Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-27 Terurut Topik Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan 
Itu dia maksud saya nulis panjang2, hh lemot ga ada urusannya sama manajemen
memori, preloading cmn ngebuat dia ngendog doank di mem wong statusnya
inactive gak makan resource (kalo ga percaya coba download systempanelnya
nextapp) hehehe.

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On Jun 27, 2010 7:30 AM, "syaifudin zuhri"  wrote:
> Yang bikin android lemot menurut saya bukan manajemen memory, tapi
mekanisme
> virtual mchine dalam menjalankan apknya,
> Oleh karenanya dfroyo pake mekanisme baru yang disebut JIT.
> Froyo juga ga perlu resource gede seperti android versi sebelumnya,
> Bukannya petinggi google menyuruh para vendor hh android untuk upgrade ke
> froyo termasuk moyangnya andro G1
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> Ya justru itu,yg membuat lemot itu kan apkny,karena management memori dari
> yg terkesan sok tau dan sok kuasa,padahal yg paling tau apakah apk itu itu
> lagi dibutuhkan adalah mannya bukan os androidnya.kenapa android tidak
> membuat standar saja,bahwa jika os multitasking seharusnya user tetap
diberi
> pilihan utk closed aplikasi scr manual dari apk itu sendiri atau
meminimize
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> menurut saya kurang elegan.jika diberi pilihan seperti itu dan dipadukan
dgn
> management memory garbage collection,makin mantap aja androidnya,shg
minimal
> android termasuk froyo bisa dijalankan di hh dengan spek hardware tanpa
GPU
> alias spek biasa aja.saya sih berharap android spt itu, hehe..
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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-26 Terurut Topik syaifudin zuhri 
Yang bikin android lemot menurut saya bukan manajemen memory, tapi mekanisme
virtual mchine dalam menjalankan apknya,
Oleh karenanya dfroyo pake mekanisme baru yang disebut JIT.
Froyo juga ga perlu resource gede seperti android versi sebelumnya,
Bukannya petinggi google menyuruh para vendor hh android untuk upgrade ke
froyo termasuk moyangnya andro G1

On 27 Jun 2010 01:08, "Afiadi S13RA"  wrote:

Ya justru itu,yg membuat lemot itu kan apkny,karena management memori dari
yg terkesan sok tau dan sok kuasa,padahal yg paling tau apakah apk itu itu
lagi dibutuhkan adalah mannya bukan os androidnya.kenapa android tidak
membuat standar saja,bahwa jika os multitasking seharusnya user tetap diberi
pilihan utk closed aplikasi scr manual dari apk itu sendiri atau meminimize
(background running or idle),daripada harus pakai apk pihak ketiga yg
menurut saya kurang elegan.jika diberi pilihan seperti itu dan dipadukan dgn
management memory garbage collection,makin mantap aja androidnya,shg minimal
android termasuk froyo bisa dijalankan di hh dengan spek hardware tanpa GPU
alias spek biasa aja.saya sih berharap android spt itu, hehe..



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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-26 Terurut Topik Afiadi S13RA 
Ya justru itu,yg membuat lemot itu kan apkny,karena management memori dari
yg terkesan sok tau dan sok kuasa,padahal yg paling tau apakah apk itu itu
lagi dibutuhkan adalah mannya bukan os androidnya.kenapa android tidak
membuat standar saja,bahwa jika os multitasking seharusnya user tetap diberi
pilihan utk closed aplikasi scr manual dari apk itu sendiri atau meminimize
(background running or idle),daripada harus pakai apk pihak ketiga yg
menurut saya kurang elegan.jika diberi pilihan seperti itu dan dipadukan dgn
management memory garbage collection,makin mantap aja androidnya,shg minimal
android termasuk froyo bisa dijalankan di hh dengan spek hardware tanpa GPU
alias spek biasa aja.saya sih berharap android spt itu, hehe..

