Re: The internet architecture

[Keith Moore]

Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 08:44:31AM -0800,
>  Hallam-Baker, Phillip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
>  a message of 431 lines which said:
> 
>> In fact it would be best for the O/S to provide an API which hides
>> the details of the IP address from the application entirely in the
>> same way that the ethernet MAC address is hidden.
> 
> I agree and some people are working on it:
> 
> Towards A Hostname-Oriented Network Protocol Stack for Flexible
> Addressing in a Dynamic Internet
> 

If by "hostname" the authors mean DNS names, then this approach is naive
in the extreme.

Granted it would be nice to have better application level endpoint
identifiers than either IP addresses or DNS names, but you're not going
to get a sufficiently fast, secure, and reliable mechanism for
associating stable endpoint names with addresses without considerable
engineering work.  DNS is too slow and too often incorrect.  And while
it's true that IP addresses don't have the right semantics, neither do
DNS names.

Keith
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Re: The internet architecture

[Marc Manthey]

In fact it would be best for the O/S to provide an API which hides
the details of the IP address from the application entirely in the
same way that the ethernet MAC address is hidden.


I agree and some people are working on it:

Towards A Hostname-Oriented Network Protocol Stack for Flexible
Addressing in a Dynamic Internet




that's pretty interesting too

" Unmanaged Internet Architecture "

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/uia/

regards

Marc

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Re: The internet architecture

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 08:44:31AM -0800,
 Hallam-Baker, Phillip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
 a message of 431 lines which said:

> In fact it would be best for the O/S to provide an API which hides
> the details of the IP address from the application entirely in the
> same way that the ethernet MAC address is hidden.

I agree and some people are working on it:

Towards A Hostname-Oriented Network Protocol Stack for Flexible
Addressing in a Dynamic Internet

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Re: Friday experiment

[Iljitsch van Beijnum]

On 29 nov 2008, at 13:15, Julian Reschke wrote:

I think it would be good to finally enforce the rules for agenda  
submissions. For instance, if no agenda for a meeting is published  
in time, the meeting shouldn't take place.


Yes, that will solve all our problems.
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Re: Friday experiment

[Julian Reschke]

John C Klensin wrote:

...
I would much rather see the IESG working with WGs to make sure
they do what they are supposed to be doing, which involves most
of their work by email, rather than figuring out how to get more
face time in --whether by big, multi-WG-interim meetings or
longer full IETF meetings.  The place where the latter path
leads is well-known, more participants proportionately for whom
"IETF participant" the the major element of their job
descriptions and less by those who actually design, build, and
operate things.  We have gotten ourselves into a situation in
which, for many ADs, the IESG is their major job commitment for
as long as they serve.  Let's not let that progress to include
the rest of us.
...


Big +1

I think it would be good to finally enforce the rules for agenda 
submissions. For instance, if no agenda for a meeting is published in 
time, the meeting shouldn't take place.


BR, Julian
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Re: Friday experiment

[Joel Jaeggli]

Michael Richardson wrote:
>> "John" == John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John> flights from Narita to the US seem to leave late afternoon,
> John> one has to transit from Hiroshima to Narita, either by air
> John> (the only departure I can find is at 0755) or train, again,
> John> killing most of the day.  Flights from Narita to Amsterdam,
> John> Frankfurt, and London (my small, not-random, sample) leave
> John> mid-day, with the same connection issues, i.e., "meet Friday"
> John> means "depart Saturday and arrive Saturday afternoon at best".
> 
>   Last time, they had IPv6 on the train.
>   If we all have to go from Hiroshima to Narita by train... can we
> just... well... have the Friday meeting on the train?

Normally, when I need to go to New York for a meetingI don't fly into
Detroit and take the train...

>   :-)
> 

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