text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Marshall Rose
 Remote Access for the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta:
 Text Conferencing

At each IETF meeting, two of the working group meeting rooms are equipped
for video multicast and remote participation.  That is, for every IETF
meeting slot, two of the working groups can see and hear the
meeting. For the 55th IETF, in *addition* to the usual network A/V, text
conferencing will be provided for every working group that meets.

All of the conference rooms are hosted on

conference.ietf.jabber.com

and each is named using the official IETF abbreviation found in the
agenda (e.g., "apparea",  "dhc", "forces", and so on -- for all the
examples that follow, we'll use "foobar" as the abbreviation).

Each conference room also has a 'bot which records everything that gets
sent:

http://www.jabber.com/chatbot/logs/conference.ietf.jabber.com/foobar/

Enjoy!

/mtr




Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread John Stracke
Marshall Rose wrote:


Each conference room also has a 'bot which records everything that gets
sent:
 

Very nice.  Can these logs be included in the minutes, or alongside them?

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WLAN at IETF55

2002-11-18 Thread Bob Hinden
We are seeing some of the usual problems with the wireless support at 
IETF55 in Atlanta.  To help mitigate the problems:

1) Make sure you laptop is configured with SSID of IETF55

2) Do not allow your laptop to run in peer-to-peer mode.  Set it to Access
   Point only mode.

We are seeing many nodes running in peer-to-peer mode.  It is essential 
that people not run in peer-to-peer mode.  If you run in peer-to-peer mode 
(even unintentionally) it will disrupt other people and the overall 
wireless network operation.  Many new OS's will fall back to peer-to-peer 
mode by default.  Please make yours does not do this.

See http://www.ietf55.ops.ietf.org/ietf55/NetworkTerminal for more detail 
on OS setup.

Thanks,
Bob (for the NOC team)

p.s.  Later today we will start confiscating the wireless cards of people
  running in peer-to-peer mode



Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marsha
ll Rose writes:

>
>Each conference room also has a 'bot which records everything that gets
>sent:
>
>http://www.jabber.com/chatbot/logs/conference.ietf.jabber.com/foobar/
>

Will you keep those Web pages up for a while?  Depending on what is 
typed, they can be a useful supplement to the work of the scribe.


--Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb (me)
http://www.wilyhacker.com ("Firewalls" book)





Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Marshall Rose
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Marsha ll Rose writes:
> 
> >
> >Each conference room also has a 'bot which records everything that gets
> >sent:
> >
> >http://www.jabber.com/chatbot/logs/conference.ietf.jabber.com/foobar/
> >
> 
> Will you keep those Web pages up for a while?

sure.


> Depending on what is 
> typed, they can be a useful supplement to the work of the scribe.

exactly!

/mtr




Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Marshall Rose
> Marshall Rose wrote:
> 
> >Each conference room also has a 'bot which records everything that gets
> >sent:
> >  
> >
> Very nice.  Can these logs be included in the minutes, or alongside them?

that's up to the minute taker. remember that there isn't a moderator in the
chatrooms, so it's not really a "record", per se.

/mtr




ADHOC wireless users on ietf55 convention network (fix your darnconfigs folks)

2002-11-18 Thread Joel Jaeggli
the following mac addresses are configured for adhoc mode, fix your cards 
folks, you're messing it up for other people...

MAC address ssidchannel 

02022d433ebcwavelan network 3
02022d244ef1wavelan network 3
0205d1b561ccIETF55  11
02202102a966Home11
02233b4047b5IETF55  11
025026dc1d8bIETF55  11
0250c57e1d8bIETF55  11
360238012402IETF6
fa03ff024d03IETF6
-- 
-- 
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  resort of the scoundrel.  With all due respect to an enlightened but
  inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
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Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Jiri Kuthan
For those, who   would like to use SIP for text conferencing,
experimental operation of a SIP2Jabber gateway has been set up at
iptel.org. See http://www.iptel.org/ietf55/ for guidelines how
to join the IETF chat rooms.

Better set your expectations low  -- the gateway has not been tested 
with bigger user populations until now.

-Jiri

At 03:11 PM 11/18/2002, Marshall Rose wrote:
> Remote Access for the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta:
> Text Conferencing
>
>At each IETF meeting, two of the working group meeting rooms are equipped
>for video multicast and remote participation.  That is, for every IETF
>meeting slot, two of the working groups can see and hear the
>meeting. For the 55th IETF, in *addition* to the usual network A/V, text
>conferencing will be provided for every working group that meets.
>
>All of the conference rooms are hosted on
>
>conference.ietf.jabber.com
>
>and each is named using the official IETF abbreviation found in the
>agenda (e.g., "apparea",  "dhc", "forces", and so on -- for all the
>examples that follow, we'll use "foobar" as the abbreviation).
>
>Each conference room also has a 'bot which records everything that gets
>sent:
>
>http://www.jabber.com/chatbot/logs/conference.ietf.jabber.com/foobar/
>
>Enjoy!
>
>/mtr 

--
Jiri Kuthanhttp://iptel.org/~jiri/




Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread John Stracke
Marshall Rose wrote:


Very nice.  Can these logs be included in the minutes, or alongside them?
   

that's up to the minute taker. remember that there isn't a moderator in the
chatrooms, so it's not really a "record", per se.
 

True; but it could still be a useful log, provided there's a scribe 
reporting what's going on in the room.

It would be possible for the logs to be gathered up and included with 
the minutes, as a supplement; that wouldn't take extra effort from the 
minute takers.  But maybe we should wait and see whether the logs are 
actually useful.