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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-26 Terurut Topik Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan 
Kalo ada yg buka link yg saya kasi di atas, di situ aplikasi statenya ada 3.
Nah aplikasi yang dipreloading itu statusnya inactive, dia cuma numpang
tidur aja di situ, ga makan resource apa2. Android preload aplikasi yg
diprediksi bakal dipake. Justru seharusnya preload ini bikin os lebih
responsive karena bgitu mo dijalanin appnya uda siap di memori.

Nah bwt yg unload dari memori kalo mo dipake app lain, saya rasa itu bkn
task yg berat. Yg pernah programming pake C seharusnya tau itu cuman sekedar
clear flag di memori. Jadi ga beda jauh load app ke mem kosong ato kaga.

Untuk masalah hh lemot saya rasa itu kesalahan dari appnya. Soalnya hh saya
sampe skrg masi ok2 aja tuh n yg complain lbh dikit dari yg ga complain kan
=p

Satu lagi, aplikasi2 berat kyk game itu biasanya punya quit koq, kalo dah di
halaman plg awal n pencet back biasanya itu jadi quit.

CMIIW

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On Jun 26, 2010 6:49 PM, "Afiadi S13RA"  wrote:

Kalau ini masing2 apk bisa disetting,yng paling mendekati bukan os
vista,tapi android adopsi garbage collection dari platform java,jadi android
kill apk yg menurut dia pantas untuk di kill,apa manajemen memori ini lebih
baik dari iphone,bb dan webos.bukannya banyak thread dimilis yg androidnya
lemotlah,kurang reaponaive,kenapa google tidak mengincludkan feature tutup
aplikasi seperti di windows,linux,iphone,bb,dan webos,jadinya lebih elegan
daripada jalanin apk third party macam task killer,kl feature itu digabungin
sama manajemen memori yg ada skr diandroid,aq rasa os ini akan lebih hebat
lagi,enggak seperti sekarang,mantapnya nanggug.

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> On Jun 26, 2010 11:43 AM, "Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan" 
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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-26 Terurut Topik Thoa 
Info keren... baru tau sayah...

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On Jun 26, 2010 12:42 AM, "Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan" 
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Android was designed from the ground up as an operating system (OS) for
mobile devices. Its built-in application and memory-management systems were
engineered with battery life as one of the most critical concerns.

The Android OS does not work like a desktop operating system. On a desktop
OS, like Windows, Mac OS X, or Ubuntu Linux, the user is responsible for
closing programs in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory available.
On Android, this is not the case. The OS itself automatically removes
programs from memory as memory is needed. The OS may also preload
applications into memory which it thinks might soon be needed.

Having lots of available empty memory is not a good thing. It takes the same
amount of power to hold "nothing" in memory as it does to hold actual data.
So, like every other operating system in use today, Android does its best to
keep as much important/likely-to-be-used information in memory as possible.

As such, using the task manager feature of SystemPanel to constantly clear
memory by killing all apps is strongly *NOT RECOMMENDED*. This also applies
to any other task killer / management program. Generally speaking, you
should only "End" applications if you see one which is not working
correctly. The "End All" feature can be used if your phone/device is
performing poorly and you are uncertain of the cause.

Sumber: http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement

Best regards,

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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-26 Terurut Topik Afiadi S13RA 
Kalau ini masing2 apk bisa disetting,yng paling mendekati bukan os
vista,tapi android adopsi garbage collection dari platform java,jadi android
kill apk yg menurut dia pantas untuk di kill,apa manajemen memori ini lebih
baik dari iphone,bb dan webos.bukannya banyak thread dimilis yg androidnya
lemotlah,kurang reaponaive,kenapa google tidak mengincludkan feature tutup
aplikasi seperti di windows,linux,iphone,bb,dan webos,jadinya lebih elegan
daripada jalanin apk third party macam task killer,kl feature itu digabungin
sama manajemen memori yg ada skr diandroid,aq rasa os ini akan lebih hebat
lagi,enggak seperti sekarang,mantapnya nanggug.

