Re: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training -- Eitill IS a great horse...but...
How DO we train, all of us? How do you start a colt? Maybe we could briefly outline our early steps with a youngster. My youngest ever to arrive at my place was nasi, and I just let him be a baby. He was four months old. But I took him out and had him stand for grooming, took him for walks like a dog. had his feet done regulalrly. kissed him and smooched him. Smacked him good for biting, would stand firm and act menacing when he would gallop from the other end of the pasture right for me like he wanted to see if he could scare me. made him stand at the cross ties for a couple of hours while I tried to cut his winter coat with scissors until I would wear out three pairs of scissors and my hands would be a mass of open oozing blisters. Wet him down and made sure the electric fence was on so that the next time he decided to run through the electric fence into the next paddock where there was a giant domineering walking horse gelding and his three mare harem waiting to kill him he would get zapped good. never worked. he got zapped at least twenty times a day and still broke thru wire fences. Like he had immunity from them, like electric wire meant nothing to him. I took him for rides in the trailer and would leave him parked outside walmart so he could get used to traffic sounds and car doors slamming while i shopped. took him to subway and starbucks. Walked him over flapping sheets of tin and plywood. Waded into the creek with him. walked him along busy roads, up to bulldozers running and fires burning. Up and down sand piles, into black sucky mudpits. Then year two. more of the same, but ponied him once. let him wear a saddle around in the yard. Now he is almost three and bwaaaha haa his torment shall begin in earnest! I am gonna pony him on a trail ride with Teev soon! Janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training -- Eitill IS a great horse...but...
Well put Kim. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training -- Eitill IS a great horse...but...
> Cheryl, how is Raudstjarni From ToltallyIce doing? Did you train him > yourself? You're a hoot Karen! Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training -- Eitill IS a great horse...but...
>>> IMO, making a horse back for hours (if a horse backed for hours to his mind you WERE asking for a back) due to miscommunication, and a mind set that I'm asking correctly and by god this horse will comply with my request, borders on abuse, maybe that is too light, it is abuse. Oh Cheryl. Same old, same old... You didn't read what I said. I ignored. He backed. I asked him to go forward. He backed. I ignored. Yep, maybe he WAS abusing me, and passive old me just took it. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 3/14/2007 3:38 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training -- Eitill IS a great horse...but...
>>> I'm sorry that Trausti and Eitill had to endure hours of backing/sidepassing due to miscommunication and a rider too stubborn to accept what they were using wasn't working and try something else, return to successful point, and go forward with a new plan. Basic horsemanship stuff. Cheryl, how is Raudstjarni From ToltallyIce doing? Did you train him yourself? Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 3/14/2007 3:38 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training -- Eitill IS a great horse...but...
>>> If what you're doing doesn't get the results you're looking for you don't keep at it for hours, isn't that a pretty basic covenant of considering the horse in training? I never said it was consecutive hours. Hours total. I doubt many people break training up into smaller chunks than I do. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 3/14/2007 3:38 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training -- Eitill IS a great horse...but...
> You had mentioned that one problem you had with "clicker training" > was that Trausti backed up for hours? after being clicker trained to > back up. After we taught Dari to turn on the forehand (definitely > not with clicker training) he started to turn on the forehand every > time we came to a halt, of course thinking he would please me. I've had the same experience with teaching a side pass, once they get it... for a couple of minutes they think that every time I put my leg on them they should side pass. I don't go on side passing/backing, or whatever, for hours because I have a mind set that the horse is ruined by some distant training method I'm doing it right, and by god he'll do it my way. I just briefly redirect the horses energy and go back to sidepass, multiple times, eventually the horse realizes that every time I put my leg on doesn't suddenly mean side pass. It doesn't take letting/making them sidepass for hours because they think that's what you want if you want to "help" them understand the difference. IMO this is a pretty common confusion previously C/T or not. I think you betray your horses' trust by allowing/making them go on for hours. If what you're doing doesn't get the results you're looking for you don't keep at it for hours, isn't that a pretty basic covenant of considering the horse in training? I'm sorry that Trausti and Eitill had to endure hours of backing/sidepassing due to miscommunication and a rider too stubborn to accept what they were using wasn't working and try something else, return to successful point, and go forward with a new plan. Basic horsemanship stuff. IMO, making a horse back for hours (if a horse backed for hours to his mind you WERE asking for a back) due to miscommunication, and a mind set that I'm asking correctly and by god this horse will comply with my request, borders on abuse, maybe that is too light, it is abuse. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training -- Eitill IS a great horse...but...
>>> How long have you had this horse? You said this is ten years down the road. I've had him about 1.5 years and he's 13. But, enough has been said on this. Renee is hurt. I've given plenty of details on this - the answers to all your questions are in the archives. If you want to go back and read what I've said, fine, but I'm tired of the subject. I meant everything I've said about clicker training, but enough is enough. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 3/14/2007 3:38 PM
