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http://iceryder.net/videogaitnanna3.html How does Nanna's #3 gait (above) compare to this Icelandic Horse's gait: http://iceryder.net/videogaitice3.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Nanna 3
http://iceryder.net/videogaitnanna3.html How does Nanna's #3 gait (above) compare to this Icelandic Horse's gait: http://iceryder.net/videogaitice3.html I love this stuff. . . . Okay, with the gelding I see diagonal pairs working rather than lateral pairs, but broken -- that is, the front feet hitting before the diagonal rear. He also has a little jump (for lack of a better way to describe it!) in the front. There's pretty good speed involved and a distinctive head nod with the tail not really undulating (as in the racking gaits) but carried out from the body. He also looks to be quite smooth.I *think* he is doing a foxtrot -- which is one of the hardest gaits for me to see, so I'm probably wrong! But I think I see it. I like it whatever it is. : ) Jaunty little guy! -- Renee M. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 01/28/2008 9:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Nanna 3
With the understanding that I NEVER get it right: Nanna's slightly lateral movement seems to start with the feet on the same side of her body picking up pretty much together and setting down at different times. On the little chart that Judy suggested I sleep with, that makes Nanna's gait somewhere between a flat walk and a running walk. This is familiar to me because it sounds like Hunter's killer flat walk. Sadly, I can't tell the difference between the ponies. As first I thought the second horse was doing a stepping pace, but he really looks like he's doing a faster version of what Nanna is doing. Nancy
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I think we could possibly have Icelandic Fox Trotters and Icelandic Walkers. I not only think it's possible, I think we DO have them - lots of them. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that we probably have a lot more horses who prefer either foxtrot or running walk (or both) than we have natural single-foot-support rackers. I don't think we have very many natural single-foot-tolters at all in this breed - ironic that it's supposed to the be breed's signature gait. I'm not complaining either - not by a long shot! Running walk and foxtrot are wonderful gaits, great for trail/pleasure horses. I DO see a notable number of natural saddle-rackers, some step-pacers, and I see a moderate number who are genuinely multi-gaited, having virtually the full gait spectrum in their repertoire. Karen Thomas, NC
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You should be very proud of Nanna! I would be. And I love Bekka. Is that a RW?? She has a little Nasi snip :) so watch OUT. Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
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stepping pace? whatever it is it is awesome. I really like Nanna. Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
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I really like Nanna. Janice Me too. She's wonerful. Nancy
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stepping pace? whatever it is it is awesome. The first part sounds too evenly four-beat to me to be a stepping pace and I don't think it's very lateral. I can say black-and-decker to the sound, but then I have no rhythm and am totally musically impaired. :) I think her head is moving too freely for it to be a saddle rack. There's no single-foot support phase, at least not that I can see, so I don't think it's true rack/tolt. So, partly by the process of elimination, I tend to think either running walk, or a maybe a close-to-square foxtrot. Whatever, it looks very smooth and nice. I really like Nanna. She is very cute. What saddle is she using? I love the loose rein - and she's bitless too? Karen Thomas, NC
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Fon is beautiful and doesnt look old at all... how old IS she?? Janice-- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
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I just know, in a RW a horse has to be able to reach. RW is my favorite gait. Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
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http://iceryder.net/videogaitnanna3.html stepping pace? whatever it is it is awesome. I really like Nanna. Nanna is a great horse! We got some very nice videos of her! Did she trot for you? The first part sounds too evenly four-beat to me to be a stepping pace and I don't think it's very lateral. I can say black-and-decker to the sound, but then I have no rhythm and am totally musically impaired. :) I think her head is moving too freely for it to be a saddle rack. There's no single-foot support phase, at least not that I can see, so I don't think it's true rack/tolt. So, partly by the process of elimination, I tend to think either running walk, or a maybe a close-to-square foxtrot. Whatever, it looks very smooth and nice. I'm leaving this whole quote as it is interesting to do the elimination process. Good job, Karen. Nanna's gait in this video is flat walk (bordering on run walk), slightly to the lateral. The mare is in a treeless saddle (Sensation), barefoot, and bitless. This is a natural gait for her. I think it's interesting to compare this video to how the Icelandics are ridden by Feldmann, or any other icelandic-style rider / trainer. Here's some points to ponder? What are the differences? Which is more natural? Which style is correct? Which style would give more honest scores for evaluations? Which style impacts the horse less negatively? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
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Here is a photo of Bekka at about 6 mons old. All babies are sweet, but I don't think there's anything cuter than an Icellandic foal. Nancy
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Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://iceryder.net/videogaitnanna3.html I'm at work and there's limited sound on our computers, but this is a VERY interesting little mover and shaker to me. I see lateral, and I see relatively EVEN lateral movement, so not a stepping pace to my eyes. BUT I don't see the reaching stepping under of the back legs that I associate with a running walk. Neither do I see the speed of a rack, or even the slower saddle rack. Hmmm. . . .But, whatever it is, it's really a neat little gait!I'd be inclined to guess slow saddle rack, or the beginnings of a saddle rack. Or a slightly pacy running walk. That said, whatever it is, I don't think I'd fiddle with it! Look at her go sans bit on a loose rein and I'm thinking she might be barefoot too. That is what NATURAL GAIT looks like. -- Renee M.