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On Jun 26, 2010 11:43 AM, "Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan" 
wrote:

Hmm saya kurang tau sih, smartphone pertama saya android hehehe..
Sistem manajemen memori yg dipake android menurut saya uda cukup bagus,
sistemnya mirip2 superfetch yg dipake windows mulai dari vista, jadi
preloading dulu daripada nganggur memnya..

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On Jun 26, 2010 11:22 AM, "Suwanto Afiadi"  wrote:
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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-26 Terurut Topik Andreas Kurniawan 
Kayanya ada yg mau ke seberang nih beli samsung galaksi ama acer..Bos iqbal 
siap2 pesen tiket...wkwkwkw...
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Kayaknya ada yang jadi beli galaxy nih. Suit ... suitt :)

On Jun 26, 2010 5:03 AM, "Safi Saelendra"  wrote:

Info yang muanta!! crooot dah pokoke. :)

Sejak baca ini, Adv. Task Manager buat liat2 apps yg run aja bukan
buat matiin apps hihihihi.

Tapi ntar kalo dah pake Galaxy S sih dah gak perlu mikir ada apps apa
aja yang run di backround internal mem 16GB ?? Who cares which app
is running ? Heheehehehehe.


Thanks

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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-26 Terurut Topik Alex Chandra 
Free internal memory 1.67GB.. Internal SD card 16GB..

..nexus...@cyanogenmod-5.0.8..

On Jun 26, 2010 7:37 AM, "Safi Saelendra"  wrote:

Oh iya internal storage yak

Tp kemarin yg udah pegang barangnya, di dalemannya ukurannya GB semua tuh
katanya gak ada yg MB lagi..


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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan 
Kalo menurut saya sih ga ngaruh mo di end task juga, soalnya osnya uda
didesign kyk gitu bakal prefetch app yg laen juga..toh kalo misalnya suatu
saat butuh space ram otomatis juga bakal di swap..jadi sama aja kan hehehe
CMIIW

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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan 
Kalo menurut saya sih ga ngaruh mo di end task juga, soalnya osnya uda
didesign kyk gitu bakal prefetch app yg laen juga..toh kalo misalnya suatu
saat butuh space ram otomatis juga bakal di swap..jadi sama aja kan hehehe
CMIIW

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On Jun 26, 2010 12:20 PM, "Eko Mulyo Hadi"  wrote:
prefetching aplikasi sih baik, tapi gw lebih prefer aplikasi yg jarang
dipake nggak tiba2 diloading sehabis reboot.

pengamatan di spica gw ada app yg tiba2 udah ngendon kalo diliat pake
Advanched Task Manager spt : Docs2Go, Photoshop Mobile, drocap, Google Maps.
padahal kan gw nggak butuh tiap boot saat perlu.


jadi End Task app tetap gw dilakukan buat app yg jarang dipake :)



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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Eko Mulyo Hadi 
prefetching aplikasi sih baik, tapi gw lebih prefer aplikasi yg jarang
dipake nggak tiba2 diloading sehabis reboot.

pengamatan di spica gw ada app yg tiba2 udah ngendon kalo diliat pake
Advanched Task Manager spt : Docs2Go, Photoshop Mobile, drocap, Google Maps.
padahal kan gw nggak butuh tiap boot saat perlu.


jadi End Task app tetap gw dilakukan buat app yg jarang dipake :)


