Re: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
> > The old "leave 'em alone to foal" idea is simply barbaric, maybe it's just > an excuse to sleep in a warm house. Our mares deserve the same level of > care as other breed mares get. > > Karen Amen to that! Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
> The old "leave 'em alone to foal" idea is simply barbaric, maybe > it's just > an excuse to sleep in a warm house. Our mares deserve the same > level of > care as other breed mares get. I was not actually talking about the Birth process, but the waiting for the birth.so please do not think we take the foaling process lightly.Sally is a Doctorand we live in hawaii, so its warm outside too! So We do not have the leave em alone thing...just the more we anticipate a birth it seems to take longer, thats the way it is with anything in life, christmas morning, a trip to Disneyland, anything your really anticipating. Sallys favorite mare had her last foal right next to our bedroom in the grass...she picked her spot, and it was as close to us as possible. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
On 06/11/2007, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The old "leave 'em alone to foal" idea is simply barbaric. I know that isn't advice I would take seriously. The vets we use are really knowledgeable about what can happen.
RE: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
And we also do not watch them...we try to let them be...it can be hardbut we found that the more we watch for a baby, the longer it takes. Skye That is not necessarily true. It all depends on your relationship with your mare. I hate to have a mare suffer giving birth when I can easily help her. Add a little pull to her push and that baby comes out much more easily. Also, if you are right there you can prevent a $%^&load of trouble. Misrepresentation will happen occasionally and if you know what to do you can save both the foal and the mother. We've had this discussion many times, and I bow to Anneliese's experience as official list midwife. I doubt anyone on the list has been present for more births. She's right - if a mare trusts you, she will allow you to be with her, and I'm glad I listened to her. Anneliese drilled that into my brain before my first three mares delivered in 2004. Not only did Bjola "allow" me to be with her the day she was to deliver, she would actually try to block the gate and keep me with her when I'd try to leave her paddock that day. I was also certainly glad I listened to Anneliese's advice when Miska was born (the night before Bjola gave birth to Ima). Cary and I were doing the 11pm mare check together, knowing "tonight's the night" for Brunka, deciding who would take which shift watching...when Brunka abruptly turned her back to us and broke her water - ok, we'll just share the watch duty! She went down to deliver quickly, but Miska was a big filly. Her head came easily, but Brunka was too tired to push the shoulders out, even though she presented normally. We both knew there was trouble, so I immediately got on the phone with the vet, who told us (Cary!) exactly how to pull, and me how to cut the sack. We acted quickly, and it was a good thing. Miska was not breathing, not even moving at all, and her gums were blue, but the very instant I cut the sack, she started struggling to get up like any healthy newborn. It was Brunka's first foal, and she was exhausted, and didn't get up for a while - I finally gave her some Banamine at the vet's direction. I know Miska was in serious distress, and wouldn't have made it very long at all without intervention, and I'm not sure even Brunka would have made it had someone not been there to assist her. I can't imagine how horrible it would have been to find one or both dead the next morning. As it was, they barely missed a beat, Miska got her colostrums with our guidance and all was well. Brunka was tired for a while, but fine. The old "leave 'em alone to foal" idea is simply barbaric, maybe it's just an excuse to sleep in a warm house. Our mares deserve the same level of care as other breed mares get. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
afterwards they usually stay on the edge of the herd a little > bit at least for a few days > > And we also do not watch them...we try to let them be...it can be > hardbut we found that the more we watch for a baby, the longer it > takes. > > Skye Hello Skye: That is not necessarily true. It all depends on your relationship with your mare. I hate to have a mare suffer giving birth when I can easily help her. Add a little pull to her push and that baby comes out much more easily. Also, if you are right there you can prevent a $%^&load of trouble. Misrepresentation will happen occasionally and if you know what to do you can save both the foal and the mother. My mares trust me to help them. I withdraw as soon as I have made sure all is well and don't interfere with the bonding between the mare and her foal. Anneliese
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i just want to say that you never know when the nicest horse in the world will suddenly turn on a baby. I have seen it. Had to in fact help the owner chase it down and save the baby when it was cornered. I dont know what on earth would make the gelding attack and chase a baby like that. It wasnt newborn, was about 6 weeks old, and the mother just seemed blase... I thought oh they are playing but no, it got scarey. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
--- Anneliese Virro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/30/07 3:27 PM, "Lin Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experiences of a mare foaling in pasture > with a gelding > > instead of another mare? Oh yesDis and Glama have foaled out on a 2000 acre pasture in a big herd of geldings, mares and babies, yearlings etc... Skyfaxa prefers to foal with Foss, the Stallion...he watches over them and she can get some rest I only put mares who are about to foal in a place where they are comfortable with the surroundings and the pasture matesI find that afterwards they usually stay on the edge of the herd a little bit at least for a few days And we also do not watch them...we try to let them be...it can be hardbut we found that the more we watch for a baby, the longer it takes. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
>Does anyone have any experiences of a mare foaling in pasture with a gelding instead of another mare? > thanks, Lin My mare Lilja lived in 20 acre pasture with another mare and three geldings when she foaled. Two of the geldings paid no attention to the foal, the other gelding quickly became attached to him and let him climb all over him! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
On 10/30/07 3:27 PM, "Lin Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have any experiences of a mare foaling in pasture with a gelding > instead of another mare? > > thanks, Lin Not with gelding but with stallion. Landi was Shadow's soul mate. I waited and waited for her to foal and she just would not. So I finally put her in with Landi and found them both in the morning, standing over the just-born foal. That was such a peaceful picture and I will always remember it though it was more than 20 years ago. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
>Does anyone have any experiences of a mare foaling in pasture with a gelding >instead of another mare? > Ours have several times, no problems at all, but I imagine it would depend on the horses involved. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
[IceHorses] foaling in pasture with a gelding
Does anyone have any experiences of a mare foaling in pasture with a gelding instead of another mare? thanks, Lin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
