RE: [IceHorses] hate crimes
Come and live in Pembrokeshire, S Wales. There was a 100% increase in racist incidents last year - from one to two. Our little village (around 150 full time residents) has at least 5-mixed race couples that I know of. Hate crimes happen everywhere - motivated by race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation... wouldn't we have to consider all the terrorist suicide bombing reported to be hate crimes? I can't remember ever hearing of one in my small community either, Mic, and there are interracial couples here too. After hearing the state of KY blasted for racism last night, which triggered Mary's question about in the state, just on a hunch, I did some searches for statistics on hate crimes in the USA. The FBI sites shows the number of hate crime incidents per year on http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/incidents.html and specifically per state on http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/table12.html I would expect there to be some diversity across the country in how these are reported, but interestingly enough, the top 15 states with the HIGHEST per capita reporting of hate crimes for 2006 are (in order): South Dakota, District of Columbia, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts, Delaware, Kansas, Nevada, Virginia, Maine, Arkansas, Oregon. Nebraska, Maryland, Connecticut and California. The fifteen states with the LOWEST per capita reported incidents of hate crimes in 2006 are, in order: Mississippi, Alabama, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Louisiana, Wyoming, Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, Utah, Indiana, Oklahoma, Wisconsin and Idaho. Kentucky was just behind Idaho, at 17th. The numbers are low, so trying to put a per capita ranking on these crimes is really pretty meaningless, but hate crimes were reported in 2006 in every state except Mississippi. If anyone can find a geographical pattern to these numbers re: state ranking, I'd like to know what it is, because I sure can't see a pattern. For instance, NC is low, but Virginia is high? Wyoming and Idaho are low, but South Dakota is high? Arkansas is high, but Louisiana is low? There are high and low incident rates in neighboring states across this country. Go figure... Interesting that three states with the highest incidents per capita of hate crimes are Maine, Connecticut and Massachusetts, since much of the country perceives New England as liberal... but I guess that just shows that no part of the country is immune from hate. Mary, I don't think I'd be any more worried living in KY than in California...but it only takes one nutcase to endanger any of us, no matter where we are. (Note that despite the infamous Oklahoma City bombing by white-supremacist-terrorist Timothy McVeigh, OK had lower than average number of hate crimes reported.) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] hate crimes- Stop Please
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RE: [IceHorses] hate crimes
Thank you for that! I would never had thought to search for statistics. I am aware that there are jerks everywhere...have run into my fair share of them. I would definitely not feel comfortable living with him here in Southern California...plenty of all races here, but this community in particular would be very wary... A good friend of mine who lives around Kansas City took me farm shopping out there earlier this year...there were two communities that the realtor had ready to show me, but she simply told him 'no'. When I asked her later on why, she said that they 'definitely not the community for me'. The next town over, though was OKagain...everyplace has jerks. Having lived in NYC for 4 years, I know that! *feels better about KY* Mic~my great aunt was Lord Mayor of Wales (let's see...that was 30 years ago) and I visited Wales for about 3 weeks at that time (I wasn't even 10 yet!)I also lived in and about London for about 1 year back in my whippersnapper daysif there was any way possible to move to the UK, believe me...I would move mountains to do it! Wales is such a neat country...BEAUTIFUL...people are rugged but niceI just spent 2 weeks with my Welsh cousins while they were here on vacation. I begged them to forget their son (who loved California) and take me back with them instead...yet here I sit :( Mary
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
when I lived in california many years, I was often surprised how some small towns, and even some large ones like bakersfield, had such a western influence. Because of all the Oklahoma and Arkansas dust bowl immigrants settling there. They seemed so southern to me and I felt very comfortable there with the country and very much southern feel. Towns like Elk Grove, Sacramento, Lodi, Stockton, are very agricultural and country with lots of people walking around in cowboy boots and hats. I loved it there. I grew up and live now in the most redneck part of florida and to me, the diversity here is ok, I dont ever hear the N word and there is lots of different cultures living here that everyone seems ok with, vietnamese and hispanic, and everything else really. But the thing I cant stand is the extreme Christian RIGHT. I have seen people lose their jobs because they were the wrong religion. I have been in government department head meetings where I had to sit and listen about THE LORD and how BLESSED we all were for over an hour. I would just get so tired of it. Not because I'm not christian, but because I believe every religion deserves respect and I would see people hurt by it, like one person, a Quaker, she did not pledge allegiance to the flag, they pratically persecuted her for it. That was so wrong. But aside from that, there is hate stuff everywhere, and what I do, I let it begin with me. If there is someone at work or wherever that people seem to be intolerant of, I try to be tolerant and open about it. I personally love the Southern culture and way of life, and most old timers here are so laid back and gentle about everything it would not occur to them to hate someone for what they are. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
Hate crimes...the top 15 states with the HIGHEST per capita reporting of hate crimes for 2006 are (in order): South Dakota, District of Columbia, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts, Delaware, Kansas, Nevada, Virginia, Maine, Arkansas, Oregon. Nebraska, Maryland, Connecticut and California. Ya but Maine had 59, Kentucky 64 whereas California had 1297 and New York at 522 wasn't even in the top 15...
