Re: rfc publication suggestions
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" typed: No rocket science, but perhaps archaeology. In the early 1980s, a unix box (68ks, vaxen, et.al.) came with a multi-volume manuals, including an nroff guide. In this millennium, not all distros have nroff guides. Who is still using this dino technology anyway? i use it coz once you have a template, all wp packages are the same effort (esp. for standards) - i also have templatex for latex and word to do the same thing and have worked with people who use frame - i dont understand all this nonsense - they are all equally bad at somethings and some better at others - wysiwyg is pretty much a) bad for people with rsi b) none existent in reality anyhow given the whims of rendering and typesetting backend s/w - actually, groff man pages are not what you need - what you need are MACRO manual pages - groff_ms(7) refers you to ms(7) which is propietary as far as i know (otherise i'd post it:-) by the way, "dino" lasted 140M years - 70 times as long as humans so far, and 7M times as long as IPv4.do you have another 20 year old WP source file you can still process apart from groff? (rhetorical question, dont answer that:-) cheers jon
!! CHANGE OF TIME for IPAC BoF !!
Folks, Please note that the Appliances (IPAC) BoF time has changed. The new details are: Tuesday March 20th, 2001 3.45pm - 4.45pm Afternoon Session III Duluth room Hope to see you at the BoF. Thanks, Simon (Phone. +1.973.829.4511)
Re: rfc publication suggestions
I'm even more primitive. I don't use any nroff macros that I don't define myself in the source file. But once you have a template, it's trivial. Anyone who asks me, I send a copy of the source from some previous miscellaneous internet-draft I've done and then they, if they want, just like me, can simply leave the framework there are replace the content of that draft with the draft they want. I have no problems editing this source with emacs, MS Word, BBEdit, or whatever, depending what platform I'm on. Donald From: Jon Crowcroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:34:56 +0700." 3AB07EB0.8E8C2EB3@v lsm.org Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:22:50 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" typed: No rocket science, but perhaps archaeology. In the early 1980s, a unix box (68ks, vaxen, et.al.) came with a multi-volume manuals, including an nroff guide. In this millennium, not all distros have nroff guides. Who is still using this dino technology anyway? i use it coz once you have a template, all wp packages are the same effort (esp. for standards) - i also have templatex for latex and word to do the same thing and have worked with people who use frame - i dont understand all this nonsense - they are all equally bad at somethings and some better at others - wysiwyg is pretty much a) bad for people with rsi b) none existent in reality anyhow given the whims of rendering and typesetting backend s/w - actually, groff man pages are not what you need - what you need are MACRO manual pages - groff_ms(7) refers you to ms(7) which is propietary as far as i know (otherise i'd post it:-) by the way, "dino" lasted 140M years - 70 times as long as humans so far, and 7M times as long as IPv4.do you have another 20 year old WP source file you can still process apart from groff? (rhetorical question, dont answer that:-) cheers jon
Question of applicability, please express an opinion if you have one on this
I've been watching the horror of this barcode URL field evolve for some time. I have intellectual property in this field and do have a stake in it. But, also, it is interesting. If you are not in North America perhaps you haven't heard of this giveaway item called a cuecat. Its a barcode reader for internet access. http://www.google.com/search?q=cuecat Will give you hours of background material, none of which you need to express an opinion. Suffice it to say there are many attempts, both profit and non-profit to make all sorts of printed matter bear machine readable symbols and do things on Internet. Avoiding typing in URL's from magazines is the tip of this big iceberg. Question: Is this too far afield of ietf to consider RFC tracks as a medium? Cuecat is a perfect, bad example of trying to evade creating a real standard and kludging together functionality any old way. I'd suggest the machine readable form have the following properties: 1) Not require (yet permit) redirection, that is, a symbol can point to anything and create "action at a distance" without a 3rd party. 2) Be completely extensible via ASN.1 3) Be human lauguage aware, yet language neutral. I'm considering creating a suite of proposed standards in some detail. Specifically, there is a UDP functionality for redirection much like DNS. It is different enough from DNS it should stand alone. Seems like that *part* is a potential, logical RFC. Other standards might be EIA, ECMA, eventually ANSI blessed, for the interface between the readers and the personal computer(s). On the other hand, an integrated RFC; (more likely three or so of them), might be a single stop shopping experience for the implementor. You can answer via the reflector, or one to one, as you prefer. This kept me up last night for hours tossing and turning. Then I dreamed of alien abduction. Maybe the cuecat company, Digital Convergence, will spend there last 30 Million on a plan to suck me into the mother ship for assimiliation? Thanks for your time; (They aren't making any extra of that, so I appreciate the allocation). Dan Kolis
