Re: Pointer to the Rules for Normative References?

2008-05-12 Thread marcelo bagnulo braun
this is defined in [RFC3967
i think that a standrard track document can point out to a BCP and this 
is not considered a downward reference



Philip Matthews escribió:
 Can someone point me to the rules for when a document is allowed to  
 normatively reference another document? I am seen them before, but  
 cannot find them right now.

 In particular, I am wondering if a standards-track RFC is allowed to  
 normatively reference a BCP?

 - Philip

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Re: Pointer to the Rules for Normative References?

2008-05-12 Thread Philip Matthews
Thanks.

On Mon, 12-May-08, at 09:29 , marcelo bagnulo braun wrote:
 this is defined in [RFC3967
 i think that a standrard track document can point out to a BCP and  
 this is not considered a downward reference



 Philip Matthews escribió:
 Can someone point me to the rules for when a document is allowed  
 to  normatively reference another document? I am seen them before,  
 but  cannot find them right now.

 In particular, I am wondering if a standards-track RFC is allowed  
 to  normatively reference a BCP?

 - Philip

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Protocol Action: 'Mobile IPv6 Fast Handovers' to Proposed Standard

2008-05-12 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'Mobile IPv6 Fast Handovers '
   draft-ietf-mipshop-fmipv6-rfc4068bis-07.txt as a Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Mobility for IP: Performance, 
Signaling and Handoff Optimization Working Group. 

The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and Mark Townsley.

A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mipshop-fmipv6-rfc4068bis-07.txt

Technical Summary
 
  Mobile IPv6 enables a Mobile Node to maintain its connectivity to 
  the Internet when moving from an Access Router to another, a
  process referred to as handover. During this time, the Mobile
  Node is unable to send or receive packets due to both link 
  switching delay and IP protocol operations. The handover 
  latency resulting from standard Mobile IPv6 procedures, namely,
  movement detection, new Care of Address configuration and Binding
  Update, is often unacceptable to real-time traffic such as Voice 
  over IP. Reducing the handover latency could be beneficial to
  non real-time, throughput-sensitive applications as well. This 
  document specifies a protocol to improve handover latency due 
  to Mobile IPv6 procedures.

Working Group Summary

  The document has gone through WGLC in MIPSHOP WG.

Document Quality

  This is a revision of an existing Experimental specification,
  RFC 4068.

  There are a few implementations of the proposed protocol available
  already. There has also been one interop event where two
  implementations were tested.

  This specification has been reviewed by Jari Arkko for the IESG.

Note to RFC Editor
 
  Please insert Obsoletes: 4068 to the header.

Change this text in Section 5.4:

OLD:
   Whereas buffering can enable a smooth handover, the buffer size and
   the rate at which buffered packets are eventually forwarded are
   important considerations when providing buffering support.  For
   instance, an application such as Voice over IP typically needs
   smaller buffers compared to high-resolution streamig video, which has
   larger packet sizes and higher arrival rates.  This specification
   does not restrict implementations to providing buffering support for
   any specific application.  However, the implementations should
   recognize that the buffer size requirements are dependent on the
   application characteristics (including the arrival rate, arrival
   process, perceived performance loss in the event buffering is not
   offered, and so on), and arrive at their own policy decisions.
   Particular attention must be paid to the rate at which buffered
   packets are forwarded to the MN once attachment is complete.  Just as
   in any network event where a router buffers packets, forwarding
   buffered packets in a handover at a rate inconsistent with the policy
   governing the outbound interface can cause performance degradation to
   the existing sessions and connections.  Implementations must take
   care to prevent such occurances, just as routers do with buffered
   packets on the Internet.

NEW:
   Whereas buffering can enable a smooth handover, the buffer size 
   and the rate at which buffered packets are eventually forwarded 
   are important considerations when providing buffering support.  
   There are a number of aspects to consider:

   o  Some applications transmit less data over a given period of 
  data than others, and this implies different buffering 
  requirements. For instance, Voice over IP typically needs 
  smaller buffers compared to high-resolution streaming video, 
  as the latter has larger packet sizes and higher arrival rates.

   o  When the mobile node re-appears on the new link, having the
  buffering router send a large number of packets in quick
  succession may overtax the resources of the router, the mobile 
  node itself, or the path between these two.

  In particular, if a large number of packets are buffered, 
  sending them out one after another may cause some of them to be 
  dropped by routers on the path. Or they may stand in queue, 
  blocking new packets reaching the mobile node. This would be 
  problematic for real-time communications.

   o  The routers are not one of the parties in the end-to-end 
  communication, so they has no knowledge of transport layer 
  conditions.

   o  The wireless connectivity of the mobile node may vary over 
  time. It may achieve a smaller or higher bandwidth on the new
  link, signal strength may be weak at the time it just entered 
  the area of this access point, and so on.

   As a result, it is hard to design an algorithm that would send
   the packets out from the buffer properly spaced under all
   circumstances. Note that running out of resources due to too fast 
   draining of the buffer can be harmful to both the mobile node 
   itself or other nodes using the same path. The purpose of fast 
   handovers is to avoid packet loss. Yet, too fast 

Document Action: 'Applicability Statement for Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks (L1VPNs) Basic Mode' to Informational RFC

2008-05-12 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'Applicability Statement for Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks (L1VPNs) 
   Basic Mode '
   draft-ietf-l1vpn-applicability-basic-mode-05.txt as an Informational RFC

This document is the product of the Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks 
Working Group. 

The IESG contact persons are David Ward and Ross Callon.

A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l1vpn-applicability-basic-mode-05.txt

   Technical Summary

This document provides an applicability statement on the use of
Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) protocols and
mechanisms to support Basic Mode Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks
(L1VPNs).

L1VPNs provide customer services and connectivity at layer 1 over
layer 1 networks. The operation of L1VPNs is divided into the Basic
Mode and the Enhanced Mode where the Basic Mode of operation does not
feature any exchange of routing information between the layer 1
network and the customer domain. This document examines how GMPLS
protocols can be used to satisfy the requirements of a Basic Mode
L1VPN.

   Document Quality

This is an Informational I-D with no protocol specifications.

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Document Action: 'OSPF Database Exchange Summary List Optimization' to Informational RFC

2008-05-12 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'OSPF Database Exchange Summary List Optimization '
   draft-ogier-ospf-dbex-opt-03.txt as an Informational RFC

This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an
IETF Working Group. 

The IESG contact person is David Ward.

A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ogier-ospf-dbex-opt-03.txt



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Protocol Action: 'PIM Bootstrap Router MIB' to Proposed Standard

2008-05-12 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'PIM Bootstrap Router MIB '
   draft-ietf-pim-bsr-mib-06.txt as a Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Protocol Independent Multicast 
Working Group. 

The IESG contact persons are David Ward and Ross Callon.

A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pim-bsr-mib-06.txt

Technical Summary

This document defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.  In
particular, it describes managed objects used for managing the Bootstrap
Router (BSR) mechanism for PIM (Protocol Independent Multicast). This
document was created by moving some of the PIM BSR specific MIB tables
from one of the earlier version of PIM MIB [RFC5060].

Working Group Summary

Nothing of note. The WG is happy to have it completed.

Protocol Quality

Its been thorough reviewed and there are multiple, interoperable
implementations.

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GEOPRIV Interim Meeting, June 12, 2008

2008-05-12 Thread IESG Secretary
The IETF GEOPRIV WG is holding an Interim meeting June 12th in Dallas.
Please see the geopriv mailing list for more details on location and
draft agenda.
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