Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
--- pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Susan McKenney wrote: > > > > Last time Brenna had her teeth floated she was squirming around, > rolling her > > eyes, and taking her head off the stand. I think the vet > underestimated her > > weight. > There is an equine dentist in our area who floats without sedation. > He > just lets the horse move if it wants to and is very patient. I > wouldn't > have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself but both Kopar and > Starri > allowed it and I was glad not to have to sedate them. He's a > student > of Ray Hunt. > > Trish We do not sedate our Icelandics, they stand, very paitentlythe vet was surprised how good they were, and since he did not have to sedate and wait, he actually saved time, and I saved the sedation costs, and my worry.he was worried if they were not sedated it would be a rodeo and he would waste time. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
Hi Wanda >>>Another easy way to check on teeth is to feel along the outside of their heads along where their teeth lay. If there is any 'flinchiness' at allthen chances are you've found an ulcer. That is a good way, also if your horse is reactive around the TMJ joint it can be an indicator of a mouth imbalance which is causing pain from chewing and it can be from too long of incisors or a wedge mouth. >>>Opening their mouth and peering is not necessary to determine if sharp points along their jawline are causing a problem. Very true and it is difficult to see inside the mouth without a speculum and remember that it is the outside of the top teeth and the inside of the bottom teeth that get sharp as the horse grinds to eat and the teeth erupt in their growth. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
On 11/07/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We recently got in several horses that had been in training and there were > complaints from the people training the horses that they were uncooperative. > None of their teeth had been done and all of them had sharp points and many > of them wolf teeth. Since the sharp points were causing ulcers on the > inside of the cheeks it was no wonder that the horses became less and less > cooperative as they were worked. Another case of there is always a reason. > Robyn Another easy way to check on teeth is to feel along the outside of their heads along where their teeth lay. If there is any 'flinchiness' at allthen chances are you've found an ulcer. Opening their mouth and peering is not necessary to determine if sharp points along their jawline are causing a problem. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
Hi >>>i think sedation is the easy way, a shortcut for people who dont want to spend a little extra time! we have a good dentist but she only comes here now and then and she doesnt sedate. But the last two times I had to let my vet do it and he sedates. In terms of dental sedation it depends a lot on what they are doing. If they are doing incisor work they need to sedate because of the power tools they must use. If incisor work is not done and the horse has a 'smile' - middle two incisors the longest going to shorter, then when the back teeth are done they don't meet properly because front teeth are too long. Not many dentists are trained to do incisor work and of course lay dentist cannot, and IMO, should not, sedate horses as they don't have the training. Many of our older horses have worn down incisors from scraping their teeth on salt blocks. We used to be upset by this but our older horses front teeth are appropriately worn down. I have a friend here from England who has been an equine dentist for 8 years and is now taking the first Equine Dentistry university degree course in the world (it is in England). She is aiming to do a Phd on how various types of feed have an influence on wear patterns, and not just the regular hard grass vs soft grass but the actual minerals etc. She came just before the starting young horse clinic and with my vet sedating she did most of the young horses in the course. Several of them had retained caps and if they are not removed the pressure of the halter, sidepull or bit is very unpleasant for the horse and causes 'resistance' to any pressure against the face. Of course if they have wolf teeth IMO they should be removed before horses are bitted. We recently got in several horses that had been in training and there were complaints from the people training the horses that they were uncooperative. None of their teeth had been done and all of them had sharp points and many of them wolf teeth. Since the sharp points were causing ulcers on the inside of the cheeks it was no wonder that the horses became less and less cooperative as they were worked. Another case of there is always a reason. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
On 7/11/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >There is an equine dentist in our area who floats without sedation. He > None of our horses have ever been sedated for floating. It's unusual > to sedate for it here. > > Mic > i think sedation is the easy way, a shortcut for people who dont want to spend a little extra time! we have a good dentist but she only comes here now and then and she doesnt sedate. But the last two times I had to let my vet do it and he sedates. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
> There is an equine dentist in our area who floats without sedation. He > just lets the horse move if it wants to and is very patient. Of all the horses we've owned, we have never had a horse sedated for floating and it's never been a problem. There are just too many things that can go wrong with sedation so I never do it unlesss absolutely necessary. -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
>There is an equine dentist in our area who floats without sedation. He None of our horses have ever been sedated for floating. It's unusual to sedate for it here. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
>>> There is an equine dentist in our area that floats without sedation. He just lets the horse move if it wants to and is very patient. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself but both Kopar and Starri allowed it and I was glad not to have to sedate them. We have always let the vet sedate to float Joe and Thunder - they aren't particularly fond of having their teeth done. But, Mac and Holly always had their teeth floated without sedation, until we started using our current vet. It's really not a huge deal for some horses - depending on the patience of the vet. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
Susan McKenney wrote: > > Last time Brenna had her teeth floated she was squirming around, rolling her > eyes, and taking her head off the stand. I think the vet underestimated her > weight. There is an equine dentist in our area who floats without sedation. He just lets the horse move if it wants to and is very patient. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself but both Kopar and Starri allowed it and I was glad not to have to sedate them. He's a student of Ray Hunt. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
> Last time Brenna had her teeth floated she was squirming around, rolling her > eyes, and taking her head off the stand. I think the vet underestimated her > weight. an uncertified equine dentist around here has been brought up on charges and sued because on two different occasions within one month he sedated horses, 2 of them, and they dropped like a rock, deader than a doornail. so its sorta serious to over sedate... janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
> > The theory that I have, and my vet seems to agree, is that they have > more > >mass in bone than other horses of the same weight which is why they > usually > >take less tranquilizer for their size. Although like everything there are > >always exceptions. > > ._,___ > Last time Brenna had her teeth floated she was squirming around, rolling her eyes, and taking her head off the stand. I think the vet underestimated her weight. Sue
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
Hi Skye Interesting, as we have had 2 Icelandics gelded this past year, 1 was 2 and 1/2 the other was 7 months..both of them were really out of it for an hour and a half after the procedureit seemed a little long to me, and on the 7 month old I could tell the vet seemed a little concerned that he was very out, The theory that I have, and my vet seems to agree, is that they have more mass in bone than other horses of the same weight which is why they usually take less tranquilizer for their size. Although like everything there are always exceptions. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic weights/sedation
--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing we have noticed about the weight of Icelandics is that > generally > they don't need as much sedation as another horse the same weight, > especially the younger ones. > > Robyn Interesting, as we have had 2 Icelandics gelded this past year, 1 was 2 and 1/2 the other was 7 months..both of them were really out of it for an hour and a half after the procedureit seemed a little long to me, and on the 7 month old I could tell the vet seemed a little concerned that he was very out, if I could tell he was a little concerned he probably was Very concerned. I have to geld my colt this year and I will ask if the vet will use a little less because of the breed. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
