Jabber at IETF-59
Will there be any jabbering at IETF-59? There is absolutely no information to be found anywhere, and connecting to conference.ietf.jabber.com (which was the server of choice at past meetings IIRC) room plenary doesn't produce results of any kind, not even a timeout, for my client.
Re: Jabber at IETF-59
I used this setup, everything still seems to work I just sent a TEST message to the CALSCH room and it seems to take it. It says in part: IETF text conferencing now has a permanent home. ... http://xmpp.org/ietf-chat.html Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Will there be any jabbering at IETF-59? There is absolutely no information to be found anywhere, and connecting to conference.ietf.jabber.com (which was the server of choice at past meetings IIRC) room plenary doesn't produce results of any kind, not even a timeout, for my client. -- Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com ---|- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Office: (208)520-4044 http://Royer.com/People/Doug | Fax:(866)594-8574 | Cell: (208)520-4044 We Do Standards - You Need Standards smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Jabber at IETF-59
He is looking for instructions. Marshall Rose wrote: Will there be any jabbering at IETF-59? There is absolutely no information to be found anywhere, and connecting to conference.ietf.jabber.com (which was the server of choice at past meetings IIRC) room plenary doesn't produce results of any kind, not even a timeout, for my client. well, i'm in several rooms right now... they all appear to be working... Using which server? -- Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com ---|- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Office: (208)520-4044 http://Royer.com/People/Doug | Fax:(866)594-8574 | Cell: (208)520-4044 We Do Standards - You Need Standards smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Jabber at IETF-59
On 29-feb-04, at 21:27, Doug Royer wrote: He is looking for instructions. well, i'm in several rooms right now... they all appear to be working... Using which server? http://xmpp.org/ietf-chat.html did the trick - thanks!
bogus 6to4 router at IETF WLAN
Someone's Windows box with lladdr fe80::204:23ff:fe7a:fb3e (2002:da25:e0b0::da25:e0b0) is advertising has gotten too smart, and is advertising the default route on the IETF59 WLAN. Stop immediately. (Perhaps misbehaving hosts should get MAC address blacklisted for a while..?)
RE: bogus 6to4 router at IETF WLAN
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Pekka Savola wrote: Someone's Windows box with lladdr fe80::204:23ff:fe7a:fb3e (2002:da25:e0b0::da25:e0b0) is advertising has gotten too smart, and is advertising the default route on the IETF59 WLAN. Stop immediately. (Perhaps misbehaving hosts should get MAC address blacklisted for a while..?) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ipv6calc -i 2002:da25:e0b0:: No input type specified, try autodetection...found type: ipv6addr No output type specified, try autodetection...found type: ipv6addr Address type: unicast, 6to4, global-unicast Address type is 6to4 and included IPv4 address is: 218.37.224.176 IPv4 registry for 6to4 address: APNIC Address type has SLA: Interface identifier: ::: Interface identifier is probably manual set or based on a local EUI-64 identifier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host 218.37.224.176 176.224.37.218.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer MIKE_NOTE.dhcp.ietf59.or.kr. ping it and arp it ;) Or run around screaming MIIIK and hope that there is no kid suddenly popping screaming Wazowwwskkiii back at you ;) Btw this is probably one of the subjects to attend to soon as I've seen it causing havoc quite a number of times: - - what is the 'easy' way of 'ignoring/deprecating' RA's without turning off all the RA's. Thus that one could mark the above as 'deprecated' and that it doesn't POP up in your routing tables/interface tables. Reply is prolly better to go to v6ops... Greets, Jeroen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. Comment: Jeroen Massar / http://unfix.org/~jeroen iQA/AwUBQEKhdCmqKFIzPnwjEQI6EgCgvvZSwZetn+9ONXDk9QbCkblDFL8AoKUn SzmTXnmlFRLnzImwnKuGCRyp =2U5H -END PGP SIGNATURE-
IETF59 Wireless Issues
We have issues with wireless connectivity at the Crystall ball rooms. 59crew is working on the issue, and updates will be posted in reply to this email. Also, it appears that ad-hoc nodes are starting to appear. Please make sure you DISABLE ad-hoc modes from your notebooks. Please direct your mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for any network related issues. We apologize for your inconveniences. Woohyong Choi, on behalf of IETF59 NOC team
Re: Principles of Spam-abatement
John, unfortunately, that act of communication _is_ the adverse side effect. it tells the spammer that yours is an active, responsive email account. JLI must disagree. JLIljitsch stated it precisely and well: the fact that a message is JL discarded as spam need not give any information about whether the JL recipient is an active email account -- least of all responsive. If this were a math exercise, I would have to agree with your point. And even though it is not a math exercise, your point certainly is relevant. The difference is that there are practicalities of implementation and use that we have to anticipate. This falls under the unfortunate reality that the real-world is not conducted so carefully. On the average, user-level Internet mechanisms need to be pretty simple and straightforward, if they are to be successful. d/ -- Dave Crocker dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com Brandenburg InternetWorking www.brandenburg.com Sunnyvale, CA USA tel:+1.408.246.8253
Re: Principles of Spam-abatement
John, JLWhile I am _very_ sympathetic to the need to limit the discussion, JL I really don't see how anything useful can be accomplished if the JL chair rules principles of spam-abatement to be irrelevant. It is a small matter of seeking to have a productive meeting. Discussion about the definition of spam or other broad topics, such as principles of abatement are certainly important, but they also suffer from a) taking a long time, and b) tending not to converge on a rough consensus agreement. By contract, discussion of specific techniques can be very efficient. This falls under the category of I may not know much about spam, but I know what spam control mechanisms I like. Yes, there are weaknesses in this approach, but they aren't as bad as wasting an entire BOF debating philosophy. d/ -- Dave Crocker dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com Brandenburg InternetWorking www.brandenburg.com Sunnyvale, CA USA tel:+1.408.246.8253
Jabber @ IETF-59?
