Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandic horse in Oregon, save from meat market!!!
>>> well come on down, the 18th in a little town near here a man who has >>> been breeding show quality AQHA horses for fifty years is having a >>> distress herd dispersal sale, absolute auction. Since he has been >>> dumping a few off here and there at auction the last six months for 500 >>> or less I imagine you could get a real bargain. My farrier has been around horse people so long that he gets a wee bit cynical sometimes. The last time he was out, he went on and on about the nice horses of particular breeds he knows, grinning as he pointed out that all the ones he likes and things nice-mannered, with healthy feet and legs are NOT "show quality" - no matter what the breed. He joked that he thinks "show quality" means nutty and malformed. Karen Thomas, NC
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On 5/9/08, rescue03301 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow...things are bit more expensive in the Northeast. You can't even > get a rescue horse for $300, at least not at any of the places in my > area. A decent horse around here will cost you at least $2500. A > seasoned dressage or hunter could cost you anywhere between $5000 to > $10,000...or more depending on breed. well come on down, the 18th in a little town near here a man who has been breeding show quality AQHA horses for fifty years is having a distress herd dispersal sale, absolute auction. Since he has been dumping a few off here and there at auction the last six months for 500 or less I imagine you could get a real bargain. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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I imagine there are auctions up here, I don't know of any here in NH but I know there was a place in MA that had them weekly when I was a kid. I remember hearing about the horses that ended up there and the condition that some of them were in. I couldn't agree with you more Karen on your comment that it takes guts for people to give their problem horse away and accepting defeat. So many people are more interested in making back the money they put out than putting the needs of the horse first. I got two "problem/project" Icelandics myself from people who couldn't deal. The woman that contacted me with my most recent "project" took a $7,000 loss (she had him for only 18 months) because she knew I could work with him and he would have a good home. It makes me angry when people have a horse with complex issues, they ask for the amount they paid for the horse (before it was ruined by them) but then they stress it needs to go to a good home only. Seems like an oxymoron to me. Heather https://home.comcast.net/~stoneybrookfarm/
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Wow...things are bit more expensive in the Northeast. You can't even get a rescue horse for $300 I could say the same thing about the Charlotte area, if I only looked in certain places. If you're talking about through a rescue agency, no, you probably can't get a rescue horse anywhere for that, not through an agency. It all depends on where you're looking and what you're looking for. There ARE Icelandic's that are being given away across the country, but it takes an owner with guts to admit the horse needs help more than the owner needs the money. Bless those owners for valuing the horses and doing what's right for them. "Rescue" is a very vague term, and rescues come in many degrees of need. Most "rescue" horses don't go through an agency. I have no doubt that Stali and Svertla met the definition as clearly as any Icelandic's that I've heard of, and Janice had to go in very discretely and negotiate to get them, keeping a blind eye to what she saw. That woman had no intentions of surrendering them to any agency. Someone just happened to see them and thankfully word got out. I'm sure many, probably most, rescues are hidden away on some off-road pasture, well out of sight. Do you have auctions in your area? Not "breed auctions," but the old livestock style? I'm sure they exist in the Northeast. That's where you find many rescues and that's where you get the other side of the story. New York breeds a lot of racehorses, right? They have to dispose of the racing industry rejects somewhere. >>> A decent horse around here will cost you at least $2500. A seasoned >>> dressage or hunter >>> could cost you anywhere between $5000 to $10,000...or more depending on >>> breed. Many "decent" horses in this area, even some trail horses, are selling for much more than that - IF the horse has a particular market, fits a particular niche and has an owner who can market the horse. An unstarted filly with known issues is far from a "sure thing." There aren't that many people willing to take on a project, or that know enough that they should take one on. I know, because once I started taking a few, it sickens me how many I have to turn away. But "plain old trail horses" are harder to market, even trained and experienced ones, and many people don't know how/where to sell them. And even if they did know how to sell them, there aren't enough people buying them that are willing to pay what horses are worth. I know a guy locally who takes barely-under-14.2H grade ponies, trains them to jump and sells them for as much as $100,000, many for over $25,000...but he's set-up his market and his image, and SOME people will buy them. That doesn't change the fact that there are also grade (or less glamorous registered) trail horses, and rejected hunters, gaited horses, and all kinds are being given away or sold for next-to-nothing in this same area. It just depends on where you look and how you define "decent". Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: Icelandic horse in Oregon, save from meat market!!!
