Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter

Frank

On 2007-02-10 01:07, Frank Ellermann wrote:


...  I don't like this draft, send publication
request to secretariat is more attractive than spamming ADs.


You probably need to understand what happens when someone
does that. The Secretariat simply forwards the note to the
IESG. After a while, the IESG Chair will (with luck) have
handled everything that looks urgent, and will take a glance
at draft-smith-my-new-idea and make an uninformed guess that it
fits the smurf Area. (So far, elapsed time is a couple of weeks
wait plus 3 minutes attention.) The IESG Chair will send a note
to one or both smurf ADs saying Can you have a look at this?.
And then the process proposed by draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines
actually starts - probably with another wait until one of
those ADs has handled everything that looks urgent.

It makes a lot more sense, IMHO, for the author to decide
that her work fits the smurf Area and write directly to the
ADs. In either case, the first real step is for those ADs
to look at the draft and respond to the author.

Brian

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Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-11 Thread Frank Ellermann
Brian E Carpenter wrote:

 send publication request to secretariat is more attractive
 than spamming ADs.
 
 You probably need to understand what happens when someone
 does that.

Yes, I haven't tested it yet.

 The Secretariat simply forwards the note to the IESG.

Don't they also set the pubreq bit in the I-D tracker ?

 After a while, the IESG Chair will (with luck) have handled
 everything that looks urgent, and will take a glance at
 draft-smith-my-new-idea and make an uninformed guess that it
 fits the smurf Area.

Doesn't sound good, I thought it would hit a tracker exception
or something after a while (if nobody feels like looking at it).

 The IESG Chair will send a note to one or both smurf ADs 
 saying Can you have a look at this?.

The Chair could appoint...
http://www1.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IesgWhips 
...for stuff stuck in procedural corners.  Getting the pubreq
flag is important, it won't go away unless the author gives up,
or it's transformed to do not publish / RFC published.

 then the process proposed by draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines
 actually starts - probably with another wait until one of
 those ADs has handled everything that looks urgent.

But without the AD shopping mentioned in the draft, what I
called AD spamming:  One of the two ADs has to do something
visible in the I-D tracker, like enter revised ID needed or
start a last call.  Or note it as dead, or if that's allowed
maybe demote it to AD is watching - when the authors agree.

So far I thought that authors create this pubreq flag, for 
individual I-Ds, or otherwise the WG Chairs representing some
consensus of their WG.

With the proposed procedure it's apparently the IESG creating
any pubreq flag, and you can block this important step in a
rather obscure (= invisible in the tracker) procedure, roughly
reflecting nobody feels like caring about the I-D.

Frank



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