RE: When did the ID drafts index disappear
Brian, Its not just the disappearing link to the abstracts, it's the entire organization of the site and the attitude that anyone that has any business working with the IETF already knows where everything is. I don't like playing twenty questions to find pieces of information that should be presented clearly. You reply with yet another piece of insider information. The Web site is the front door to the organization. For the past ten years it has been treated as an afterthought. Phill > -Original Message- > From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:25 PM > To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip > Cc: Andrew G. Malis; ietf Mailing List > Subject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear > > So, Phill, how about a polite note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggesting that they add a link to > 1id-abstracts.txt and to the ftp directory to the page at > http://www.ietf.org/ID.html? > > Incidentally, if you type 'abstracts' into the search box at > www.ietf.org, the first hit is the 1id-abstracts page. > > Brian > > Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > > I start at the IETF home page, go to the ID drafts page > > > > Look for the abstracts and all I can find is the database interface. > > > > If its not in the index it does not exist. > > > > > > > > > > From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:39 PM > > To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip > > Cc: ietf Mailing List > > Subject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear > > > > > > Phillip, > > > > Did you mean > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's > still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > > > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Additional Jabber Rooms to be added at 7:00 p.m. Easter Time (1 minute downtime)
New Jabber Rooms for BOF’s: offpath rtpsec dmsp wai Moving forward we will request all jabber room changes two weeks before each event. Thanks!! NSS ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: The IETF 66 Attendees Alias
Alan, et al. Message received. I agree. Changes being made. Experiment provided valuable information. Sorry for the pain. Ray IAD Alan Hawrylyshen wrote: Folks; I understand the utility and need for the administrative staff to have a mailing alias for all registered delegates for the 66th IETF event. However, in all the meetings I have attended - which is more than a few, but less than most of you - I have never been deluged with such a volume of non-critical announcements in my main inbox. I hope that people will understand my strong desire and sympathize with my point of view when I request that all general IETF messages be posted uniquely to the IETF general list and that this address be reserved only for the critical or emergency announcements by the administrative staff. One step better would be for this address to be moderated so we no longer receive various complaints about water closets and wifi unless we seek them out on the IETF discussion lists. :-) Perhaps if there is a strong desire to have a 'hallway or watercooler style' list for discussions pertaining uniquely to IETF 66 attendees, we could create a NEW mailing list that is OPT-IN called 66attendees-chat (or similar) at ietf.org. I'd even volunteer to set one up (at a different domain of course) for the duration of IETF 66. My sincere apologies if I have misunderstood the purpose of the 66attendees address but my BlackBerry is going crazy with things that I would not normally choose to have in my commercial, corporate email box. Respectfully, Alan Hawrylyshen ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
So, Phill, how about a polite note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggesting that they add a link to 1id-abstracts.txt and to the ftp directory to the page at http://www.ietf.org/ID.html? Incidentally, if you type 'abstracts' into the search box at www.ietf.org, the first hit is the 1id-abstracts page. Brian Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: I start at the IETF home page, go to the ID drafts page Look for the abstracts and all I can find is the database interface. If its not in the index it does not exist. From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:39 PM To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: ietf Mailing List Subject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear Phillip, Did you mean http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there. Cheers, Andy ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
66attendees Re: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
I have to wonder if the 66attendees list or alias is being run congruent with ietf mailing policy. it appears not. joelja Mail Delivery System wrote: This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host 10.91.34.39 [10.91.34.39]: 550 Unrouteable address -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [2001:468:d01:8e:2d0:68ff:fe06:b0a3] (helo=smtp.uoregon.edu) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzwuZ-0002HX-4e for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:39:00 -0400 Received: from [132.219.4.245] (h04f5-net84db.lab.risq.net [132.219.4.245] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.uoregon.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6AEcnGq012320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:38:58 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:39:00 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060614) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/1590/Sun Jul 9 22:34:09 2006 on mserv1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8eae9af85e4fcfe76f325e38493bf4 subscribe ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
The IETF 66 Attendees Alias
Folks; I understand the utility and need for the administrative staff to have a mailing alias for all registered delegates for the 66th IETF event. However, in all the meetings I have attended - which is more than a few, but less than most of you - I have never been deluged with such a volume of non-critical announcements in my main inbox. I hope that people will understand my strong desire and sympathize with my point of view when I request that all general IETF messages be posted uniquely to the IETF general list and that this address be reserved only for the critical or emergency announcements by the administrative staff. One step better would be for this address to be moderated so we no longer receive various complaints about water closets and wifi unless we seek them out on the IETF discussion lists. :-) Perhaps if there is a strong desire to have a 'hallway or watercooler style' list for discussions pertaining uniquely to IETF 66 attendees, we could create a NEW mailing list that is OPT-IN called 66attendees-chat (or similar) at ietf.org. I'd even volunteer to set one up (at a different domain of course) for the duration of IETF 66. My sincere apologies if I have misunderstood the purpose of the 66attendees address but my BlackBerry is going crazy with things that I would not normally choose to have in my commercial, corporate email box. Respectfully, Alan Hawrylyshen ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: No jabber rooms for BOFs?
On 7/10/06 6:10 PM, "Kurt D. Zeilenga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can borrow a room from an old WG/BOF (e.g., > ldup) in a pinch. Right, but there's a rendezvous problem that particularly affects those of us who are off-site. However, midcom will not be meeting in Montreal, and if a BOF finds itself jabber-room-less they should feel free to make use of it. Melinda ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Response to the Appeal by JFC Morfin dated 2006-02-17 - 2006-05-17.