Re: rfc publication suggestions
At 12:07 15/03/01, Melinda Shore wrote: I reformatted it with nroff under UWIN, which really worked very well and held no surprises whatsoever. So, it's not even necessary to have access to a Unix or Unix-ish OS to use nroff for document production. Good point, but one doesn't even need UWIN. GNU runoff (groff) is available as a pre-packaged download for Windows. (No, I don't have a URL handy, interested folks should try their favourite search engine to locate a suitable binary). Ran
Re: rfc publication suggestions
At 12:07 PM -0500 3/15/01, Melinda Shore wrote: If you are a technical person and so a past, present, or potential RFC author, you will have your own systems and chances better than even that at least some of them will have `man` and `nroff`. A draft formatted with Word recently crossed my path, and the formatting was *so* bad that the document wasn't readable (for some reason something in the Word - text process deleted all vertical whitespace). I reformatted it with nroff under UWIN, which really worked very well and held no surprises whatsoever. So, it's not even necessary to have access to a Unix or Unix-ish OS to use nroff for document production. Melinda This one is because of a bad printer driver in Windows until 2K. Win2K generic text printer does not have this problem. Don't ask me how I know. Bora
ptomaine - routing table growth and aggregation
Hi All. As most of you are aware, routing table growth has been an issue of much concern. A few of us have been talking about temporary methods to alleviate the drain on Internet resources. In the vein of these discussions, we started to consider aggregation and filtering techniques to reduce the amount of routing information carried by routers with global knowledge. I've included a pointer to a very rough draft that Randy and I (with the assistance of some others) have been working on. Keep in mind that this not a recommendation for aggregation techniques, but rather intended as a discussion of the feasibility of such methods. We believe that it is interesting to determine why and when people announce sub-aggregates and what information would be lost if such paths were aggregated. We hope that is will encourage discussion from the community with us, in order for us to continue to research the impact of implementing these methods. We encourage your input and hope that folks will discuss their concerns as we continue to refine these ideas. http://www.merit.edu/~ahuja/draft-ptomaine-taxonomy-00.txt We've set up a mailing list for this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on the list, send subscription to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TUESDAY, March 20 at 1300-1400 == DESCRIPTION: The purpose of the Prefix Taxonomy Ongoing Measurement Inter Network Experiment BOF is discuss the problem of routing table growth and possible interim methods for reducing the impact of routing table resource consumption within a network. The BOF aims to discuss the feasibility of filtering and aggregating prefixes to reduce an individual networks routing table size with the least loss of routing information. In order to aid this discussion, we present a taxonomy to describe the types of routing prefixes received and sent in the Internet today. GOALS: 1) To provide a taxonomy to describe prefix information for peer review. 2) To discuss filtering/aggregating prefix information and to discuss what support from protocols or vendor knobs might be helpful in doing this. 3) To determine the long and short term effects of filtering/aggregating prefixes to reduce router resource consumption. AGENDA: - agenda bashing - defining the problem - routing table growth - review of taxonomy to frame discussion - information loss - what routes can we eliminate safely - other ideas/discussion =abha ;) ++ abha ahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Top 10 list of reasons to hold IETF 50 in Minneapolis in March
Shortly before the 44th IETF two years ago, an individual noted to this list: Hi, I happened to noticed that the 44th IETF is scheduled to be in Minnesota in March when Minnesota is usually buried in thick snow! (I've personally observed that) Probably there are good reasons why this is so that I don't know about. I couldn't resist, and wrote up: Top 10 List of Reasons to Hold 44th IETF in Minneapolis in March Anyway, for the further amusement of all, here is the -01 version: Top 10 List of Reasons to Hold 50th IETF in Minneapolis in March 10. Fewer 'tourists' in meetings 9. 'Mary Tyler Moore Show' reruns on hotel cable 24 hours a day 8. No mosquitos 7. IETF social: ice fishing 6. Easy to convince your boss that this really isn't a junket 5. POISSON debate on "Code of Conduct" draft to be resolved by snowball fight 4. 50th IETF t-shirts made of genuine Polarfleece (tm) 3. Alternative was Thule, Greenland 2. IP tunnels through anything, even thick snow 1. Governor Ventura to referee contentious WGs (if it doesn't violate his XFL contract, of course) --- End of Forwarded Message
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Re: Easy Money!!!!
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