Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Yvonne
If you don't know Walter Feldmann who is one of the biggest people in Icelandic Horse riding, > Yes. we have a tradition to ride these horses. You don't. Yvonne, do you see any problems with Feldmann, how he trains, rides, or instructs people on how to ride Icelandics? In the videos, did you see any problems with the horses or riders? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] A better day
> smooth ... absolutely amazing. I had a grin > plastered across my face the > entire time. > What style saddle? Glad you were smiling. You deserve it Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] sweet teev
He Is sweet. It that your real voice, or your baby talk voice? He He. Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[IceHorses] bit question
What is worse? A bit being too big or too small? Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] A better day
On Jan 22, 2008 10:36 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >. I had a grin plastered across my face the > entire time. > > Yay!! Good for you! V
[IceHorses] A better day
The sun was shining brightly today. The Sensation demo arrived by UPS. I unpacked it and went right to Creekside to ride Tosca for the first time since she went in training with Bev. She's still a greeny, but my goodness is she smooth. I've only ridden four gaited horses, a half Arab mare from a very long time ago, the multi-gaited Hunter , Lina (a half sister of our mares) and now Tosca. I have no clue what gait she does, but it is glass smooth ... absolutely amazing. I had a grin plastered across my face the entire time. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] stupid gait
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owwmk5-pwBY&feature=user > > I asked one of the guys sitting around if he knew what gait it was and > he was hispanic and barely spoke english and said "I no know the gait, > but the gait is for show I theenk." yes i theenk too! The video is very poor in terms of showing the horse, but the gait looks like what I've seen SSH's and TWH's (and RM's, for that matter) doing on the trail (and none of those horses had ever been near a show ring). Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
Re: [IceHorses] Bia - Caliente
>> the drive from Marin County, CA t Another place I love!! I lived in Ignacio back in the mid 70's. Wish I had never left CA. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] stupid gait
Yep, that's a winner, Though I like the way the woman's pony tail bounced, very jaunty -- makes me think this is really a smooth ride. LOL Kat
Re: [IceHorses] Bia - Caliente
I worked as a raft guide in the Grand Canyon for 20 years and made the drive from Marin County, CA to Flagstaff, Arizona many many times and every time I saw Caliente I thought that's a place where I could live. Ann Cassidy Bodega, CA
[IceHorses] stupid gait
I could not get a video of this horse and rider to truly show how incredibly stupid a gait someone has artificially cranked onto this poor horse. Someone said she shows him in all the big shows. But what he was doing with all those flatshod natural field trial horses I will never know. he must be for sale, because no way did she take him out on the actual field trial, just pranced all around trying to look hot I guess. ho hum. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owwmk5-pwBY&feature=user I asked one of the guys sitting around if he knew what gait it was and he was hispanic and barely spoke english and said "I no know the gait, but the gait is for show I theenk." yes i theenk too! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Ljori - mounting
haha thats a cool reception place! and dont look half bad neither! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] trialer guy
Here is another view of the young boy gaiting bareback at the field trial. I like the way he is nice and relaxed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN1j21yYPgA Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] sweet teev
here is a nice video of tivar being sweet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exob8zIgFU0 Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Bia - Caliente
> I visited Janet once... not sure if she remembers me going with my then > ass--le boyfriend/farrie, dave...Caliente is so pretty and all the free > range is just great! Hi Bia, Of course I remember you, small, pretty, charming; but I wondered how smart you were with a guy like Dave. I guess you figured it out. As for Caliente - the post office calls this area Caliente, the phone and electric company call us Walker Basin, the real estate people call us Twin Oaks or Piute Springs. We are thriving, we have a small restaurant, Pony Espresso, a general store with restaurant, you can buy milk or beer or dog food or oil, I call it our mall; an excellent mechanic, a few real estate offices and several horse ranches. A lot of people work from home, a lot of us are retired, but also a lot commute to Bakersfield or Tehachapi to work, (yuk). If you don't like the weather, wait a few minutes and it will change. My dogs don't get fleas, I have never seen a mosquito, but you have to watch for rattlesnakes in the summer. There are also a lot of predators, bears, cougars, coyotes, bob cats, etc. Too many ground squirrels! I dump ashes into their burrows in the spring time and most of them go away. You need a few cats to keep down the rodents, most of my cats are feral, all spayed or neutered, some have survived for years, and some don't last too long, but they have a good chance for survival and I keep food for them in the barn. For California the property is still fairly reasonable. There is a home with guest house across the street from me for $375,000. It is all fenced, has a small hay shed, good water on a shared well, all on 20 acres. There is a huge ranch just behind me that you can ride on forever and not come to the end (if you have a key). I have a key, so come on up My 20 acres is perfect for raising horses. My Icies have access to shelter but rarely use it. The terrain is from level to very steep, lots of trees, great for my herd to grow up on. This is Quarter Horse and cowboy country. I sure would like some Icy neighbors to show these guys a real horse... Janet Caliente, California
