>>>I agree. the first saddle i got for my first icey needed a crupper on hills, but when i changed to a wintec endurance, it no longer needed a crupper, and stays in place perfectly, even on steep hills. a dixie midnight pad and a neoprene girth can also help prevent saddle slipping, to avoid needed a crupper. yours,<<<
*** Did you get a wide tree? I have looked at the wintec for Stigandi because I prefer a western type saddle and I need one to fit him very badly. He is the horse I ride most often and I don't have a saddle that fits him nicely. Sherrel