On 2010-06-26, Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan  wrote:
> Hmm saya kurang tau sih, smartphone pertama saya android hehehe..
> Sistem manajemen memori yg dipake android menurut saya uda cukup bagus,
> sistemnya mirip2 superfetch yg dipake windows mulai dari vista, jadi
> preloading dulu daripada nganggur memnya..
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> On Jun 26, 2010 11:22 AM, "Suwanto Afiadi"  wrote:
>> lebih baik mana ada garbage collection atau dengan manual close, karena
>> dari sisi manajemen memori sepertinya web os lebih unggul ya, saya bukan
>> pengguna webos, tapi pengguna hp jadul palm os yang enggak bisa
>> multitasking,iphone terbaru sudah multitasking, BB apa sudah ya
>> pertanyaannya jika dibandingkan dengan manajemen memori di iphone, palm
>> webos, dan BB mana yang lebih baik, mengingat dari beberapa thread milis
>> meskipun sudah punya memori manajemen yang baik, tapi masih terasa
>> lambat atau lemot ? mungkin bisa sharing pengalamannya terutama bagi
>> pengguna BB, iphone dan WebOS mana yang terbaik.makasih.
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>> Regards,
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>> Afiadi
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>> Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan wrote:
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>>> Android was designed from the ground up as an operating system (OS)
>>> for mobile devices. Its built-in application and memory-management
>>> systems were engineered with battery life as one of the most critical
>>> concerns.
>>>
>>> The Android OS does not work like a desktop operating system. On a
>>> desktop OS, like Windows, Mac OS X, or Ubuntu Linux, the user is
>>> responsible for closing programs in order to keep a reasonable amount
>>> of memory available. On Android, this is not the case. The OS itself
>>> automatically removes programs from memory as memory is needed. The OS
>>> may also preload applications into memory which it thinks might soon
>>> be needed.
>>>
>>> Having lots of available empty memory is not a good thing. It takes
>>> the same amount of power to hold "nothing" in memory as it does to
>>> hold actual data. So, like every other operating system in use today,
>>> Android does its best to keep as much important/likely-to-be-used
>>> information in memory as possible.
>>>
>>> As such, using the task manager feature of SystemPanel to constantly
>>> clear memory by killing all apps is strongly *NOT RECOMMENDED*. This
>>> also applies to any other task killer / management program. Generally
>>> speaking, you should only "End" applications if you see one which is
>>> not working correctly. The "End All" feature can be used if your
>>> phone/device is performing poorly and you are uncertain of the cause.
>>>
>>> Sumber: http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan
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>>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:03 AM, onay >> > wrote:
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>>> Hi android users,
>>>
>>> Pertanyaan dasar: saya baru seminggu pake samsung spica. Kok sampe
>>> sekarang blm nemu tombol quite, close atau exit yah? Bahkan
>>> diopera browser yg dihp lain ada tombol quitnya tapi diandroid ga
>>> ada juga. Mohon penjelasannya..
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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan 
Hmm saya kurang tau sih, smartphone pertama saya android hehehe..
Sistem manajemen memori yg dipake android menurut saya uda cukup bagus,
sistemnya mirip2 superfetch yg dipake windows mulai dari vista, jadi
preloading dulu daripada nganggur memnya..

