Re: Categorization of TCP/IP service provision types
when will we come back to catenet, so we can put the ISP in real competition? At 17:04 23/03/04, John C Klensin wrote: However, the above statement just isn't true unless the collection of terms and conditions I've seen are a very odd subset. You will not run a server is typical. You are required to use ours is much less common, and is often associated with a commercial motive, e.g., you are required to use ours, and our domain on your outgoing mail, unless you pay us more money.
Re: Categorization of TCP/IP service provision types (was: Re: The right to refuse, was: Re: Principles of Spam-abatement) (FWD: I-D ACTION:draft-klensin-ip-service-terms-00.txt)
At 19:19 22/03/04, John C Klensin wrote: The subject is not going to do away as long as people think they have a fundamental human right to do the equivalent of moving to a cardboard box under a bridge and then demanding banks and creditcard companies to see them as creditworthy as their bourgeois neighbors. Of course, that belief is not limited to the Internet... for better or worse. Actually it could be a way of describing mobiles. And it also works for 5 years old kids. jfc
Re: callplot tool for generating call flows
Thank you, Jonathan! I think this is a good example of community problem solving - solve it once, share, and it's solved for all of us! Harald --On 18. mars 2004 12:45 -0500 Jonathan Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the challenges in producing an Internet Draft is the creation of ASCII art call flow diagrams (aka sequence diagrams), such as those in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3665.txt. I tend to do a lot of these in the drafts I write. To make the process easier, a colleague of mine, Dave Ladd, wrote a tool called callplot. Callplot takes a source file that describes the callflow, and then compiles it into an ASCII art version suitable for inclusion in Internet drafts. It does automatic message numbering, labeling, and so on. It can also spit out other formats that can be included in MS Office documents, for example. To illustrate, running callplot on this input: opt/columnPitch/15 guy/f/Fred guy/b/Barney f-b/Please note/b/Gives bowling ball b-f/Stuff b..f/RTP f-b/Thank You b-f/You're Welcome produces this diagram: Fred Barney | | | | | | |Please| |-| | | | | | |Gives bowling ball | | | | | | |Stuff | |-| | | | | |RTP | |..| | | | | |Thank You | |-| | | | | |You're Welcome| |-| | | | | | | | | I think this tool would be useful to the IETF community at large. As a result, we've decided to make the tool open source, available at sourceforge at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/callplot Callplot is written in Java. Please feel free to download, use, and provide improvements on this tool. Thanks, Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D.600 Lanidex Plaza Chief Technology OfficerParsippany, NJ 07054-2711 dynamicsoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com ___ This message was passed through [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is a sublist of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not all messages are passed. Decisions on what to pass are made solely by IETF_CENSORED ML Administrator ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Re: callplot tool for generating call flows
It's really a great job, but I can't download the software from the following address, http://sourceforge.net/projects/callplot who can do me a favor to send me a copy. - Original Message - From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dave Ladd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: Re: callplot tool for generating call flows Thank you, Jonathan! I think this is a good example of community problem solving - solve it once, share, and it's solved for all of us! Harald --On 18. mars 2004 12:45 -0500 Jonathan Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the challenges in producing an Internet Draft is the creation of ASCII art call flow diagrams (aka sequence diagrams), such as those in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3665.txt. I tend to do a lot of these in the drafts I write. To make the process easier, a colleague of mine, Dave Ladd, wrote a tool called callplot. Callplot takes a source file that describes the callflow, and then compiles it into an ASCII art version suitable for inclusion in Internet drafts. It does automatic message numbering, labeling, and so on. It can also spit out other formats that can be included in MS Office documents, for example. To illustrate, running callplot on this input: opt/columnPitch/15 guy/f/Fred guy/b/Barney f-b/Please note/b/Gives bowling ball b-f/Stuff b..f/RTP f-b/Thank You b-f/You're Welcome produces this diagram: Fred Barney | | | | | | |Please| |-| | | | | | |Gives bowling ball | | | | | | |Stuff | |-| | | | | |RTP | |..| | | | | |Thank You | |-| | | | | |You're Welcome| |-| | | | | | | | | I think this tool would be useful to the IETF community at large. As a result, we've decided to make the tool open source, available at sourceforge at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/callplot Callplot is written in Java. Please feel free to download, use, and provide improvements on this tool. Thanks, Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D.600 Lanidex Plaza Chief Technology OfficerParsippany, NJ 07054-2711 dynamicsoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com ___ This message was passed through [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is a sublist of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not all messages are passed. Decisions on what to pass are made solely by IETF_CENSORED ML Administrator ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Re: callplot tool for generating call flows
At 05:12 PM 3/24/04, Felix, Zhang wrote: It's really a great job, but I can't download the software from the following address, http://sourceforge.net/projects/callplot FYI, this is because the Chinese government's firewall apparently blocks access to the whole of sourceforge.net. Apparently, there's something 'subversive' there :-( Ross.
