Re: [IceHorses] Small barn
In a message dated 9/29/2007 7:47:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) My barn has a breezeway of 16 foot and it can fit cars and a pickup in there. My barn was a demo and it has every type of stall opening they make. No one notices but me. I did cement all of the stalls last year. My barn is 25 years old and it was going to move off the slope if I didn't save it. The people cut the pad too small and it was barely on there. I have a metal porta barn. The only stall not cemented is my pony's stall. But I only have the one horse. We don't get much rain so its there for a while longer. My husband does nada so he promised electric 25 years ago. hahahaha Sylvia ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Virginia, when you plan your barn, ..plan it for a human. Make > sure > that if you build a large enough barn to have at least a 12 foot > walk > way. AND ensure that the lighting is bright enough for a vet or > farrier. We have about a 12 x 12 stall in our little barn and that > seems large enough for a farrier to work, but the lighting in there > is > awful. We have extra work lights plugged into each corner, and it > still seems dark. > > Wanda > I will put my vote in for a seperate space besides the stall for vet or farrier work, and over head lights are GREAT! The better the place the happier and a better job the farrier can do, and as a group we are more likley to come back to a place that is clean, flat, dry, well lit...stalls are ok, but the light is awful in a stall usually. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
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On 9/27/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Yes, that's the stuff--I loved how it let in the light. V > > > The only thing I can think of is that your snow loading might be different > and make it less strong and less desirable than here. But, I sure love > mine. It's a luxury that didn't break the bank. I should go visit that stable where I saw them and ask if they have any trouble with theirs. V
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Oh shoot, Karen, it's supposed to drain? We had the pad for the barn and also a riding ring cut into the hillside above the house and have been redirecting rain water ever since. The riding ring could probably grow rice or cranberries in the winter and it took years before we got to the barn to the point where the horses weren't dog paddling at least one day each winter. Some folks are building a huge house farther up the hill from us. I'm assuming they have engineered the runoff problem - or bought a sump pump for the basement. I used to take our dairy goats up there and let them browse while I read a book - ala Heidi. It's sort of hard for us to adapt to having someone's windows looking down on the riding ring. Nancy
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AND: by all means check the prevailing weather patterns. It should help that you are moving in the Fall, but you could also ask the seller. Drainage is another very important consideration. You don't want rain to puddle around your barn, or worse still, have runoff from rains run down to accumulate into and under your stalls. We found a relatively high spot to locate ours, and then had a grader flatten a spot such that water runs away from the barn in all directions. You don't want a wet barn! Karen Thomas, NC
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>>> Yes, that's the stuff--I loved how it let in the light. V The only thing I can think of is that your snow loading might be different and make it less strong and less desirable than here. But, I sure love mine. It's a luxury that didn't break the bank. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM
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On 9/26/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are talking about the corrugated plastic that is patterned like the > metal roofing, they aren't very expensive while you're building.I love > mine, and I certainly didn't pay a premium for them. Yes, that's the stuff--I loved how it let in the light. V
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On 9/26/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AND: by all means check the prevailing weather patterns. I remember reading about siting in my text book--I want to do that with the run in shed too. V
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On 9/26/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent point. Might be a good reason to live there for a year or > so, and make your determination after you've studied the prospective > site a bit. Yes--I do want to live there to get a 'feel' for it before I put down anything permanent. That's why those Tbars sound good--easier to move when we figure things out. V
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On 9/26/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the three- stall barn we built about 30 years ago. Beautiful photo. Do you have any interior shots? V
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On 26/09/2007, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AND: by all means check the prevailing weather patterns. It should help > that you are moving in the Fall, but you could also ask the seller. Excellent point. Might be a good reason to live there for a year or so, and make your determination after you've studied the prospective site a bit. Wanda
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AND: by all means check the prevailing weather patterns. It should help that you are moving in the Fall, but you could also ask the seller. For some reason, we sited our barn so that the hall is in line with a canyon. The wind can blow down the hall so hard that it tumbled a huge contractor's wheelbarrow end over end down the l entire ength. We do have doors that we can slide closed, but we could have avoided the whole problem by turning the barn slightly on the pad. Nancy
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When Alex went to her Dressage show, Gat was given a standing stall in an extra wing of the hosting barn--they had skylights--heavy plastic type stufftalk about nice and bright. If you are talking about the corrugated plastic that is patterned like the metal roofing, they aren't very expensive while you're building.I love mine, and I certainly didn't pay a premium for them. Karen Thomas, NC
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AND ensure that the lighting is bright enough for a vet or farrier. We have about a 12 x 12 stall in our little barn and that seems large enough for a farrier to work, but the lighting in there is awful. We have extra work lights plugged into each corner, and it still seems dark. We put a standard, wall-mount type "porch" fixture in front of each stall, one that takes a 100-watt bulb. Then, up higher on the front wall, we put a floodlight type fixture, that fills in the areas that the individual stall lights miss. I also put an electrical outlet at each stall - good for plugging in clippers, the vet's ultrasound machine, stall fans, shop vacs, whatever... My light fixtures were NOT expensive, but they are cute and they do a great job. I also don't have a "ceiling" over the stalls, and I had four (I think - I should go double check the number) "skylights" put in the roof. They aren't exactly skylights, but are the clear corrugated panels much like the metal roofing material. I really don't need lights in the barn during the day for normal stuff - only for special needs and at night. This isn't just for light though - it really keeps the air circulating and that helps avoid breathing problems when the horses have to stay in for a while. Another thing - check your cell phone coverage carefully where you're barn will be. If it's spotty or questionable at all, considering running an extension phone from your house to the barn, so you can have a cordless handy. It won't cost much while they are running electrical lines anyway. Having a phone at the barn may sound like a luxury, but believe me, if you are ever waiting for the vet to call back and you have a colicky horse, or a mare with a problem delivery, you'll want a phone where you can see/touch the horse while you talk. And remember, inside the barn, cell coverage may not be quite as strong as in an open field. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