Best regards,

Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan
- sent from Nexus One

On Jun 26, 2010 11:22 AM, "Suwanto Afiadi"  wrote:
> lebih baik mana ada garbage collection atau dengan manual close, karena
> dari sisi manajemen memori sepertinya web os lebih unggul ya, saya bukan
> pengguna webos, tapi pengguna hp jadul palm os yang enggak bisa
> multitasking,iphone terbaru sudah multitasking, BB apa sudah ya
> pertanyaannya jika dibandingkan dengan manajemen memori di iphone, palm
> webos, dan BB mana yang lebih baik, mengingat dari beberapa thread milis
> meskipun sudah punya memori manajemen yang baik, tapi masih terasa
> lambat atau lemot ? mungkin bisa sharing pengalamannya terutama bagi
> pengguna BB, iphone dan WebOS mana yang terbaik.makasih.
>
> Regards,
>
> Afiadi
>
>
> Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan wrote:
>>
>> Android was designed from the ground up as an operating system (OS)
>> for mobile devices. Its built-in application and memory-management
>> systems were engineered with battery life as one of the most critical
>> concerns.
>>
>> The Android OS does not work like a desktop operating system. On a
>> desktop OS, like Windows, Mac OS X, or Ubuntu Linux, the user is
>> responsible for closing programs in order to keep a reasonable amount
>> of memory available. On Android, this is not the case. The OS itself
>> automatically removes programs from memory as memory is needed. The OS
>> may also preload applications into memory which it thinks might soon
>> be needed.
>>
>> Having lots of available empty memory is not a good thing. It takes
>> the same amount of power to hold "nothing" in memory as it does to
>> hold actual data. So, like every other operating system in use today,
>> Android does its best to keep as much important/likely-to-be-used
>> information in memory as possible.
>>
>> As such, using the task manager feature of SystemPanel to constantly
>> clear memory by killing all apps is strongly *NOT RECOMMENDED*. This
>> also applies to any other task killer / management program. Generally
>> speaking, you should only "End" applications if you see one which is
>> not working correctly. The "End All" feature can be used if your
>> phone/device is performing poorly and you are uncertain of the cause.
>>
>> Sumber: http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:03 AM, onay > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi android users,
>>
>> Pertanyaan dasar: saya baru seminggu pake samsung spica. Kok sampe
>> sekarang blm nemu tombol quite, close atau exit yah? Bahkan
>> diopera browser yg dihp lain ada tombol quitnya tapi diandroid ga
>> ada juga. Mohon penjelasannya..
>>
>> BestRegards,
>>
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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Suwanto Afiadi 
lebih baik mana ada garbage collection atau dengan manual close, karena 
dari sisi manajemen memori sepertinya web os lebih unggul ya, saya bukan 
pengguna webos, tapi pengguna hp jadul palm os yang enggak bisa 
multitasking,iphone terbaru sudah multitasking, BB apa sudah ya  
pertanyaannya jika dibandingkan dengan manajemen memori di iphone, palm 
webos, dan BB mana yang lebih baik, mengingat dari beberapa thread milis 
meskipun sudah punya memori manajemen yang baik, tapi masih terasa 
lambat atau lemot ? mungkin bisa sharing pengalamannya terutama bagi 
pengguna BB, iphone dan WebOS mana yang terbaik.makasih.


Regards,

Afiadi


Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan wrote:


Android was designed from the ground up as an operating system (OS) 
for mobile devices. Its built-in application and memory-management 
systems were engineered with battery life as one of the most critical 
concerns.


The Android OS does not work like a desktop operating system. On a 
desktop OS, like Windows, Mac OS X, or Ubuntu Linux, the user is 
responsible for closing programs in order to keep a reasonable amount 
of memory available. On Android, this is not the case. The OS itself 
automatically removes programs from memory as memory is needed. The OS 
may also preload applications into memory which it thinks might soon 
be needed.


Having lots of available empty memory is not a good thing. It takes 
the same amount of power to hold "nothing" in memory as it does to 
hold actual data. So, like every other operating system in use today, 
Android does its best to keep as much important/likely-to-be-used 
information in memory as possible.


As such, using the task manager feature of SystemPanel to constantly 
clear memory by killing all apps is strongly *NOT RECOMMENDED*. This 
also applies to any other task killer / management program. Generally 
speaking, you should only "End" applications if you see one which is 
not working correctly. The "End All" feature can be used if your 
phone/device is performing poorly and you are uncertain of the cause.


Sumber: http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement


Best regards,

Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan


On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:03 AM, onay > wrote:


Hi android users,

Pertanyaan dasar: saya baru seminggu pake samsung spica. Kok sampe
sekarang blm nemu tombol quite, close atau exit yah? Bahkan
diopera browser yg dihp lain ada tombol quitnya tapi diandroid ga
ada juga. Mohon penjelasannya..