RE: callplot tool for generating call flows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ross Finlayson wrote: At 05:12 PM 3/24/04, Felix, Zhang wrote: It's really a great job, but I can't download the software from the following address, http://sourceforge.net/projects/callplot FYI, this is because the Chinese government's firewall apparently blocks access to the whole of sourceforge.net. Apparently, there's something 'subversive' there :-( Then I guess the solution is to start using IPv6 and use IPv6gate (http://ipv6gate.sixxs.net) already used by many chinese people who are using IPv6. At least Asian sites seem to be the biggest users of the thing as they are able to read all IPv4 sites that are blocked ;) [insert slogan: IPv6: Freedom to the people ] Greets, Jeroen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Comment: Jeroen Massar / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ iQBGBAERAgAQCRApqihSMz58IwUCQGJElQAAPEoAoJjnmd8LzLjtyW1QpHr+ofmZ ETE5AJ4zQ0HPrj0VdejsyrPUFqzSeZaBQg== =Gx+3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: callplot tool for generating call flows
so who can send me a copy, I will upload to my personal website and then share with all Chinese delegates. Thanks ahead. - Original Message - From: Ross Finlayson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: Re: callplot tool for generating call flows At 05:12 PM 3/24/04, Felix, Zhang wrote: It's really a great job, but I can't download the software from the following address, http://sourceforge.net/projects/callplot FYI, this is because the Chinese government's firewall apparently blocks access to the whole of sourceforge.net. Apparently, there's something 'subversive' there :-( Ross.
Unicode Consortium Review: 31 Cantonese Romanization 2004.06.08
Begin forwarded message: The Unicode Technical Committee has posted a new issue for public review and comment. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/review/ Review periods for the new item closes on June 8, 2004. Please see the page for links to discussion and relevant documents. Briefly, the new issue is: --- 31 Cantonese Romanization 2004.06.08 The sources for the Unihan database use multiple competing romanizations of Cantonese, while the Unihan database uses yet another romanization. We feel that there is no good reason for Unicode to contribute to this confusion, so we plan to adopt a single, standard Cantonese romanization for use throughout the Unihan database. --- Also, the closing dates for issues #20 and #25 have been extended into June. --- If you have comments for official UTC consideration, please post them by submitting your comments through our feedback reporting page: http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html If you wish to discuss issues on the Unicode mail list, then please use the following link to subscribe (if necessary). Please be aware that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.
Unicode Consortium Review: 29 Normalization Issue (Closes 2004.06.08)
Begin forwarded message: The Unicode Technical Committee has posted a new issue for public review and comment. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/review/ The review period for the new item closes on June 8, 2004. Please see the page for links to discussion and relevant documents. Briefly, the new issue is: 29 Normalization Issue (Closes 2004.06.08) There is a problem in the language of the specification of Unicode Standard Annex #15: Unicode Normalization Forms for forms NFC and NFKC. A textual fix is required to make normalization formally self-consistent. The fix will not have an impact on real data found in practice (with the possible exception of test cases for the algorithm itself), because the affected sequences do not constitute well-formed text in any language. Details, cases, and recommendations can be found in the review document. If you have comments for official UTC consideration, please post them by submitting your comments through our feedback reporting page: http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html If you wish to discuss issues on the Unicode mail list, then please use the following link to subscribe (if necessary). Please be aware that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Note: If you are a liaison representative, please forward this message as appropriate within your organization. Please also note that the Unicode 4.0.1 beta period has now closed (issue #13). We have also closed issues #26, #27, and #28. Their resolutions can all be found on the Resolved Issues page, linked from the above Public Review page. Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.
