[IceHorses] Re: What Are They Applauding?!?! conformation questions...

2007-09-20 Thread jtafreemanuk

Back to the education then

And FEIF has been doing work on this and yes it does take time getting 17 
countries to 
agree...


John

--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> >So it is in the interest of the competitive rider to be a 'better rider'.
> >
> >If all judges follow this is another matter!
> 
> That's the problem, isn't it? We've all seen some horrible riding
> which is totally ignored.
> 
> Mic
> 
> 
> Mic (Michelle) Rushen
> 
> ---

> Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: 
> www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
> ---

> "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
>





[IceHorses] Re: What Are They Applauding?!?! conformation questions...

2007-09-20 Thread jtafreemanuk
It's the presentation
Will anyone ever see that some of their angry, ill informed  comments on this 
forum and 
repeated on the Eidfaxi site will not actually help the aim of treating the 
horses in a better 
way. You can have a good message you can have a great message but its the way 
you all 
present it that will make the difference. Already on another list, which some 
people here 
would have said would be completely opposed to what this list says, people have 
agreed 
with many of the things Judy said. On another list a person posts that there is 
a debate in 
Germany about 'better riding' ( but that's in German so it doesn't count). In 
the UK both 
Mic and I know that most people want to ride their horses better. Here where I 
live in 
Sweden I have been to many competitions - I have yet to see anyone that 
deliberately 
mistreats any horse ( yes there will be some somewhere). Sometimes in a 
competition a 
person does the wrong thing -and people in the crowd do not like it.  What 
there maybe is 
a lack of education about what is the right thing, the kindest thing and the 
best thing. I 
utterly refute that the vast majority of people here are not open to listening, 
seeing and 
putting into place a better way of doing things - they just need to know what 
it is.  The 
vast majority of people do not make money from horses - they have them because 
they 
love them even if they compete with them and only want to do the best for them.

If I was one of the people that this list wishes to 'educate' and I looked at 
some of these 
postings I would simply not bother to look again due to the ignorance of some 
of them. 
Unfortunately I would then miss out on much of the reasoning and comment on 
Judy's 
main posting having categorised it all as rubbish.

Take the comment below:

The poster gets the name of the double world champion wrong.

She assumes that a Norwegian has a perfect grasp of English and can express 
anything 
straight after having competed in a world final and having a microphone shoved 
under his 
nose.

He didn't thank his horse - which I suspect does not understand English or 
Norwegian.

This major poster on the site  is happy to criticise a person who she has not 
met, does not 
know, and has no idea about how he trains horses or people.

So, as a competition rider,  after reading that post do I think the rest of the 
information 
here is going to be a value?

Once again it's all in the presentation

Posting:

> I watched that video again this morning, and at the end, they interviewed the 
> man, Stian 
Petursson, who won the WC T1 title on Jarl.
> 
> 
> The interviewer asked him if he had anyone to thank.  He thought a minute and 
> said that 
was difficult. When asked what he was thinking at the end, he said something 
about 
telling people who are going for the gold not to give up, and then said 
something about 
being surprised to win the second title, since the frontrunner had thrown a 
shoe.
> 
> 
> I couldn't help but notice that he never mentioned the horse, or gave him any 
> credit.  It 
was all about riders
> 
> 




[IceHorses] Re: What Are They Applauding?!?! conformation questions...

2007-09-20 Thread jtafreemanuk

Mic

It is done differently in the other classes:

Deductions
A deduction of 0.5 - 2.0 can be given for:
• transitions carried out too early or too late
• slow tölt is too fast
• bad riding (i.e. unbalanced, fixed hands on the saddle)
• rough aids (eventually a yellow card)

So it is in the interest of the competitive rider to be a 'better rider'.

If all judges follow this is another matter!

John

--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:58:42 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> >Now whether it should be part of the judging is another whole
> >issue.
> 
> In the FIPO classes for youth and novices, a mark is given for the
> rider's seat and aids. I would like to see that happen in the main
> classes too. (nothing to do with horse conformation - that's a whole
> other subject)
> 
> Mic
> 
> 
> Mic (Michelle) Rushen
> 
> ---

> Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: 
> www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
> ---

> "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
>





[IceHorses] Re: Fox Trot

2007-09-13 Thread jtafreemanuk

> I think it's time for us to stand up and say we don't need an international
> organization.  
> 
> We don't NEED the Swedes or the Germans or the Icelanders who are into this.
> We don't need to be sending money to the FEIF, when this is their focus.  If
> we cut their funding, that's a start.

I think I have said this before and I am aware that some will not agree but you 
will find it 
more difficult to change anything if you are shouting from the sidelines than 
if you are in 
it.FEIF will exist and any problems with it if you or the whole of the US 
and Uk withdrew 
from it.

> 
> In the USA, the usual percentage I see cited for show riders is something
> like 5% of the total riders.  

About 20% of German members compete.

John







[IceHorses] Re: Feeding herring?

2007-03-06 Thread jtafreemanuk
 I tried the herring test on mine in Scotland - the ones from Ireland, Holland, 
Scotland looked 
at it and turned away disgusted - the two from Iceland couldn't get them down 
their throats 
quick enough.

John