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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Safi Saelendra 
Oh iya internal storage yak

Tp kemarin yg udah pegang barangnya, di dalemannya ukurannya GB semua tuh
katanya gak ada yg MB lagi..

On Jun 26, 2010 7:02 AM, "Yanuar Lutfi"  wrote:

mungkin maksudnya storage 16 GB kali, kalo memory diatas yang dimaksud itu
RAM. menurut yg saya dapet dari om google RAM nya cuma  512 MB, cukup besar
sih untuk ukuran smartphone.

2010/6/26 Safi Saelendra 


>
> Di targetin dulu, oom. kalo dah ada target kan jadi ada
> motivasi wkwkwkwkwk..
>
>...

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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Yanuar Lutfi 
mungkin maksudnya storage 16 GB kali, kalo memory diatas yang dimaksud itu
RAM. menurut yg saya dapet dari om google RAM nya cuma  512 MB, cukup besar
sih untuk ukuran smartphone.

2010/6/26 Safi Saelendra 

> Di targetin dulu, oom. kalo dah ada target kan jadi ada
> motivasi wkwkwkwkwk..
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -SF-
>
>
>
> 2010/6/26 Iqbal Z :
> > Kayaknya ada yang jadi beli galaxy nih. Suit ... suitt :)
> >
> > On Jun 26, 2010 5:03 AM, "Safi Saelendra"  wrote:
> >
> > Info yang muanta!! crooot dah pokoke. :)
> >
> > Sejak baca ini, Adv. Task Manager buat liat2 apps yg run aja bukan
> > buat matiin apps hihihihi.
> >
> > Tapi ntar kalo dah pake Galaxy S sih dah gak perlu mikir ada apps apa
> > aja yang run di backround internal mem 16GB ?? Who cares which app
> > is running ? Heheehehehehe.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -SF-
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan
> >  wrote:
> >> Android was...
> >
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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik onay 
Makasih infonya om. Oh begitu ternyata.
Oh well, i think i will gonna miss the quit button. :d

---
sent from my ondro, cool isn't it? :p

On Jun 26, 2010 5:39 AM, "Safi Saelendra"  wrote:

Di targetin dulu, oom. kalo dah ada target kan jadi ada
motivasi wkwkwkwkwk..


Thanks

-SF-



2010/6/26 Iqbal Z :

> Kayaknya ada yang jadi beli galaxy nih. Suit ... suitt :)
>
> On Jun 26, 2010 5:03 AM, "Safi Saele...

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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Safi Saelendra 
Di targetin dulu, oom. kalo dah ada target kan jadi ada
motivasi wkwkwkwkwk..


Thanks

-SF-



2010/6/26 Iqbal Z :
> Kayaknya ada yang jadi beli galaxy nih. Suit ... suitt :)
>
> On Jun 26, 2010 5:03 AM, "Safi Saelendra"  wrote:
>
> Info yang muanta!! crooot dah pokoke. :)
>
> Sejak baca ini, Adv. Task Manager buat liat2 apps yg run aja bukan
> buat matiin apps hihihihi.
>
> Tapi ntar kalo dah pake Galaxy S sih dah gak perlu mikir ada apps apa
> aja yang run di backround internal mem 16GB ?? Who cares which app
> is running ? Heheehehehehe.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -SF-
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan
>  wrote:
>> Android was...
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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Iqbal Z 
Kayaknya ada yang jadi beli galaxy nih. Suit ... suitt :)

On Jun 26, 2010 5:03 AM, "Safi Saelendra"  wrote:

Info yang muanta!! crooot dah pokoke. :)

Sejak baca ini, Adv. Task Manager buat liat2 apps yg run aja bukan
buat matiin apps hihihihi.

Tapi ntar kalo dah pake Galaxy S sih dah gak perlu mikir ada apps apa
aja yang run di backround internal mem 16GB ?? Who cares which app
is running ? Heheehehehehe.


Thanks

-SF-




On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan
 wrote:
> Android was...

