Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps)
Henrik Levkowetz writes: > I have no illusions about the fingerprints taken when I come to > IETF61 not finding their way into the US fingerprint data bases > which now, I believe, mostly hold fingerprints of criminals and > people who have been arrested and booked. Bah. Not that I want to defend the policy, but my fingerprints have been on file since my first security clearance in 1964. I've always viewed this as a benefit ... I could prove who I am should that ever become necessary. Being that I'm not a criminal and never had any desire to become one, having my prints on file has never had any downside. Having private entities keeping track of me has always seemed far more threatening than having government keep track. Perhaps that comes from having lived with benign governments and not-alway-so-benign private businesses. -- Dick St.Peters, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gatekeeper, NetHeaven, Saratoga Springs, NY ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps)
On Friday, 17 Sep 2004, Hadmut Danisch wrote: > AFAIK the US require taking fingerprints even from europeans > starting at Oct 1. So IETF60 was the last IETF I could attend > without having my fingerprints taken. I feel everything but > comfortable with that way to treat people. I agree. I sincerely would have wished IETFs from 61 and on were held outside the US as long as they run their fingerprinting policy. I feel really incensed, being treated like that. And I have no illusions about the fingerprints taken when I come to IETF61 not finding their way into the US fingerprint data bases which now, I believe, mostly hold fingerprints of criminals and people who have been arrested and booked. Bah. > Currently IETF is held at east- and west-coast. Why not > change this into south/north? Canada in Summertime, > Mexiko in Wintertime. Good suggestion. Henrik ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps)
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 09:23:40AM +0100, Tim Chown wrote: > > With the impending visa/biometrics/etc mess for the US, having more of the > IETFs elsewhere would reduce the travel burden. Maybe Canada? I'd really appreciate that. AFAIK the US require taking fingerprints even from europeans starting at Oct 1. So IETF60 was the last IETF I could attend without having my fingerprints taken. I feel everything but comfortable with that way to treat people. Currently IETF is held at east- and west-coast. Why not change this into south/north? Canada in Summertime, Mexiko in Wintertime. regards Hadmut ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps)
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Tim Chown wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 04:33:33PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > > We know that booking early saves money, and we know that locations fill > > up early. (Me, I like Minneapolis just fine. I do wish to have fewer > > meetings in the US) > > Minneapolis is indeed fine, once you discover the tunnels... > > With the impending visa/biometrics/etc mess for the US, having more of the > IETFs elsewhere would reduce the travel burden. Maybe Canada? Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto are all good choices and easy to get to for those of us coming from US. And as I understand it, cost of organizing conference in Canada is slightly less expensive then in US, but maybe that is just if you compare one large city to another (i.e. Toronto to NY) and comparing costs for conference in Minneapolis and Toronto may be opposite. Also Linux developers have annual linux symposium conference in Ottawa and costs to attent are fairly low compared to other similar venues, so maybe its less expensive there. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps)
On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 04:33:33PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > We know that booking early saves money, and we know that locations fill > up early. (Me, I like Minneapolis just fine. I do wish to have fewer > meetings in the US) Minneapolis is indeed fine, once you discover the tunnels... With the impending visa/biometrics/etc mess for the US, having more of the IETFs elsewhere would reduce the travel burden. Maybe Canada? Tim ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
