sent to you as
soon as you email me the requested details.Expecting to read from you
soonest.
Kind Regards,
Wendy

 

Robyn Hood,

thanks for the mail, pls i want to buy it for my husband is
birthday gift he know more about it that is why i want to suprise him with
the horse okay. 

 

 

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Wendy

Thanks but we don't sell horses without knowing more about the situation
they are going to and the level of rider, you might try looking on
DreamHorse.com for someone who might.

 

Robyn

  _  

From: Wendy Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:31 AM
To: Robyn Hood
Subject: horses.reply

 



Robyn Hood,

  thanks for the mail, pls dont worry about the shipping i will
handle the pickup myself just give me the total cost of the horse okay.

 

 

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Wendy

Are you familiar with riding Icelandics?  Do you have other horses?  Where
would you keep her?   We generally require that people come up to try the
horses because we have a suitability guarantee and that is not so practical
to do at such a distance if people don't try the horse before buying.   

 

We would have to check on the cost of shipping her - I would guess it would
be between $1500.00-2000.00

 

Robyn

  _  

From: Wendy Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:06 AM
To: Robyn Hood
Subject: horses.reply

 


Robyn Hood ,

thanks for the mail, pls i want to buy Skeifa fra Fitjamyri red
pinto born 1991 i want to know the total cost of it okay.

 

 

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Wendy

We have many horses for sale so it would be easiest if you can go to our
website www.icefarm.com   and see if there is
anything suitable from the description and we can proceed from there.

 

Robyn

 

  _  

From: Wendy Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:44 AM
To: Robyn Hood
Subject: horses.reply

 



Robyn Hood,

   thanks for the mail, i live in kenturkey, i will like u
to give me the list of the horse you have okay.

 

 

 

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi

Which horses were you interested in?  Where do you live?  What type of
riding do you do?

 

Robyn

 

  _  

From: mike wendy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: horses

 

Hello
  My name is wendy mike and I'm interestd in buying your horses like
to know your final asking price and the present condition and would also
like for you to email me the pictures or photo.Expecting to read from you
soonest.
Kind Regards
   wendy.

  

 

 

Icelandic Horse Farm
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com 

  _  

From: Wendy Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:27 AM
To: Robyn Hood
Subject: horses.reply.payment

 






 

 

  

  _  

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Re: [IceHorses] OT Gaited Mule Link

[Nancy Sturm]

= It sounds like she needs an understanding new
> owner.

And perhaps some regumate.  Wish she were in Oregon.  One of our daughters 
has always wanted a mule.

Nancy
>

Re: [IceHorses] Runa under saddle

[Nancy Sturm]

 You know he is standing out of his stall
> tonight go figure.

Good point, Sylvia.  Hunter (TWH) takes cover at the first drop of rain, but 
Yrsa and Twist seem to prefer to stand outside in any kind of weather.

Nancy 

Re: [IceHorses] OT - Cesar's Way

[Virginia Tupper]

On Jan 7, 2008 9:59 PM, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> He'd grab the dog by the choker collar and hold his head
> down against the couch or his leg.

I never noticed anything like that in the episodes I've watched.  I'll
have to pay closer attention.
V

[IceHorses] Not spooky about "stuff"

[Karen Thomas]

I forgot to mention that Cary took Runa and I took Angie for a walk along
the trails in the woods on Sunday.  I didn't take the camera, so no
pictures.  Runa has been on these walks many times, and we knew she'd be
fine.  Angie is from another part of the country, so I'm sure the fallen
leaves, the logs, the whole "woods" experience was somewhat new to her.  She
seemed maybe slightly wary, but curious and ready to get out and see the
world.  She wanted to stop and smell everything - leaves on the ground, tree
stumps, branches on the ground, but she was fine.  She ate a cookie off the
"trail monster" - the old metal silo that is on its side along the trail.
She walked along at a steady pace, casually looking around, taking in the
sights, only stopping when she wanted to check out something that caught her
attention.  On our way out, we walked past the fenced back yard with the
charging (but not dangerous!) sand barking pug, Jack Russell and two
setters, and she didn't care.  On to the obstacle course, where she walked
over the bridge and under the shredded tarp without hesitating.  She also
walked over the cavaletti as if they were nothing, and between two upright
barrels that are about three feet apart.