Wow...things are bit more expensive in the Northeast. You can't even get a rescue horse for $300, at least not at any of the places in my area. A decent horse around here will cost you at least $2500. A seasoned dressage or hunter could cost you anywhere between $5000 to $10,000...or more depending on breed. Heather
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Sylvia, email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Heather
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On 5/8/08, Kimberly Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Someone with $1000 can take her > > and resell her to a nice home if they'd like for more I'm sure! I > > know in the north east coast you can't touch a decent horse for less > > than $1000. > > > > Just to be realistic, some horses in Kentucky are selling for $50 at > auction, good horses. I know someone who just got a very nice looking, > registered, Kentucky Moutain Mare, free from a rescue, complete with > issues and everything:) Actually, $1000 is a lot to pay to get to do > the work it takes to deal with these issues, it's no bargain. Gosh thanks for saying that Kim! Amazing horses are going here for 300 bucks! They start out trying to sell a horse worth every bit of 3500 by two years ago market prices for 2000, then get down to 1000, then get desperate and are lucky not to have to give them away! A person I know argued with me last week when I told him our hay man said hay could go up from its present 45 a round roll delivered price to over 80. He said, nah, they said last year it would go up and there would be shortages, and there's not. And I said yeah, but my hay man said he has to buy deisel to run his equipment he has to use to plant it, fertilize it , cut it and bale it! Fertilizer is going up off the charts, so is grass seed, and so is anything that has to be delivered! Things are getting scarey. This morning on th e news they said by 2009 gas could be 8-10 a gallon. And Mic, she always says its already 8 bucks a gal in the UK, but on the news they pointed that out, that it is way high in the UK and has been, but the man said "yes but in the UK it's a whole different deal than in the US. In the UK they do not have the rediential and urban sprawl like we have here, where a common commute for many americans is an hour each way, and they have not spent the last decade getting more and more reliant on big gas hog cars like we have (and now many cant get out from under without taking a huge financial loss), and some other reasons too, i forgot what all he said. anyway. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandic horse in Oregon, save from meat market!!!
> Someone with $1000 can take her > and resell her to a nice home if they'd like for more I'm sure! I > know in the north east coast you can't touch a decent horse for less > than $1000. > Just to be realistic, some horses in Kentucky are selling for $50 at auction, good horses. I know someone who just got a very nice looking, registered, Kentucky Moutain Mare, free from a rescue, complete with issues and everything:) Actually, $1000 is a lot to pay to get to do the work it takes to deal with these issues, it's no bargain. Hey, at least the Ky Mountain people gave up the extra horses when they couldn't deal with it, gave the horse to a rescue, and then passed her on, to someone who is now going to have to pay someone to help her with training, and there is no guarantee. Kim
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In a message dated 5/7/2008 5:04:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have people interested but now no way to get in touch here. Please send something more that the email address that didn't work for me. Please. Sylvia **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301)
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Hi Everyone, I just received another email from my friend and I will paste it at the end of this. I do not know the breeder's name at this time and if I did, I honestly don't want to publicly post it. My goal is to just get this filly out and save it from slaughter. This owner would have sent her off already if my friend hadn't said anything. I'm just thankful she's willing to sell her and I'd like to find someone quickly just to get her out. Someone with $1000 can take her and resell her to a nice home if they'd like for more I'm sure! I know in the north east coast you can't touch a decent horse for less than $1000. I should be getting pics hopefully in the next day. I also asked if she's been trailered before. Here is the latest information from my friend: "Thanks Heather and I especially appreciate the judgement left at the door caveat. The owner doesn't have time for this filly with the other 35 needing attention and the problem with the halter that I explained came from a series of issues including her being in WA and the horses being down in Oregon with her husband manning the ranch and haying and too much on his plate and this slipped through a big crack sadly. I would be very disappointed if interested folks couldn't keep their personal thoughts on how and what happened to themselves. I mostly want to find her a person with time and skill and interest in the breed. I think she is a nice little filly with potential she is not unapproachable. The halter situation was a mess and I am glad that I caught it. I too have had to leave my judgement thoughts to myself on this one - -seeing as I live on the ranch. The price would be $1000.00 with registration papers"
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandic horse in Oregon, save from meat market!!!
In a message dated 5/7/2008 9:55:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Email came back from the Mailer could not be delivered. So need less to say you cannot get in touch with them. Sylvia **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301)
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Do you think she could be loaded in a trailer with other horses? Nancy
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Thanks Sylvia for passing this on. This is a very nice registered 5 year old and I really hope someone takes her. I'd hate to think she would go to slaughter! When my friend told me I immediately asked her to tell this lady to hold off until I can get word out about her because I'm sure someone out there will take her. I spoke with my friend just a short time ago and she said that this horse is extremely head shy. She will need a lot of slow work to build up her trust again. She also told me that they had kept the halter on her because they had a hard time catching her. It must have been on her for a long time for it to have caused damage to her head. Poor thing. My friend says she's a very cute horse and will try and take a picture for anyone interested. Heather