Hi, Will there be any jabbering at IETF-59? There is absolutely no information to be found anywhere, and connecting to conference.ietf.jabber.com (which was the server of choice at past meetings IIRC) room plenary doesn't produce results of any kind, not even a timeout, for my client.
Re: Principles of Spam-abatement
unfortunately, that act of communication _is_ the adverse side effect. it tells the spammer that yours is an active, responsive email account. that's only true from the smtp perspective. since smtp does not encode any aspect of consent, existence implies reachability. however, since smtp is dead meat rotting in the sun waiting for us to figure out what to replace it with, smtp is not relevant in a discussion of principles which this claims to be. (anyone who thinks that smtp can be upgraded to encode consent needs to spend a few more years Just Hitting Delete before you can sit at the grownups table.) -- Paul Vixie
dris mailing list
I realize that the DRIS BOF was put together somewhat quickly, but the mailing list situation is a little frustrating. 1) there's no mailing list archive at the URL given on the agenda 2) there are no subscription directions on the agenda 3) mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounces 4) mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounces 5) mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounces Because of the IETF's tradition of both working and making decisions on mailing lists, it's really important that there be a functioning mailing list for each of the various efforts. It would be helpful in the future if stuff like this can be verified before it's announced. Thanks, Melinda
Money Exchange
I asked the Lotte hotel where I could use my US bank card to extract cash. They pointed me towards an ATM (Global Cash Service) in the underground nearby. However, as myself and several others have found, this machine has been timing out since Friday Night. I have since found a new Global Cash Service machine on the 11th floor of the Lotte Department Store (Food Court) to the right of the blue fountain. It worked great. Cheers! --Brett
Re: Money Exchange
The B1 floor (food hall) of the Lotte Department Store is worth a visit for the huge variety of food from local specialties, live fish and Mrs. Fields cookies. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Brett Thorson wrote: I asked the Lotte hotel where I could use my US bank card to extract cash. They pointed me towards an ATM (Global Cash Service) in the underground nearby. However, as myself and several others have found, this machine has been timing out since Friday Night. I have since found a new Global Cash Service machine on the 11th floor of the Lotte Department Store (Food Court) to the right of the blue fountain. It worked great. Cheers! --Brett
Re: Principles of Spam-abatement
Paul, unfortunately, that act of communication _is_ the adverse side effect. it tells the spammer that yours is an active, responsive email account. PV that's only true from the smtp perspective. since smtp does not encode any PV aspect of consent, existence implies reachability. rogue spammers are not concerned with consent. they just want to know that you and your address are alive. feedback gives them that informationl PV however, since smtp is PV dead meat rotting in the sun waiting for us to figure out what to replace it ready-fire-aim. the dead meat is what the world uses today and will continue to use for quite some time. reports of its death are just a tad premature. When folks agree on the new mail transfer services that we need and when we try to add them to smtp and fail, THEN we can have productive discussions about a replacement transfer protocol. until then, calls for a new protocol very much constitute firing before aiming. PV with, smtp is not relevant in a discussion of principles which this claims PV to be. (anyone who thinks that smtp can be upgraded to encode consent needs PV to spend a few more years Just Hitting Delete before you can sit at the PV grownups table.) And everyone else needs to move from the generic reference to consent on to something that is more concrete, as well as being integrated into a full range of human uses for email. It would be nice to still have the baby around, after we have gotten rid of its bath water. d/ -- Dave Crocker dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com Brandenburg InternetWorking www.brandenburg.com Sunnyvale, CA USA tel:+1.408.246.8253
Re: Money Exchange
I've tried several Global ATM's. All but one of them failed, but the Citibank one worked like a charm. -- Nathaniel On Mar 1, 2004, at 12:13 AM, Brett Thorson wrote: I asked the Lotte hotel where I could use my US bank card to extract cash. They pointed me towards an ATM (Global Cash Service) in the underground nearby. However, as myself and several others have found, this machine has been timing out since Friday Night. I have since found a new Global Cash Service machine on the 11th floor of the Lotte Department Store (Food Court) to the right of the blue fountain. It worked great. Cheers! --Brett
