Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Until someone digs deeper and finds out there is no deployment and not much of transition plan? ;-) Careful what you wish for. On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Gregory Lebovitz wrote: > And, maybe more importantly, the message of IETF's work spreads. In > the case of IETF 74.shirt, it's the IPv6 transition message that > spreads everytime someone wears their shirt. > > Gregory > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
On Sat Aug 1 05:40:51 2009, James M. Polk wrote: With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the devaluation of the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be distributed to any/many folks that did not attend an IETF. Hmmm... That depends on what you think the shirt means. You imply it means participation - and I'll vocally resist any definition of participation which mandates attendance as a part of participation, since you're implicitly devaluing my participation to somewhere close to zero - I'll admit I'm no Crocker, Klensin, or Postel, but I believe my participation is somewhat higher than might be implied by only having two shirts. (Paris and Prague, if anyone's counting). Attendence does mean that you've paid the fee, however, and therefore financially assisted the IETF. And you might also do that by simply buying the shirt. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:d...@cridland.net - xmpp:d...@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Am 03.08.2009 um 11:09 schrieb Dave Cridland: And you might also do that by simply buying the shirt. sorry that i am asking again , where ? Marc -- Les Enfants Terribles - WWW.LET.DE Marc Manthey 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstr. 97 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 mail: m...@let.de jabber :m...@kgraff.net IRC: #opencu freenode.net PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast web: http://www.let.de___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 10:09:56AM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote: > > Hmmm... That depends on what you think the shirt means. You imply it > means participation - and I'll vocally resist any definition of > participation which mandates attendance as a part of participation, > since you're implicitly devaluing my participation to somewhere close > to zero - I'll admit I'm no Crocker, Klensin, or Postel, but I > believe my participation is somewhat higher than might be implied by > only having two shirts. (Paris and Prague, if anyone's counting). I have another scenario for draft-ietf-more-t-shirts-please, which is the much loved but heavily faded or worn t-shirt. I really liked my IETF55 sports-style Nokia IPv6 shirt, but it's now relegated to gardening duty. A chance to get a new version would be awesome, and while I doubt we'll do backdated t-shirts, I can imagine the IETF74 shirt we have 'source' for being similarly desirable in five years time. I agree the income to the IETF will not exactly be huge, but more people being seen in IETF shirts is no bad thing for awareness. Often seeing someone else in a past IETF shirt invites a conversation that would never happen otherwise. I also think there's room for non-event shirts, like the i...@20 one. And these t-shirts don't have to be fascimiles - I would be quite happy to order t-shirts in different colours, or even as a polo shirt or in 'female tee' form for a partner. If the IETF chooses to use an appropriate t-shirt company, that sort of bespoke ordering should be possible. Of course I realise this is all work for someone, and there are bigger fish to fry. I would be happy to spend some cycles helping out if volunteers are needed. -- Tim ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 01:16:17PM +0100, Tim Chown wrote: > > I have another scenario for draft-ietf-more-t-shirts-please, which is the > much loved but heavily faded or worn t-shirt. I really liked my IETF55 > sports-style Nokia IPv6 shirt, but it's now relegated to gardening duty. > A chance to get a new version would be awesome, and while I doubt we'll > do backdated t-shirts, I can imagine the IETF74 shirt we have 'source' > for being similarly desirable in five years time. > > I agree the income to the IETF will not exactly be huge, but more people > being seen in IETF shirts is no bad thing for awareness. Often seeing > someone else in a past IETF shirt invites a conversation that would never > happen otherwise. The T-shirt I'd really like to get a reprint of is the "Story of the Mighty Vasa --- Another Failure of the Seven Layer Model" T-shirt --- which I think was an IETF shirt, but am not completely certain. There are companies, such as CafePress.com, that will do on-demand T-shirts, and even return a small design royalty to the company/organization that created the design. So something like that is quite possible; finding the volunteers to organize getting the rights to the design is probably the hardest part of the exercise (and yes, the amount of money returned to the IETF would be small, and not worth doing for that reason alone). - Ted ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Theodore Tso wrote: > The T-shirt I'd really like to get a reprint of is the "Story of the > Mighty Vasa --- Another Failure of the Seven Layer Model" T-shirt --- > which I think was an IETF shirt, but am not completely certain. If you mean the "Mighty Vasa Sinks on Maiden Voyage" one, with the final text under the main text/pictures reading "Another failed project based upon a Seven Layer Model", it is a Bunyip T-shirt, not an IETF one. > - Ted --Johnny ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Am 03.08.2009 um 16:45 schrieb Johnny Eriksson: Theodore Tso wrote: The T-shirt I'd really like to get a reprint of is the "Story of the Mighty Vasa --- Another Failure of the Seven Layer Model" T-shirt --- which I think was an IETF shirt, but am not completely certain. If you mean the "Mighty Vasa Sinks on Maiden Voyage" one, with the final text under the main text/pictures reading "Another failed project based upon a Seven Layer Model", it is a Bunyip T-shirt, not an IETF one. *lol* still there http://lipas.uwasa.fi/comm/cmc/cusm/ cheers - Ted --Johnny ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
