RE: [IceHorses] Barn Sour was Thumper stold Dagur's carrot.

2007-12-08 Thread kim shumaker
> >>> My rule became -- we don't take a step until
> both of us are comfortable
> with it.  ... We had some very long (time) but short
> (distance) rides when
> we first started doing this, but it worked and with
> out any drama. And in
> the process it built a strong bond between us. Now
> she will go pretty much
> any where I point her, but if I do feel her getting
> concerned I give her the
> extra support she needs.
>

This is so much like what I did with Nanna after I got
her, only I used the clicker, too.  At first I clicked
and treated for one step forward, then two, then four,
then seven, etc. (you get the idea) We did that close
to home for a while, then went a little further and a
little further and it wasn't that long before we were
going a long ways.  We stopped alot.  If she acted
nervous, we would stop and stand there until she
didn't seem to be bothered anymore.  While we were
standing there, I'd work on the "head down" cue with
her.  In just a couple of months I feel like we have
developed such a neat partnership and trust.  It's
such a joy to have that.  Even though it seems slow at
first, it's not that long before you reach your goal. 
As John Lyons says, "slow is fast".  

Kim



  

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RE: [IceHorses] Barn Sour was Thumper stold Dagur's carrot.

2007-12-06 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> My rule became -- we don't take a step until both of us are comfortable
with it.  ... We had some very long (time) but short (distance) rides when
we first started doing this, but it worked and with out any drama. And in
the process it built a strong bond between us. Now she will go pretty much
any where I point her, but if I do feel her getting concerned I give her the
extra support she needs.


Hi Kat - first, good to hear from you!  That was a great post, and very
sound advice I think.



Karen Thomas, NC



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Re: [IceHorses] Barn Sour was Thumper stold Dagur's carrot.

2007-12-05 Thread Lorraine
> 
> > > Try to feel the very first "sticky" step, well
> before the horse  
> actually refuses to go forward.  Stop there.  Look
> at something down  
> the trail a ways and mentally "lean" toward the
> object you are  
> looking at.  Ask your horse to look down the trail,


I will try that.  I seem to look at him head. 

  Lorraine


  

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Re: [IceHorses] Barn Sour was Thumper stold Dagur's carrot.

2007-12-05 Thread Kathleen Douglas

On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Nancy Sturm wrote:

  I have tried anticipating his stopping and started urging him into  
a more
forward mindset, but the place where he stops intimidates me because  
it is
in an uphill stretch of trail.


Hi all,  I haven't posted in ages but this is a subject that I have a  
"little" experience with. LOL  Been thru the "make  'em do it or they  
will never respect you" school, with the predictable results.  And  
about everything other method I heard of, and things just kept  
getting worse.

Anyway, here is something else you could try.  It is kind of  
backwards of most ways of thinking, but it has worked for me. (I  
learned it from Deb Bennett.)

Try to feel the very first "sticky" step, well before the horse  
actually refuses to go forward.  Stop there.  Look at something down  
the trail a ways and mentally "lean" toward the object you are  
looking at.  Ask your horse to look down the trail, but don't  
actually ask for any forward movement.  All you ask your horse to do  
is keep looking down the trail  -- that's it.  If he looks away, make  
a bit of a ruckus until he looks down the trail again. (Don't force  
him to look by using your reins.)  The idea is to make having his  
attention on where you want to go comfortable, but anything else is  
uncomfortable.  EVENTUALLY, if you keep at it diligently, the horse  
will go where their attention already is and move down the trail.   
When you feel the movement coming just gently encourage it.   It may  
only be a few steps the first time, but than its always those  
precious first steps that we build from.

My rule became -- we don't take a step until both of us are  
comfortable with it.

We had some very long (time) but short (distance) rides when we first  
started doing this, but it worked and with out any drama. And in the  
process it built a strong bond between us. Now she will go pretty  
much any where I point her, but if I do feel her getting concerned I  
give her the extra support she needs.

Anyway, maybe some one else will find this helpful.

Kat