Hi Bert,
At 3:40 PM +0100 12/23/04, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
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Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 22:29
To: Brian E Carpenter
Cc: ietf@ietf.org; Lynn St.Amour
Subject: Re: IASA BCP -02 Designated Donations - section 5.3
Let me try a slightly different cut on the discussion.
1/ I believe the IETF is trying to address the fact we would like
to be able to accept support in chunks that are greater than
individual meeting fees, and less than $100kUS. IMHO,
it's not that the IETF needs to be able to accept donations
in *any* size between those, but I have heard people say that
they know the person in their company who could write a cheque
for $40k, if it will pecifically support the IETF, but there's no
way they can get $100k through their budget.
My feeling is that we all agree on the above. I have not seen anyone speak
up against the principle above.
The current text actually does capture that:
ISOC shall create and maintain appropriate
structures and programs to coordinate donations
intended to support the work of the IETF, and
these will include mechanisms for both in-kind and
direct contributions to the work supported by
IASA. Since ISOC will be the sole entity through
whom donations may be made to the work of the
IETF, ISOC shall ensure that those programs are not
unduly restrictive. For the benefit of
individuals, smaller organizations and countries
with developing economies, ISOC shall maintain
programs that allow for designated donations to
the IETF.
Lynn wants the last sentence removed.
I can sort of see that, because it is a detail and it only explains
(I think) why we want the programs to not be unduly restrcitive.
What the last sentence may alllude to is that we are thinking about
very small size of contributions (I could see individuals wanting to
donate like a few tens of dollars a year). And so that is detail, and
that indeed needs to be worked out and to be evaluated against possible
cost for doing so (as explained somewhat by Lynn).
It is probably OK to remove:
For the benefit of
individuals, smaller organizations and countries
with developing economies, ISOC shall maintain
programs that allow for designated donations to
the IETF.
and the text above
The ISOC shall create and maintain...
covers two items:
- ISOC will continue (maintain) the current IETF donor program
- ISOC will create (or update) the program to make the program
not unduly restrictive.
So are we OK on that?
from my perspective, this is better. It will be critical to review
the document as a whole once things are nearly settled.
2/ I believe we've also heard the IETF say that it wants to be able
to clearly identify its collected assets (and, as the flipside,
is willing to pay for all of its expenses). This is driven
by a lot of factors, but I think the an important one is
that the IETF believes it can and should be financially viable.
Taking the bad along with the good, we want to be in an
environment where we can prove that out empirically.
I personally am not sure I want to prove that we (IETF) can and
should be financially viable. But I DO want transparency, and as
part of thta, I do want to see which donations were tagged
and intended for IETF and how they have been allocated/credited
to IETF. So my concern has been addressed with the text on
transparency.
Lynn also stated that we currently see a 90/10 rule in ISOC in that
80% of the donations are under $10K and they bring in some 10% of
the all donations (If I understood here posting correctly).
If that is the case, then a lower bound of $10K might be fine
for explicit tagging.
Now ... I have in my mind that the lower limit for tagging is
currently $100K. So that seems to be an issue. But if donatins
above $10k are only 20% of the (number of) donations, and make up
90% of the money, then allowing tagging of that seems fine.
And for me, that seems captured in the
... to make the program not unduly restrictive.
text.
assuming I'm understanding this correctly :-) this seems fine.
snip...
Lynn also wanted anotehr sentence removed, namely the 1st sentence of
ISOC shall create appropriate administrative structures to coordinate
such donations with the IASA. In-kind resources are owned by the
ISOC on behalf of the IETF and shall be reported and accounted for in
a manner that identifies them as such. Designated monetary donations
shall be credited to the appropriate IASA