[Fwd: [ntpwg] Last Call: draft-ietf-ntp-dhcpv6-ntp-opt (Network Time Protocol (NTP) Server Option for DHCPv6) to Proposed Standard]
The NTP protocol is inappropriately ONLY adding functionality for other protocols which are already hosted by the entity hosting the NTPWG work and as such this is a HUGE conflict of interest without adding NTP to NEA and other protocols. Todd Glassey Original Message Subject: [ntpwg] Last Call: draft-ietf-ntp-dhcpv6-ntp-opt (Network Time Protocol (NTP) Server Option for DHCPv6) to Proposed Standard Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: The IESG Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org To: IETF-Announce CC: nt...@lists.ntp.isc.org The IESG has received a request from the Network Time Protocol WG (ntp) to consider the following document: - 'Network Time Protocol (NTP) Server Option for DHCPv6 ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2009-08-17. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to i...@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ntp-dhcpv6-ntp-opt-04.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=17276&rfc_flag=0 ___ ntpwg mailing list nt...@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/ntpwg No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2278 - Release Date: 08/02/09 17:56:00 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Fred Baker wrote:
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote:
this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?"
That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had been
considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print the
designs and enabling IETFers to order them.
With regard to the concern about losing the sense of special uniqueness, at
having gotten an original memento *at the event*, the history of the Unix
license plate might be helpful.
The first time the Unix meeting was large (400 people?) was in Santa Monica and
the DEC point of contact got up to do his usual presentation, saying first he
wanted to comment on the constant request that DEC provide Unix licenses. (Bell
provided the licenses, since it was their software, and DEC just sold bare
hardware; so folks wanted one-stop shopping.)
Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix
license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix" on it,
purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die").
This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to do it
again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not permit this, that
it had been a one-time special.
The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again, but in a
different color.
This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the
original, without losing the essence, might help here.
d/
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RE: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Not to be a stickler for detail (this isn't an RFC afterall).
But, the DEC Unix group was in New Hampshire, and the State motto of New
Hampshire is "Live Free or Die". Just to give credit where credit is
due.
Funny to think of those poor folks in the prisons making the State
License plates with that Motto written on them.
Fred Knight
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From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:d...@dcrocker.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:23 AM
To: Fred Baker
Cc: ietf@ietf.org; 74attend...@ietf.org; 75attend...@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Fred Baker wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote:
>> this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?"
>
> That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had
> been considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print
> the designs and enabling IETFers to order them.
With regard to the concern about losing the sense of special uniqueness,
at
having gotten an original memento *at the event*, the history of the
Unix
license plate might be helpful.
The first time the Unix meeting was large (400 people?) was in Santa
Monica and
the DEC point of contact got up to do his usual presentation, saying
first he
wanted to comment on the constant request that DEC provide Unix
licenses. (Bell
provided the licenses, since it was their software, and DEC just sold
bare
hardware; so folks wanted one-stop shopping.)
Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix
license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix"
on it,
purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die").
This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to
do it
again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not permit
this, that
it had been a one-time special.
The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again,
but in a
different color.
