Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
Really, people should make as much protest about riding shod horses on roads that don't have some type of friction material applied and move faster than a walk as I am hearing about the ice ride that is coming. I agree. I was given a wonderful old mare years ago. She was supposed to be half Arab and maybe she was, but she was also wonderfully gaited. She was an absolute dream to ride and horrific to look at. Her owner had to go overseas in the military and left her in the care of a girl who cantered her down a paved road. The little mare slipped and then skidded on her side. I can't imagine what the injury looked like initially, but by the time I had her, she had huge bald patches clear down one side of her body, shoulder to hip. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
> That's really bad. However, they don't run in their stalls, and I > suppose > there's SOME argument to be made that conrete is much easier to > sanitize > between occupants than is bare dirt. But most horses hustle from their stalls to the in gate. And if you go and stand on concrete all day you'll realize how hard that is on joints (why most factory floor workstations have rubber mats for the comfort of the humans). Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 01:19:36PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: > But you don't go pounding down the sidewalk at a trot or gallop...I > imagine you are daisy picking until you reach softer ground. indeed, i take all hard ground (rock, asphalt, concrete, sometimes even frozen dirt) at a walk whenever possible. (i have had a couple of mad dashes on roads to escape cars :/ ) stjarni is very fussy about footing, and when shod he doesn't care to go faster than a walk through mud, either. interestingly, he will trot or tolt in mud much more happily barefoot; i have not let him try it at a canter. that said, he LOVES to gallop in snow. (whether or not anyone's on.) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
And there are a number of show venues in the US where the stall floors and aisles are concrete. The arenas are sand but that's the only cushy thing the horse is onfor the diration of the show. That's really bad. However, they don't run in their stalls, and I suppose there's SOME argument to be made that conrete is much easier to sanitize between occupants than is bare dirt. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
with ice they have the cleats that stick, so the horse doesnt slip and go down, the joints "take it". Janice Except that there was a video on the 'net recently of a horse tolting on ice at some demo and the horse DID go down...and the crowd laughed. I think it was on that Icelandic online TV station that has videos. I'm pretty sure I sent a link to it when I found it a few months ago. But, you're right...there are both short-term and long-term risks... for NO benefits other than cheap thrills. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
>> Come to think of it, I've NEVER seen a horse ridden >> on concrete - POSSIBLY across a parking lot at a walk outside some >> expo or >> venue, but I can't even remember seeing that? > > You'll see it here - some of our roads are concrete. And there are a number of show venues in the US where the stall floors and aisles are concrete. The arenas are sand but that's the only cushy thing the horse is onfor the diration of the show. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
On 16/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if given the choice between a sidewalk and a road, i take the sidewalk. But you don't go pounding down the sidewalk at a trot or gallop...I imagine you are daisy picking until you reach softer ground. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 01:38:04PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > in the 'burbs, it's really common, as concrete is the norm for > sidewalks. and sidewalks avoid some of the dangers of car traffic. > > > Well, yeah... concrete is pretty much the norm or sidewalks in the cities as > well as in the boonies... > > But do we ride horses on sidewalks...? I don't. if given the choice between a sidewalk and a road, i take the sidewalk. having grown up with a pony in a largely-sidewalked area and having neither trailer nor ability to drive one as a child, i usually rode on sidewalks to the park, where i could ride on grass. as an adult, at a barn whose sand ring has been an ice-skating ring for weeks, i've ridden stjarni to nearby students' houses for lessons. there is no sidewalk there, so we're on the road, and i wish there were sidewalks, since then i'd be much less concerned about being hit by motor vehicles. so yes, "we" do, even if "you* don't. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
i dont think concrete and asphalt are as slippery as ice. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
a difference with asphalt and ice -- a friend of mine's paso fino was gaiting moderately fast on asphalt and slipped and went down, she fell also and tore all kinds of ligaments and was told she will probably always have pain from it with ice they have the cleats that stick, so the horse doesnt slip and go down, the joints "take it". Janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:57:33 -0500, you wrote: >Come to think of it, I've NEVER seen a horse ridden >on concrete - POSSIBLY across a parking lot at a walk outside some expo or >venue, but I can't even remember seeing that? You'll see it here - some of our roads are concrete. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
RE: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
in the 'burbs, it's really common, as concrete is the norm for sidewalks. and sidewalks avoid some of the dangers of car traffic. Well, yeah... concrete is pretty much the norm or sidewalks in the cities as well as in the boonies... But do we ride horses on sidewalks...? I don't. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.4/1227 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 1:40 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:57:33PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > While I think that riding on asphalt or concrete should be avoided as much > as possible, ice DOES add the slippery factor that isn't present so strongly > with riding on asphalt. Come to think of it, I've NEVER seen a horse ridden > on concrete - POSSIBLY across a parking lot at a walk outside some expo or > venue, but I can't even remember seeing that? in the 'burbs, it's really common, as concrete is the norm for sidewalks. and sidewalks avoid some of the dangers of car traffic. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
I concur with Mic about the effects on feet over ice or road. I have seen so many people not take heed and trot or cantor their horses on hard surface with steel or aluminum shoes and splat. I ride only at a walk on the roads and my horses are almost always barefoot just because of the accidents I have seen. Really, people should make as much protest about riding shod horses on roads that don't have some type of friction material applied and move faster than a walk as I am hearing about the ice ride that is coming. Just my opinion. If you will show me any organized event in the USA where horses are ridden at speed on ANY ice, concrete or asphalt surface, I'll be happy to protest that event. Unfortunately, the only such idiocy I hear about as an organized sport is in OUR breed. That's just plain embarrassing to any horseman with a conscience. While I think that riding on asphalt or concrete should be avoided as much as possible, ice DOES add the slippery factor that isn't present so strongly with riding on asphalt. Come to think of it, I've NEVER seen a horse ridden on concrete - POSSIBLY across a parking lot at a walk outside some expo or venue, but I can't even remember seeing that? All the carriage horses I can think of in the historic districts go at a walk...and they are sometimes controversial for various reasons. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.4/1227 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 1:40 AM
Re: [IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
On 16/01/2008, Jeannette Hoenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Really, people should make as much protest about riding shod horses on roads > that don't have some type of friction material applied and move faster than a > walk as I am hearing about the ice ride that is coming. Just my opinion. Oh don't worry...I'll crab about that too. But right now, I'm crabby about ice tolts. Wanda
[IceHorses] ice vs. concrete or asphalt
I concur with Mic about the effects on feet over ice or road. I have seen so many people not take heed and trot or cantor their horses on hard surface with steel or aluminum shoes and splat. I ride only at a walk on the roads and my horses are almost always barefoot just because of the accidents I have seen. Really, people should make as much protest about riding shod horses on roads that don't have some type of friction material applied and move faster than a walk as I am hearing about the ice ride that is coming. Just my opinion.
