Re: Kudos to MSP IETF hosts other ramblings
Sorry that I wasn't more specific. I wasn't objecting to the idea of work being done in a bar... I think that we need to be careful about the assumption that everyone we haven't seen before, or that doesn't speak at a meeting, is a "tourist". If we want to have an open organization, we should be more open to the involvement of new members. Margaret also,the wireless access fro mthe pub was inspired! we got really serious bar bof work done without tourists kibbitzing
RE: Kudos to MSP IETF hosts other ramblings
Hi there, I agree with Margaret on this topic, and being about 2 weeks old with the organization, for the record I haven't jumped into a discussion until now. It is a little overwhelming to say the least to jump into an "open" discussion about something. But I think I'm getting the hang of it now, whatever that means. Hagop -Original Message- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kudos to MSP IETF hosts other ramblings Sorry that I wasn't more specific. I wasn't objecting to the idea of work being done in a bar... I think that we need to be careful about the assumption that everyone we haven't seen before, or that doesn't speak at a meeting, is a "tourist". If we want to have an open organization, we should be more open to the involvement of new members. Margaret also,the wireless access fro mthe pub was inspired! we got really serious bar bof work done without tourists kibbitzing
Re: Kudos to MSP IETF hosts other ramblings
actually, the problem i have with the message was that there is an assumption about an attitude - i mean al i meant was i wanted to get good engineering work done in the normal way all effective work gets done given it wasnt actually a WG it couldnt actualy make any decisions, but it mioght get some design done (albeit it could then be thrown out by a WG which is fine by me...) i think the value of the IETF is its informality - the implied litigious american attitude about "open" = "everyone MUST attend" etc would break the IETF even more than pure size. if people want to head that way then we might as well charge corporate membershipo, ban individuals and go for the full ITU model i dunno... In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian E Carpenter typed: Design teams and editorial teams are part of our process, and they may as well meet in the pub as anywhere. As long as their results are put in front of the WG, I don't see a problem here. Brian Margaret Wasserman wrote: Not to pick on Jon specifically, but how is this common IETF attitude consistent with the IETF's stated commitment to open process? At 06:52 AM 3/23/01 , Jon Crowcroft wrote: also,the wireless access fro mthe pub was inspired! we got really serious bar bof work done without tourists kibbitzing cheers jon