(Personally, if I were going to the meeting, I'd volunteer to be both 
minute taker and scribe; then I'd take what I'd scribed to the chat room 
and turn it into minutes.  No point having to find two volunteers.)

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Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Can someone fix the X.509 certificate that is used to protect the TLS
sessions with conference.ietf.jabber.org ?

The hostname is wrong so verification fails.





port 80 of ipv6 on srv0.ietf55.ops.ietf.org

2002-11-18 Thread Shoichi Sakane
55th IETF network staffs,

i have a trivial trouble about ipv6 accessing the page "Host Information"
on 55th IETF web because IPv6 port 80 on www.ietf55.ops.ietf.org
looks closed.
i would be happy if you opened the port of IPv6 or removed  record
from the DNS.

thank you.

% telnet www.ietf55.ops.ietf.org 80
Trying 2001:240:5ff:1::2...
telnet: connect to address 2001:240:5ff:1::2: Connection refused




IETF PGP Key Signing Party at IETF 55 Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Theodore Ts'o

Once again, we will be holding a PGP Key signing party at the IETF
meeting in Atlanta.  We have been scheduled to meet at 10:30pm on the
evening of Wednesday, November 20, 2002.  (Note that if the IAB Open
Plenary runs over, we will start approximately 5 minutes *after* the
IAB Open Plenary finishes.)  The procedure we will use is the
following:

o People who wish to participate should email an ASCII extract of their
  PGP public key to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> by noon on Wednesday, November 20,
  2002. Please include a subject line of "IETF PGP KEY", and please
  avoid MIME-encrypting your e-mail.  (I will be running the entire mail
  folder file through PGP, and PGP-keys that are base-64 encoded will
  get ignored unless I take manual action to fix things.  I will try do
  the manual fixup, but I make no guarantees about catching all of
  them.)

  The method of generating the ASCII extract under Unix is:

pgp -kxa my_email_address mykey.asc (pgp 2.6.2)
pgpk -xa my_email_address > mykey.asc   (pgp 5.x)
gpg --export -a my_email_address > mykey.asc(gpg)

  If you're using Windows or Macintosh, hopefully it will be Intuitively
  Obvious (tm) using the GUI interface how to generate an ASCII armored
  key that begins "-BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-".

o By 9pm on Wednesday, you will be able to fetch complete key ring
  from the following URL with all of the keys that were submitted:

http://web.mit.edu/tytso/www/ietf.pgp

o At 10:30pm, come prepared with the PGP Key fingerprint of your PGP
  public key; we will have handouts with all of the key fingerprints of
  the keys that people have mailed in.

o In turn, readers at the front of the room will recite people's keys;
  as your key fingerprint is read, stand up, and at the end of reading
  of your PGP key fingerprint, acknowledge that the fingerprint as read
  was correct.

o Later that evening, or perhaps when you get home, you can sign the
  keys corresponding to the fingerprints which you were able to verify
  on the handout; note that it is advisable that you only sign keys of
  people when you have personal knowledge that the person who stood up
  during the reading of his/her fingerprint really is the person which
  he/she claimed to be.

o Submit the keys you have signed to the PGP keyservers. A good one to
  use is the one at MIT: simply send mail containing the ascii armored
  version of your PGP public key to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

Note that you don't have to have a laptop with you; if you don't have
any locally trusted computing resources during the key signing party,
you can make notes on the handout, and then take the handout home and
sign the keys later.

 - Ted




Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Patrik Fältström
I have tried both JabberFox and TVJab on MacOSX and can just not get it 
to work.

JabberFox just dies, and can not even connect to my jabber server for 
some weird reason.

TVJab works fine with the jabber server I connect to (psg.com) 
including conferencing there, but I can not manage to connect to 
conference rooms organized for this meeting (i.e. I can only choose 
things at psg.com, not jabber.org).

Other jabber clients for MacOSX (Fire!, Proteus) seem to not handle 
conferences.

Anyone succeeded that can come close to my laptop during the meeting 
and try to see what's up?

   paf



Re: IETF#55-Atlanta - social event

2002-11-18 Thread shogunx
> Sounds like we need a party to happen, eh?  The question is what night,
> and
> where.
> 
> S

Apparently there is a party scheduled for the garden terrace wednesday
night.  I can provide music for the occasion, if necessary.

Scott

> 
> > 
> > Based upon the agenda, and lack of a button, it looks like there is
> > no social event. I don't have a problem with this at all, actually,
> > I just wanted to verify my belief.
> > (Does that mean there is no T-shirt? I depend upon conference T-shirts
> > to keep give me an excuse never to venture into a mall...)
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: text conferencing at the 55th IETF meeting in Atlanta

2002-11-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Admittedly the Jabber clients for MacOS are sub-optimal. Hopefully that
situation will be remedied in time for San Francisco.

Peter

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Jabber Software Foundation
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Patrik Fältström wrote:

> I have tried both JabberFox and TVJab on MacOSX and can just not get it 
> to work.
> 
> JabberFox just dies, and can not even connect to my jabber server for 
> some weird reason.
> 
> TVJab works fine with the jabber server I connect to (psg.com) 
> including conferencing there, but I can not manage to connect to 
> conference rooms organized for this meeting (i.e. I can only choose 
> things at psg.com, not jabber.org).
> 
> Other jabber clients for MacOSX (Fire!, Proteus) seem to not handle 
> conferences.
> 
> Anyone succeeded that can come close to my laptop during the meeting 
> and try to see what's up?
> 
> paf
>