Re: [IceHorses] ice and asphalt / Concussive Practices
On Jan 17, 2008 8:08 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The field trial where she foundered had a long hard > clay road going in and out the field and they said she was as big as a > barn pregnant and when the man who owned her gaited her down the road > he made no attempt to slow her and her feet made a perfect four beat > sound like a hammer on a board then on the fourth day she went down > and they had to use ropes and winch her into the trailer. when i > think of it it makes me want to cry. > That is so awful! I can't understand it. V
Re: [IceHorses] ice and asphalt / Concussive Practices
> Yes, running a horse on a hard surface is a practice that is done to get the > horses to "lift" higher, more animation in the front end. it is also a way to sore to force gait. Stonewalls mother foundered from concussive soaring and they kept her alive until he was born and then for four weeks he nursed lying down because she couldnt get up, then they put her down when one of her feet fell off. Someone might have reconsidered taking her to a field trial four days in a row at 10 months pregnant, ya think?? the people I bought him from paid 500 for her and kept her alive so they could have stonewall. now he is nutty from them taking him inside to sit on their italian leather couch with them in front of the fire. she was such a good horse that at field trials when people ask about stonewalls pedigree I just say "his dam was Ol Val" and they are all impressed if they are from the alabama field trialers. The field trial where she foundered had a long hard clay road going in and out the field and they said she was as big as a barn pregnant and when the man who owned her gaited her down the road he made no attempt to slow her and her feet made a perfect four beat sound like a hammer on a board then on the fourth day she went down and they had to use ropes and winch her into the trailer. when i think of it it makes me want to cry. Janice. -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] ice and asphalt / Concussive Practices
> Anyway, these surfaces are not only slippery, but when you go pounding > your horse along any hard surface you risk road founder. I was > looking for an article I had read a while ago on soring practises and > riding your horse on a hard surface is considered to be ..I'm > trying to think of the word...concussive sorring? Yes, running a horse on a hard surface is a practice that is done to get the horses to "lift" higher, more animation in the front end. Some people do things to protect their horse's feet from hurting from concussion, and some people do whatever they can to get more concussion. Concussive soring (aka road founder) can cause several different types of damage to the hoof, but also cause splints. If you'll remember, splints were also found on Icelandic Horse bones. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5029648-description.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splints http://www.thehorse.com/pdf/anatomy/anatomy2.pdf http://www.recoveryeq.com/laminitis_founder.htm Road Founder: Dr. Doug Leach of the University of Saskatchewan gave some interesting new insights to the condition known as road founder, a mechanically-induced type of laminitis related to concussion and weightbearing. In normal weightbearing, according to Dr. Leach, blood returns to the heart through the circumflex vein or the coronary vein. Road founder, however, is very different, from a vascular point of view. Dr. Leach illustrated how AV shunts control temperature and regulate pressure in tissue. AV shunts are also affected by the pH factor in the blood. Lactic acid would increase flow through the shunts. AV shunts may be opened by histamines, increased pH, endotoxins, or tension. Equine exercise physiology has researched the release of lactic acid into the bloodstream during exertion, and the relationship between this fluctuation in the pH balance of the blood and the separation at the toe or rotation of P3 in road founder may be critical in finding a means of preventing the condition. Many farriers are currently shoeing horses that they feel may be prone to road founder--especially carriage horses working on pavement--with heartbar shoes in hopes that frog support will counteract the effects of the change in blood flow from increased concussion or lactic acid. http://tinyurl.com/yuvp9j Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] ice and asphalt
On 16/01/2008, Jeannette Hoenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still don't think people all understand that surfaced asphalt or concrete > areas are just as slippery as ice on shod horses. So are grassy hills. I remember riding in a wagon with two shod horses pulling it. We had to go down a grassy hill during part of the rail ride...and the horses slipped. Anyway, these surfaces are not only slippery, but when you go pounding your horse along any hard surface you risk road founder. I was looking for an article I had read a while ago on soring practises and riding your horse on a hard surface is considered to be ..I'm trying to think of the word...concussive sorring? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] ice and asphalt
i dont think anyone understands when i say concrete is not as slippery as ice, asphalt is not as slippery as ice, but lets say it is, just for arguments sake... 1. a normal keg shoe does not have a cleat that will grab into concrete or asphalt while a horse is hurtling across it, grab, and hold, torqueing the joint outa whack. 2. Nobody races a horse at top speed on asphalt or concrete. 3. They have experts babying the race tracks and they are dirt for goodness sake. Why? Because they understand the physics of a horse going across a surface at speed. and look how many legs are broken on DIRT. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] ice and asphalt
I still don't think people all understand that surfaced asphalt or concrete areas are just as slippery as ice on shod horses. Just watch some of the videos on youtube with the kids that were riding barefoot on the ice, I think it was in Iceland, I was watching it about a year ago but I am not sure this much later how I came upon it. I kind of thought the kids were mimicking the adults at a competition on ice. The oldtimers were getting a hoot at the kids trying to get their horses to move out. The exact kind of thing happens when you put a steel shoe on the roads. That horse will slide like on snot if you let it do more than walk, hoping that nothing comes by you and your horse spins or hurries off in a fright. And also, seen lots of horses go down in stalls at shows on the concrete floors. I don't mean you should change your barns, just be aware of the dangers in perspective of what they are. I wouldn't ever ride in the icetolt, especially since I don't trust the hard road, but I won't beat up people that have done it. I would just have to pray everything goes safely and that is what I do on trail rides when I see the crazies go by, racing fast down steep hillsides, etc. I would guess people put the caulks on for safety and the icetolters will treat their shoes with borium spots or nails too. This isn't as dangerous in the few videos I've seen on YouTube as what I mentioned about some of the road warriors do with their horses, and I am not saying that anyone who has to travel the roads on this list are doing the type of riding I have witnessed, but I just want to keep things in perspective. Jeannette