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 06:13:23AM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/table12.html I would expect there to be some diversity across the country in how these are reported, but interestingly enough, the top 15 states with the HIGHEST per capita reporting of hate crimes for 2006 are (in order): South Dakota, District of Columbia, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts, Delaware, Kansas, Nevada, Virginia, Maine, Arkansas, Oregon. Nebraska, Maryland, Connecticut and California. note that these are reported. i've lived in four of these states (massachusetts, new jersey, maryland, and briefly oregon) and all of them are ACTIVE in getting the don't tolerate hate message out. behaviors that get ignored in other places (i was shocked, my first time in georgia, at the racist graffiti in public rest rooms) get reported around here, though i'm not sure all that much is *done*. (not to say that racism is non-existant here -- it's here and it sucks. a colleague of mine is moving to france because he's sick of being picked on by cops, because obviously black neuroscientists pose such a severe danger to society :/ ) anyway, i suspect that the statistics are biased by reporting, i.e. what do the victims or witnesses of hate crimes think that reporting will *do* or *not do*? in some cases people i've known who were victims were reluctant to report because they thought it would do nothing or even increase their chances of future harrassment. having once reported an act of violence against myself, i have to say that the cops were less than supportive (*coughs*) and the court experience pretty ghastly too. Go figure... Interesting that three states with the highest incidents per capita of hate crimes are Maine, Connecticut and Massachusetts, since much of the country perceives New England as liberal... but I guess that just shows that no part of the country is immune from hate. i like to think that it's that new englanders are more aware of hate as socially unacceptable, and thus more likely to pursue action against it. Mary, I don't think I'd be any more worried living in KY than in California...but it only takes one nutcase to endanger any of us, no matter where we are. absolutely, in terms of outright endangerment. but there's another component, of how comfortable one feels in one's daily life, before the level of the incidents rises to crime. i was severely uncomfortable in the racist-graffiti-filled georgia restrooms, although no violence was occuring against me at the time. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On Dec 11, 2007 7:34 AM, Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mic~my great aunt was Lord Mayor of Wales (let's see...that was 30 years ago) and I visited Wales for about 3 weeks at that time (I wasn't even 10 yet!) did you happen to see Tom Jones in Wales Mary?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On Dec 11, 2007 5:13 AM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hate crimes happen everywhere - motivated by race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation... Karen, Why did you take this to an extreme? From hearing the N word and being uncomfortable and missing the culture in the MPLS-St Paul area, you have taken it to Hate Crimes... HUM interesting... -- I and my horses love our track system, take a look~~~ http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On Dec 11, 2007 8:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: absolutely, in terms of outright endangerment. but there's another component, of how comfortable one feels in one's daily life, before the level of the incidents rises to crime. i was severely uncomfortable in the racist-graffiti-filled georgia restrooms, although no violence was occuring against me at the time. --vicka I have been uncomfortable in plenty of northern bathrooms myself. I would in fact go on record as saying I have been to hundreds of public restrooms in the deep south and none had more colorful graffiti than the public restrooms in NY state and california. I myself have personally left some graffiti in california public restrooms that baffle logical description but made great sense to me at the time. I dont think I would use the public restroom graffiti criteria for where to relocate tho. If so, no one would ever live in san fransisco or LA and everyone would be moving in droves to capistrano or Trinity Alabama. (all thats in Trinity ALabama is a huge divinity retreat)... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
i wonder if any people ever passed through the state of georgia on their way home to sheboygan and left some graffiti in a georgia restroom that gave all south Georgia boys a bad name. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] hate crimes
On 11/12/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the thing I cant stand is the extreme Christian RIGHT. I have seen people lose their jobs because they were the wrong religion. I have been in government department head meetings where I had to sit and listen about THE LORD and how BLESSED we all were for over an hour. That's the problem when the Church and Government lines get blurredone should never interfere or influence the other. Wanda