This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the
original, without losing the essence, might help here.
d/
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Brandenburg InternetWorking
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Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
On Aug 1, 2009, at 2:08 AM, Fred Baker wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:49 AM, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the IETF Trust. Speaking as a Trustee, the Trust thanks Juniper for the donation. Dear Gregory; I would also like to thank Juniper for this donation. Regards Marshall ___ 75attendees mailing list 75attend...@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees Marshall Eubanks CTO / Iformata Communications marshall.euba...@iformata.com ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: anchor parameter, was: Last Call: draft-nottingham-http-link-header (Web Linking) to Proposed Standard
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Julian Reschke wrote: > Ian Hickson wrote: > > ... > > Unless there are really strong use cases, I think that the anchor= attribute > > should be dropped. In practice, implementations today ignore that attribute, > > which would mean that, e.g., a rel=stylesheet;anchor=a link would fail to > > have the "right" effect. If it is kept, then the right behaviour for how > > this should integrate with style sheet linking should be defined in great > > detail. > > Could you please elaborate what the "right" effect is, and how current > implementations fail for that? Well unless I'm mistaken, if we have a resource A that has: Link: ; rel=stylesheet; anchor=C ...then that means we have a link: C - stylesheet - B ...which means that applying the style sheet to A would be wrong. Yet that is what UAs that support Link: would presumably do. > It appears to me that anchor is not relevant for every single link > relation, but that doesn't mean it's not useful at all. I don't see how it can't be relevant... if the link relation is between two resources, then acting as if it was a relationship between others seems wrong. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: Last Call: draft-turner-deviceowner-attribute (Device OwnerAttribute) to Informational RFC
Hello I have a few minor comments: 1. The definition of the deviceOwner attribute in section 2 indicates: "IDENTIFIED BY id-deviceOwner" This should be updated to reflect the text in Appendix A: "IDENTIFIED BYid-aa-KP-deviceOwner" 2. The ASN.1 definitions (section 2 and appendix a) of DeviceOwner contain the following: "numericCountry INTEGER ( SIZE (0...999)," The ASN.1 (X.680) notation for a range separator is ".." rather than an ellipsis. The syntax of the numericCountry choice should be changed to this: "numericCountry INTEGER ( SIZE (0..999)," 3. The matching rule is defined to be: "This rule returns a TRUE if and only if the DeviceOwner value exactly matches the presented value. " By "exactly" do you mean that case is sensitive for the Printable Strings? I.e. "AU" will not match "au"? 4. The ID indicates that no IANA considerations are required since the identifiers are already registered. It would be preferable if the attribute type and matching rule definitions were registered with the IANA LDAP descriptors registry. Regards, Andrew Sciberras >-Original Message- >From: ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org] On >Behalf Of The IESG >Sent: Friday, 31 July 2009 9:52 PM >To: IETF-Announce >Subject: Last Call: draft-turner-deviceowner-attribute (Device OwnerAttribute) to >Informational RFC > >The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider >the following document: > >- 'Device Owner Attribute ' >as an Informational RFC > >The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits >final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the >ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2009-08-28. Exceptionally, >comments may be sent to i...@ietf.org instead. In either case, please >retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > >The file can be obtained via >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-turner-deviceowner-attribute-01.t xt > > >IESG discussion can be tracked via >https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=177 56&rfc >_flag=0 > >___ >IETF-Announce mailing list >ietf-annou...@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
draft-turner-deviceowner-attribute last call comment
Hi Sean, It seems odd to me that the only options for naming a device owner are to use a country code or an OID that might represent a group of countries (or something else). Either this draft is only referring to some very special devices or else its missing *much* more natural identifiers for device owners, e.g. DNS names, email addresses etc. So I think either change the ASN.1 (perhaps to include a GeneralName in the choice) or else change the text to say which kind(s) of device tend to be owned by countries or groups of countries so that readers of the resulting RFC have some kind of clue as to what the document is really about. I guess I'd prefer the former option, but since this is going to be informational am fine with the latter so long as its clear about the kind(s) of device to which the putative RFC is meant to apply. Cheers, Stephen. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Dave CROCKER wrote:
>
> Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix
> license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix"
> on it, purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die").
>
> This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to
> do it again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not
> permit this, that it had been a one-time special.
>
> The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again,
> but in a different color.
In point of fact they (Compaq by then) later produced Linux license
plates, which is either a derivative work or a more complete realization
or both depending on your perspective.
> This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the
> original, without losing the essence, might help here.
>
> d/
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