I think it's safe to say that Angie isn't "stuff-spooky."  She also has a
good, healthy curiosity about the world.  I like that.


Karen Thomas, NC



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RE: [IceHorses] Drifa and her friends

[Karen Thomas]

 Heck, I have already been told that I should not be allowed to have an
Icelandi if I'm not going to tolt correctly.  And correctly is so much hold
on the reins that I blistered my tough hands.  Sadly, Drifa and I don't tolt
with heavy contact so we are as incorrect as can be.


When did you get Drifa - maybe about 2003-2004 or so?   I got Sina in 2002,
but didn't join the lists until the fall of 2004.  There were no Icelandic's
in the southeast then that I could find south of KY.  The first person I met
was Anneliese, then she sold two of her horses to someone who lives about 15
miles from me, and she introduced us - she's now best buddies.  Anneliese
didn't have many for sale after Sina, so I went to Canada to look at Robyn's
horses and we bought a gelding and three mares.   So, for about two years we
went merrily on our way doing our own things until I decided to join the
lists.  Wow!  What a change.  I was quickly told on the "traditional" list
that I shouldn't own any Icelandic's if I was not going to get "certified
trainers" to help me.  Sheesh - I knew better!   I'd owned horses for over
15 years then, and I'd NEVER been treated so rudely.   It didn't matter how
many lessons I'd had, how many clinics I'd been to, how many horses I'd
owned, nothing.  Per that crew, NOTHING that worked for other horses could
possibly apply to Icelandic's because they are s different.  Yeah,
right...


I think you've said this too, but gaits weren't the highest trait on my
priority list when I went looking for Sina.   I wanted a 1) safe, 2)
bombproof as possible, 3) short, 4) intelligent and 5) good-natured horse
who would help me through my recovery.  Gaits were kind of neutral to me -
I'd owned gaited and non-gaited horses and basically, I could take them or
leave them.  I knew I didn't want a horse with gaits like Mac, who had
trouble cantering because he was so lateral.   I was looking for a 7-10 year
old well-started gelding who could trot, and ironically, I bought Sina, a
five-year-old, just-started mare with lots of gait.  Anyway, because of her
gait-potential (everything she did was smooth, even her step pace that my
disabled riding seemed to put her in too often) that I got re-interested in
gaits.  So, my interest in gaits is something that Sina inspired me to get
into - if my first Icelandic had been more inclined to do a two-beat trot, I
doubt I would have become so interested.


Funny how the horses we love can take us down unexpected paths...in every
sense.


Karen Thomas, NC



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Re: [IceHorses] Saddle Fit Videos (on-line)

[Judy Ryder]

> http://iceryder.net/videosaddlefit.html


Did you see the third video and what he says about adding a pad?


Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com 

Re: [IceHorses] Drifa and her friends

[Judy Ryder]

>to demonstrate that "it's not about the bit".  I only ride in the 
>halter
>if I have something specific to work on as I find that Drifa can get
>bracy in it and I don't think that it is specific enough.  <<<
>>
>> Penny, not sure what you mean by the above.
>
> Does that make sense?

Did you mean that Drifa gets bracey when you ride in the halter?


Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com 

Re: [IceHorses] Changing Shoes in a Competition

[Mic Rushen]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:36:20 -0800, you wrote:

>Can shoes be changed in the middle of a competition / show / evaluation?

No, they can't. If the horses loses a shoe between classes it can be
replaced but it must be checked by the show vet/farrier/head judge. 

Mic


Mic (Michelle) Rushen

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