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It looks like a horse could put more than his head out! The wall looks so low that a horse could easily get one (or both legs) over it and really get hurt. That's my thinking too, Cherie. There's reason that standard stall bar spacing is what it is, and that in the picture just looks scary to me. And, that's just thinking about Icelandic's - you always have to think about what dangers lurk if you ever have a foal, a small pony (like Buck-the-mini-mule, or Mystic)...and what if you ever have a full-sized horse. Even if you never have any of these, there's always the chance you might want to keep a friend or neighbor's beastie while they are moving or whatever. I don't use my stalls every day, but when I DO use them, I can rest assured that my horses are in as safe a place as I can imagine. The low wall height looks like another accident waiting to happen - that makes me shiver. Eitill is 13H and can easily flat-foot over a normal height stall door - what are they, almost 4-feet? When we went to Dupont Forest over Mother's Day, I carried a stall guard to install over the top of the stall door. I don't really like stall guards though. I have sliding stall doors, with bars in the top half. I'll check, but I think the spacing between the bars is 3 inches or less, to keep a horse from getting a hoof stuck if they kick up for any reason. The dividers between my stalls are also bars, so the horses can clearly see each other and touch noses, but can't bite or nip. It makes for an open, airy design - good for ventilation too. But, everyone stays in his or her place. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
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On 9/26/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AND ensure that the lighting is bright enough for a vet or > farrier. When Alex went to her Dressage show, Gat was given a standing stall in an extra wing of the hosting barn--they had skylights--heavy plastic type stufftalk about nice and bright. I loved the light and now I want skylights in my barn. I also want an aisle way I can drive a 4 wheeler with manure wagon through. V
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Virginia, when you plan your barn, ..plan it for a human. Make sure that if you build a large enough barn to have at least a 12 foot walk way. AND ensure that the lighting is bright enough for a vet or farrier. We have about a 12 x 12 stall in our little barn and that seems large enough for a farrier to work, but the lighting in there is awful. We have extra work lights plugged into each corner, and it still seems dark. Wanda
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It looks like a horse could put more than his head out! The wall looks so low that a horse could easily get one (or both legs) over it and really get hurt. Cherie
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interesting... not sure I like it but it's interesting.
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On 26/09/2007, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/26/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think that's a really bad design - I've only seen those type fronts on > > stalls in Icelandic barns.I'll give more details later > > That's what I need -- the pros and cons to everything! I can just imagine Dagur up and over those in a minute. I like the second design you sent. Wanda
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On 9/26/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that's a really bad design - I've only seen those type fronts on > stalls in Icelandic barns.I'll give more details later That's what I need -- the pros and cons to everything! :D V
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The attached shows the box stalls that were in another building. I like those because the horse can put its head out. V I think that's a really bad design - I've only seen those type fronts on stalls in Icelandic barns.I'll give more details later - but I'd go with a more traditional...and SAFER...design. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
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On 9/26/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It looks like a wonderful well-built wooden barn, but there are a couple of > things that don't look safe to me. Remember that I used to buy off-track > Thoroughbreds. This is probably perfectly safe for the calmer Icelandics, > but I'd make the walls higher and those vertical boards with the sort of > picket type tops would be a recipe for disaster for some horses. Yes, the picket style bothered me too, but it never seemed to be a problem for the horses there. They even kept stallions in that area when they had them. I think, though, that I would do something different. I do like it open and free access in and out. V
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> It looks like a wonderful well-built wooden barn, but there are a couple > of > things that don't look safe to me. Remember that I used to buy off-track > Thoroughbreds. This is probably perfectly safe for the calmer Icelandics, > but I'd make the walls higher and those vertical boards with the sort of > picket type tops would be a recipe for disaster for some horses. Keep in mind the day may come where you decide/need to sell and chances are the buyer will have horses other than Icelandics. I wouldn't build a barn suited only to Icelandics. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki available late 2007 website: www.toltallyice.com
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It looks like a wonderful well-built wooden barn, but there are a couple of things that don't look safe to me. Remember that I used to buy off-track Thoroughbreds. This is probably perfectly safe for the calmer Icelandics, but I'd make the walls higher and those vertical boards with the sort of picket type tops would be a recipe for disaster for some horses. Our friends sold half of their ranch and built a new barn and riding ring on the other half. There were already two houses. They chose sort of a pre-fab metal barn and have had nothing but trouble with it. The ceiling is held up by aluminum struts which keep falling down into the stalls. So far, no horses have been hurt, but they've certainly been scared and bouncing off the walls. Their whole barn-building experience turned out to be a very negative one. I like the more traditional (if slower) wooden construction. Nancy
[IceHorses] Small barn photos for Virginia
- Original Message - From: "Dawn Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cascade General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Sandy Solberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Spam:, [CascadeIceHorseClub] Sandy's barn photos I've posted the photos of Sandy's new barn. 2nd page of the photo albums (they are listed alphabetically) or try this direct link: http://pets.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/CascadeIceHorseClub/photos/browse?b=17&m=t&o=5 Not everyone has the time or knowledge to post albums especially if they only send the occasional individual photo, so if people want to see photos on a regular basis it is best to switch to individual mail or ask the sender to send you the photo privately. Dawn Shaw Lone Cedar Icelandic Horses PO Box 524 Grapeview, WA 98546 360-275-7542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LoneCedarIcelandicHorses.com