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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Safi Saelendra 
Info yang muanta!! crooot dah pokoke. :)

Sejak baca ini, Adv. Task Manager buat liat2 apps yg run aja bukan
buat matiin apps hihihihi.

Tapi ntar kalo dah pake Galaxy S sih dah gak perlu mikir ada apps apa
aja yang run di backround internal mem 16GB ?? Who cares which app
is running ? Heheehehehehe.


Thanks

-SF-



On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan
 wrote:
> Android was designed from the ground up as an operating system (OS) for
> mobile devices. Its built-in application and memory-management systems were
> engineered with battery life as one of the most critical concerns.
>
> The Android OS does not work like a desktop operating system. On a desktop
> OS, like Windows, Mac OS X, or Ubuntu Linux, the user is responsible for
> closing programs in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory available.
> On Android, this is not the case. The OS itself automatically removes
> programs from memory as memory is needed. The OS may also preload
> applications into memory which it thinks might soon be needed.
>
> Having lots of available empty memory is not a good thing. It takes the same
> amount of power to hold "nothing" in memory as it does to hold actual data.
> So, like every other operating system in use today, Android does its best to
> keep as much important/likely-to-be-used information in memory as possible.
>
> As such, using the task manager feature of SystemPanel to constantly clear
> memory by killing all apps is strongly NOT RECOMMENDED. This also applies to
> any other task killer / management program. Generally speaking, you should
> only "End" applications if you see one which is not working correctly. The
> "End All" feature can be used if your phone/device is performing poorly and
> you are uncertain of the cause.
>
> Sumber: http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:03 AM, onay  wrote:
>>
>> Hi android users,
>>
>> Pertanyaan dasar: saya baru seminggu pake samsung spica. Kok sampe
>> sekarang blm nemu tombol quite, close atau exit yah? Bahkan diopera browser
>> yg dihp lain ada tombol quitnya tapi diandroid ga ada juga. Mohon
>> penjelasannya..
>>
>> BestRegards,
>>
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Re: [id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan 
Android was designed from the ground up as an operating system (OS) for
mobile devices. Its built-in application and memory-management systems were
engineered with battery life as one of the most critical concerns.

The Android OS does not work like a desktop operating system. On a desktop
OS, like Windows, Mac OS X, or Ubuntu Linux, the user is responsible for
closing programs in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory available.
On Android, this is not the case. The OS itself automatically removes
programs from memory as memory is needed. The OS may also preload
applications into memory which it thinks might soon be needed.

Having lots of available empty memory is not a good thing. It takes the same
amount of power to hold "nothing" in memory as it does to hold actual data.
So, like every other operating system in use today, Android does its best to
keep as much important/likely-to-be-used information in memory as possible.

As such, using the task manager feature of SystemPanel to constantly clear
memory by killing all apps is strongly *NOT RECOMMENDED*. This also applies
to any other task killer / management program. Generally speaking, you
should only "End" applications if you see one which is not working
correctly. The "End All" feature can be used if your phone/device is
performing poorly and you are uncertain of the cause.

Sumber: http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement

Best regards,

Ambrosius Alvin Gunawan


On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:03 AM, onay  wrote:

> Hi android users,
>
> Pertanyaan dasar: saya baru seminggu pake samsung spica. Kok sampe sekarang
> blm nemu tombol quite, close atau exit yah? Bahkan diopera browser yg dihp
> lain ada tombol quitnya tapi diandroid ga ada juga. Mohon penjelasannya..
>
> BestRegards,
>
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[id-android] Tombol quit

2010-06-25 Terurut Topik onay 
Hi android users,

Pertanyaan dasar: saya baru seminggu pake samsung spica. Kok sampe sekarang
blm nemu tombol quite, close atau exit yah? Bahkan diopera browser yg dihp
lain ada tombol quitnya tapi diandroid ga ada juga. Mohon penjelasannya..

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