[IceHorses] The Surprising, even Shocking, history of man on horseback -- was Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
The history of the gaited horse is something that interestes me, here is what I have found in my reading and believe to be reasonably accurate. Dr Deb Bennett's book 'The Conquerors: The Roots of New World Horsemanship" which covers the evolution of horsemanship, and horses, from domestication thru their (re)introduction by the Spanish into the western hemisphere. (If you want to know the deep roots of Vacquero/Californio horsemanship this book will trace it all out in excruciating detail.) Dr Deb uses the word "amble" to refer to all the "soft" gaits. The oldest known text on training horses, 3400 year old and written in cuneiform, is by the Assyrian trainer Kikkulis. This text covers the training of war horses (both chariot & mounted) and he speaks of using 3 gaits: walk, amble, gallop. The trot was to be discouraged because it didn't provide a stable platform for the warrior. " The horses in movies almost never amble, but Kikkulis's horses certainly did, and these facts hint that the modern reader may have to revise his or her mental picture of warfare in antiquity." (page 32) to continue "The road worn traveler, the weak, the obese, the effete, and the pompous are no warriors - and for their own reason these too have always preferred an ambler. Here is another surprise for the modern reader : throughout antiquity and right up until the early nineteenth century, no European of any means ever rode a trotting horse for preference. The equine most desired for war and for travel was one that would walk, amble, and gallop." (page 33) "It comes as a shock to modern students of sport dressage to learn that throughout the "classical period" of equitation all the better- quality riding horses were bred to amble as well as trot. The Renaissance manege not only called for but sought to increase the quality of the horse's ambling gaits" (page 112) As someone has already said, the riding of trotting horses became fashionable in Europe when better roads allowed people to travel by cart/carriage. To ride a trotting horse meant you were rich enough not to HAVE to ride. Luckily, this happened at about the same time as the Europeans were colonizing the western hemisphere -- so they sent the now unfashionable gaited horses to the colonies. If this had not happened thousands of years of breeding might have been lost forever. Our gaited horses are literally the result of about 4 thousand years of breeding for the best "riding" horses. Spanish jennets went to the south and west, they became the Fino, Peruvian, Cracker, & the orginnal american mustang. The hobbies and palfreys went to the east and north, the naragansett pacer and the candian pacers are examples of the early stock and from them come the TWH, Saddlebred, MFT, Mountain Pleasure, etc. The ambling (aka saddle) horse continued to be the preferred mount in the western hemisphere until the turn of the 20th century -- in South America & the Caribbean it still is. It was the horse of choice of US cavalry officers -- maybe the only thing that Generals Lee & Grant had in common was they rode gaited horses. During the time of the great cattle drives a trotting horse sold for around $4 dollars, an ambler went for 10 times that (>$50). If he could afford it, a cowboy rode a ambling (aka shuffler, single footer, saddler) horse. The great Native American war "ponies" were of Spanish jennet decent -- amblers all. Of course the Icelandic has a unique history, having been isolated from other breeds since about 900 AD, recent genetic research show the the Icelandic, Fjord & Shetland form a tight cluster, and together are the closet existing horses to the original cold blood horse of northern Europe. Kat
Re: [IceHorses] video
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xnPXwU0JKsU It's gotten a lot of hits just in less than a day, Mic! Thanks for doing this, and I hope everyone remembers that if we hire or buy from someone who is involved in the show world, we are effectively giving them an "atta boy" approving their behavior, and funding their ability to perpetuate the abuse of the Icelandic Horse. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Work At Liberty
http://iceryder.net/images/videoclintonanderson.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Finding Pegasus
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:29:53 -0800, you wrote: >Has anyone read this book, Finding Pegasus? I have - it's really, really good. An excellent description of one woman's journey to find herself (and lots of nice horsey stuff too). I got mine on Amazon. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:30:42 -0500, you wrote: >Horses originated in North American but became extinct here long before >Columbus came to our shores. I don't believe any remained in S.A. either. >If you meant that they went from Europe via S.A. to North America, I've >never heard anything to that effect, although a few might have come that >route. Just curious...why would you think that? I know that horses became extinct in NA - I would have thought it likely that horses taken from Spain to SA by the Conquistadores were the original horses in NA, as used by the Native Americans. And, presumably, some of them were gaited. It would be interesting to see if any of the older Spanish breeds have any trace of gaitedness remaining in them. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