Two appeals have been responded today. A first reading shows an impressive distance between the response and the matter of the appeal. By respect for the IETF and duty to the IETF users I represent, I will however appeal to the IAB. The real issue is the interoperability between the Multilingual Internet as the world wants it, and the Internationalized Internet as a small number of locally dominant stakeholders wants to impose it. This is why it is important to obtain clear texts permitting clear interconnects, or clear circumventions. I painstakingly obtained such texts with RFC 3066 Bis together with the serious IESG response to my appeal. The second BCP 47 Draft has been approved. As for the first part, it will be carefully appealed to obtain a complete review of the BCP 47, in the hope the IESG's answer will be of the same quality as for the first part. If necessary and appeal to the IAB will be carried, in the hope to force the IESG to respect our RFC 3066 Bis consensus. The interest of the today answers is to confirm that the current violation of the RFC 3066 Bis is a deliberate IESG policy, purposely reinstalling the confusion RFC 3066 Bis prevents. This is why it is important to carry the full appeal procedure, so no one can doubt that every clarification effort has been undertaken and everyone can benefit from it. Then, users from all over the world and the international community will decide how to consider the influence (cf. RFC 3935) of so few using their accidental dominant position to curb the culture, the languages, the expectations, the economy of so many, instead of serving them. jfc ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: No jabber rooms for BOFs?
At 05:43 PM 7/10/2006, Melinda Shore wrote: >No Jabber rooms for BOFs! You can borrow a room from an old WG/BOF (e.g., ldup) in a pinch. - Kurt ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
No jabber rooms for BOFs?
No Jabber rooms for BOFs! Thanks, Melinda ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
ip6 at the meeting
Its not that I have a big issue with it but is it really necessary to assign 3 ipv6 global-scope addresses (in addition to two link-local) for my interface (yes, I know we have plenty of ip space :)? And BTW wasn't 6/6/6 the last day for 6-bone? -- William Leibzon Elan Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
If you like, you may use ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/drafts.html. It is created daily (well, nightly) from http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-index.txt.On Jul 10, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: The IETF Web site goes for terrible to worse. It is bad enough that the site is designed with the UNIX 'hunt and ye shall find (if you are lucky)' attitude. Now the ID index has disappeared and has been replaced with a search by filename. I am currently trying to find two IDs, one submitted by RSA, another by VeriSign. I do not know the authors of the drafts but I know the subjects and in the past I would simply do a search over the web page with all the personal submissions. HOW ON EARTH WOULD I KNOW THE FILE NAME? This new interface is terrible. It is the sort of thing that a contractor does on purpose in an attempt to abide by the letter of a contract while hoping to be paid more to do the job right.___Ietf mailing listIetf@ietf.orghttps://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-00.txt
Just a reminder that we will spend a little time on the question asked by this draft in plenary on Wednesday. Brian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: When did the ID drafts index disappear
I start at the IETF home page, go to the ID drafts page Look for the abstracts and all I can find is the database interface. If its not in the index it does not exist. From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:39 PMTo: Hallam-Baker, PhillipCc: ietf Mailing ListSubject: Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear Phillip,Did you mean http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there.Cheers, Andy On 7/10/06, Hallam-Baker, Phillip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The IETF Web site goes for terrible to worse. It is bad enough that the site is designed with the UNIX 'hunt and ye shall find (if you are lucky)' attitude. Now the ID index has disappeared and has been replaced with a search by filename. I am currently trying to find two IDs, one submitted by RSA, another by VeriSign. I do not know the authors of the drafts but I know the subjects and in the past I would simply do a search over the web page with all the personal submissions. HOW ON EARTH WOULD I KNOW THE FILE NAME? This new interface is terrible. It is the sort of thing that a contractor does on purpose in an attempt to abide by the letter of a contract while hoping to be paid more to do the job right. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
Phill, When you have operational questions about the site and any other secretriat operations, could you please start by writing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that doesn't work you can escalate to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Brian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: When did the ID drafts index disappear
Phillip,Did you mean http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt ? It's still there, as always. 1id-index.txt is also there.Cheers, AndyOn 7/10/06, Hallam-Baker, Phillip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The IETF Web site goes for terrible to worse. It is bad enough that the site is designed with the UNIX 'hunt and ye shall find (if you are lucky)' attitude. Now the ID index has disappeared and has been replaced with a search by filename. I am currently trying to find two IDs, one submitted by RSA, another by VeriSign. I do not know the authors of the drafts but I know the subjects and in the past I would simply do a search over the web page with all the personal submissions. HOW ON EARTH WOULD I KNOW THE FILE NAME? This new interface is terrible. It is the sort of thing that a contractor does on purpose in an attempt to abide by the letter of a contract while hoping to be paid more to do the job right. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
When did the ID drafts index disappear
The IETF Web site goes for terrible to worse. It is bad enough that the site is designed with the UNIX 'hunt and ye shall find (if you are lucky)' attitude. Now the ID index has disappeared and has been replaced with a search by filename. I am currently trying to find two IDs, one submitted by RSA, another by VeriSign. I do not know the authors of the drafts but I know the subjects and in the past I would simply do a search over the web page with all the personal submissions. HOW ON EARTH WOULD I KNOW THE FILE NAME? This new interface is terrible. It is the sort of thing that a contractor does on purpose in an attempt to abide by the letter of a contract while hoping to be paid more to do the job right. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RFC Editor SOW Review
All; The IAOC intends to promulgate an RFP for the RFC Editor function not later than 31 July 2006. To that end we seek comments on the Statement of Work located at: http://koi.uoregon.edu/~iaoc/ This Statement of Work is a draft and will be updated to conform to the final form of draft-mankin-pub-req for the Request for Proposal. Comments on this Statement of Work should be submitted by 17 July to ensure consideration before promulgation. Thanks for your assistance. Regards Ray Pelletier IETF Administrative Director ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