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Nanna 3
On 30/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at work and there's limited sound on our computers, but this is a VERY interesting little mover and shaker to me. I see lateral, and I see relatively EVEN lateral movement, so not a stepping pace to my eyes. BUT I don't see the reaching stepping under of the back legs that I associate with a running walk. Could it be a little running walk without the reach? She's a lovely little mover, but she reminds me a bit of Hreggur. Is there a bit of stiffness in her back end? Does she trot freely Judy? If she's allowed to trot a lot that will help loosen any stiffness issues. Or maybe I'm just not used to seeing a running walk on a horse without a long scopey neck... Imagine that...a nice little running walk... Wanda
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Look at her go sans bit on a loose rein and I'm thinking she might be barefoot too. That is what NATURAL GAIT looks like. I don't think Nanna has ever been shod. Some may remember when Nanna won an Open 2 Gait Class at the EIGHA Gaited Horse Show. There were 22 or some gaited horses of all breeds in the class, professional trainers, and top regional riders. Nanna was the only Icelandic at the show. Nanna was barefoot and while I had a bit in her mouth, the reins weren't attached to it or even through the rings (Freedom Bridle). She showed a fantastic range of speed and even won an engraved plaque! Yeah Nanna! I'm so glad she has a great home with Kim! Boy was I surprised when we won! My first and maybe only blue ribbon for a riding class. Nanna won 1st in a costume class at the State Fair one year. I was at the show alone so I don't have any photos from the class. I'd love to see one or even better a video! The judge raved about her after I told him I was shocked that we won. I have one photo that I got a passerby to take after our big win! :o) I'll attach it. I have all kinds of great Nanna stories but most of you have heard them before! :o) Cheryl Icelandic Sheepdogs Icelandic Horses www.sandcreekicelandics.com attachment: Nanna wins the blue 6-9 -01.jpg
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On 30/01/2008, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But some horses simply can't trot easily because of the way they are built - I wouldn't really count that as stiffness in any bad way - it's just different. No not bad at all. I'm just always looking for stiffness issues when I see these old folks move. She really looks very good. Wanda
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I just know, in a RW a horse has to be able to reach. RW is my favorite gait. Does it HAVE to have reach, or is that just the ideal? I know they are supposed to overstride with r/w, but isn't the paso llano basically the same gait as the r/w, at least as far as footfalls? And the paso llano doesn't have a head nod - does it have overstride? I don't know, just asking. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1250 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 10:20 PM
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Nanna 3
I just know, in a RW a horse has to be able to reach. RW is my favorite gait. I see lateral, and I see relatively EVEN lateral movement, so not a stepping pace to my eyes. BUT I don't see the reaching stepping under of the back legs that I associate with a running walk. Neither do I see the speed of a rack, or even the slower saddle rack. Hmmm. . . .But, whatever it is, it's really a neat little gait!I'd be inclined to guess slow saddle rack, or the beginnings of a saddle rack. Or a slightly pacy running walk. That said, whatever it is, I don't think I'd fiddle with it! Look at her go sans bit on a loose rein and I'm thinking she might be barefoot too. That is what NATURAL GAIT looks like. Does it HAVE to have reach, or is that just the ideal? I know they are supposed to overstride with r/w, but isn't the paso llano basically the same gait as the r/w, at least as far as footfalls? And the paso llano doesn't have a head nod - does it have overstride? I don't know, just asking. Could it be a little running walk without the reach? Yes, the running walk does not *need* to have overstride, particularly not in the breeds other than TWH. The paso llano lacks the head nod and overstride, but it's because of conformational differences; same would be true of the Icelandic. We could call Nanna's #3 gait the paso llano. Now, it would be very interesting to see what other Icelandic Horses do as their natural gait, without all the mechanical aids (which are listed here: http://iceryder.net/mechanicalaids.html ) I think we could possibly have Icelandic Fox Trotters and Icelandic Walkers. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