[IceHorses] Finding Pegasus
Has anyone read this book, Finding Pegasus? http://tinyurl.com/3y874s Pegasus, the magical winged horse, has inspired human imagination for centuries. Finding Pegasus is the rich and inspiring story of Tara Beacon, an equestrian athlete consumed by her ambition to compete at the Olympic Games, yet all the while struggling to escape the pain of an abusive childhood. Mirroring her angst is her talented and sensitive thoroughbred who, after years of intensive training with internationally renowned professionals, refuses to submit to human coercion. Finally awakening to the fact that she is reenacting her oppressive upbringing by attempting to dominate her horse, Tara enters into an apprenticeship with an eighty-year-old cowboy with mysterious abilities. Similar to a Zen master, Tom Dorrance never calls himself a teacher or explains what he does, continually perplexing Tara and those who work with him. Yet his wisdom is reflected in his ability to use horses (and anything else available to him) as a means of helping humans learn about themselves and their relationship to the natural world. With him Tara begins the long and arduous journey to self-awareness, and a resolution to her secretive past. About the Author: Terry Church has been a professional horse trainer, dressage instructor and competitor for the past 34 years. Although "classically trained" through the FEI (international) levels in the United States and Germany, she came to understand that the current methods of training horses predominantly reflect the human quest for dominance and control, rather than a recognition of how animals can benefit from and enhance the human experience through respectful partnerships. Synchronicity lead her to a meeting with the great master horseman, Tom Dorrance, with whom she spent the next seven years relearning everything she thought she knew about horses - and about herself. Ms. Church currently travels extensively throughout the United States where she uses horses to facilitate a person's process of self-discovery, thereby broadening their awareness and sensitivity to themselves and the natural world. In addition to her lifelong passion for horses, Ms. Church has had an interest in writing since early childhood. As an adult she studied writing for five years in Santa Barbara with author Bill Richardson, who became a primary influence in helping her face the truth about her life - and how to express that in words. She has published a number of articles in magazines and trade journals, some of which can be found on her website at: http://www.naturalsporthorse.com. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
> I wonder if gaited horses were brought from South America rather than > being brought from Europe? More likely that the horses came from Europe (Spain). The extinct Narraganset Pacer of New England is believed to have been developed from imported horses from Andalucia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narragansett_Pacer). Spaniards colonized what is now Florida and reprtedly brought gaited horses in from the main colonial centers in Cuba and Hispanola in the Carribbean. The gaited horses of the Southwest (ancestors of the various Spanish Mustang herds), as well as the Spanish horses of Peru almost certainly started in the colonial stud farms established in Cuba and Hispanola from imported Spanish horses bred there to support the needs of explorers and conquistators. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
[IceHorses] Picking Up Feet
Here's an article, John Lyons style, I believe, on picking up feet: http://equine-trader.com/wordpress/?p=31 Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Who is Nevzorov
Who is Nevzorov and what would he think of icelandic-style riding and training: http://horsesforlife.com/WhoIsAlexanderNevzorov/ http://iceryder.net/nevzorov.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] For Sale Meadow-brook Cart
New / Never Used / barn stored Large Pony Size Oak Rear Entry / stand area behind with black patent harness Contact me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jennifer Costa Bend Oregon
RE: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
>>> I wonder if gaited horses were brought from South America rather than being brought from Europe? Horses originated in North American but became extinct here long before Columbus came to our shores. I don't believe any remained in S.A. either. If you meant that they went from Europe via S.A. to North America, I've never heard anything to that effect, although a few might have come that route. Just curious...why would you think that? Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 8:23 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > > I wonder how much the turn towards classical > > dressage had to do with it. > > > It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that > gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed > the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian > so that could be totally wrong I have several times heard it linked to better roads which meant less riding and more carriages that were pulled by horses. So the soft gaits were less needed (and wanted). Krisse
