Re: Please Call the FBI, Red Chinese Spiy Enclave in SF CA!
Kysi, can you do us all a favor, and stop copying the IETF list on this stuff, I get enough e-mail with out getting additional stuff that #1I don't care about, #2 has nothing to do with why most of us signed up to participate in this group. Best Regards, Alan kysi ferul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- kysi ferul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > Note: forwarded message attached.> > > => [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.> http://invites.yahoo.com/> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:33:37 -0700 (PDT)> From: Hera McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Please Call the FBI, Red Chinese Spiy> Enclave in SF CA!> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Note: forwarded message attached.> > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.> http://invites.yahoo.com/> ATTACHMENT ! part 2.2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:28:01 -0700 (PDT)> From: Hera McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Please Call the FBI, Red Chinese Spiy> Enclave in SF CA!> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Note: This is an ALERT re: RED CHINESE in the USA,> it is NOT about AMERICAN-CHINESE NATIVE BORN> CITIZENS!> > ANDif, even 'if' it could be 'proved' that> these > 'kids' who were BORN in RED CHINA and HAVE NO> DISCERNABLE ACCENTS OF ANY KIND...(ALL BOYS NO> GIRLS!)> and although this is in spite of the fact of their> coming here being at least 10 or so TEN YEARS AGO> from> CHINA. commie; and their 'FOLKS' (highly unlikely> at> this time that there can be any NATURAL AFFILIATION> among these 'TRIADS' of THREE INDIVIDUALS...a> 40-year-old 'DAD', 30-year-old 'Mom' and> 20-somethin! g> 'Son' who often times is still atending LOWELL HIGH> SCHOOL! > still speak NO ENGLISH...if someone could 'prove'> they were here legitamately...?IMPOSSIBLE! WHY?> > Why are tthey truying to BUY a "last minute"> 'AMNESTY'> from CLINTON ADMINSISTRATION before it leaves> office?> Why are the BUSH people trying to get that NEW LAW> in> there that ALLOWS COMMIE BASTARDS into America...if> they are "HISPANIC"...from PANAMA CANAL? Yes! They> are> trying to SELL 'good-conduct-passes' to CHINAMEN> from> RED CHINA who are taking-up a 2nd> PASSPORT..."PANAMANIAN REGISTRATION by Kathy-Lee!"> > This country had a very similar problem TWICE with> CHINESE IMMIGRATION, souch were the OWES when they> WERE NOT TRAINED ENEMY AGENTS...we still had to> PROHIBIT ALL "CHINESE RACE" people from so much as> ENTERING the US...for EIGHTY YEARS! 80-YEARS! And it> was NOT a Mistake! And many refor! mers INCLUDING> TEDDY> ROOSEVELT thought it a bit 'mean'.. not being able> to> VOTE if a Japanese American was born in this country> do he tried to fix it! But, the whole gambit of> events> is always in play. If the JApanese in Japan aren't> invading China, then the Chinese are invading Korea> for the Japanese! (or Russians?) But it just bnever> ends!Which is what we had JUST LEARNED from> MILLENIUMS> of EUROPEAN HISTORY...it is an aspect of MAn's> personality to constantly create change in the form> of> CONFLICTS, but AMERICA breaks the mold a littel, and> it is that litle which keeps the WHOLE INDUSTRIAL> WORLD FROM ANOTHER "FIRST WORLD WAR" style> conflict-which, if it ever occured, not much would> remain in the way of Humanity! It would really be> 'the> End!'> > Please try and get the authorities and/or CONCERNE! D> AMERICAN CITIZENS of ALL PERSUASSIONS to try and> STA BILIZE this goofy City before they destroy the US> ECONOMY which is "POWERED by the INTERNET which> MOSTLY> based in SAN FRANCISCO! We have already heard> RUMORS!> > Note: forwarded message attached.> > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.> http://invites.yahoo.com/> ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:00:52 -0700 (PDT)> From: Hera McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Please Call the FBI, Red Chinese Spiy> Enclave in SF CA!> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Note: forwarded message attached.> > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.> http://invites.yahoo.com/>! ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2.2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:58:02 -0700 (PDT)> From: Hera McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Please Call the FBI, Red Chinese Spiy> Enclave in SF CA!> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Please FIND and PROSCECUTE whoever is the KING PIN> who> is creating a situation whereby no AMERICAN can> safely> remain anywhere in the western portions of SAN> FRANCISCO. It is evident that there is something> going> on when NON-CITIZEN and NON-ENGLISH speakers, who> haev> NO JOBS, or SCHOOLS to attend, can in DROVES come> and> BUY properties here which START at the 'low 1/2> MILLION> Dollars!' And that is for a simple 2-bedroom! There>
RE: Addresses and ports and taxes -- oh my!
NAT would definitely serve a purpose for those wishing to not pay a fee for Intert addresseable address space. It would seem though that if one pays for Internet access this should in fact be included in the price. "Evstiounin, Mikhail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wasn't avoiding NAT one of the goal of IPv6? I recall a pretty bigdiscussion here some time ago about NAT and IPv6. > -Original Message-> From: Rakers, Jason [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:41 AM> To: 'Dennis Glatting'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Addresses and ports and taxes -- oh my!> > When household appliances begin becoming IP addressable, I think we will> see> a move towards assigning an Internet IP address per household (much like> today's street address). The household will perform NAT for all devices> within (one street address can house many people, not just one).> > > -Original Message-> > From: Dennis Glatting> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 8:32 ! AM> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Addresses and ports and taxes -- oh my!> > > > > > I've been thinking about the issue of ARIN fees from last night's> plenary> > and arrived at two philosophical questions.> > > > I run my business out of my home and my DSL link is an important part of> > my business. About six months ago my ISP started charging me a $20/mo.> fee> > for my /27 because "ARIN is now charging us." I am unhappy about this> fee> > but I understand its motivation -- conversation of IP space, though I> > believe fees do not really effect the true wasters of this space and the> > fee, or as it is called in some circles, a tax, is probably misguided.> > Nonetheless, with IPv6, I naively hoped, until last night, the> > conservation of space issues would go away, and thus the fees. Big duh!>! > > > If we look at today's marketing hype and think for ward a bit there is a> > thrust to "Internet enable" appliances, such as dryers, ovens, and> > stereos. Assuming ARIN fees persist, my first philosophical question is> > whether any consumer of these appliances MUST periodically (e.g.,> monthly)> > drop coins in the ARIN fountain?> > > > Thinking laterally, the reserved port space (<1024) is tight. Using the> > same IP space conversation logic, should fees be charged to conserve> port> > space? If so, my second philosophiocal question is what is our role, as> > protocol designers and IETF volunteers, in creating, what is slowly> > becoming, an Internet consumption taxation model?> > > > Imagine for a moment the effect of a fee against the allocation or use> of> > port 80 or 443, maybe even port 25 or 53.> > > > > > > > > > AT would d3efinetDo You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
Re: WAP - What A Problem...
Valdis, I agree with you a hundred percent. The most expensive part of infrastructure is pulling the cables/fiber necessary to build the infrastrucuture. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:41:37 +0200, Anthony > Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > If they are that lacking in mere wires, they > probably aren't in a position > > to profit from access to the Internet in the first > place. That is, if they > > lack telephones (and that's all they need for > broadband, or at least it's > > the better part of the battle), why would they be > surfing the Web? First > > things first. > > The fact that they lack wires doesn't mean they lack > telephones. > > Remember that wires are expensive to pull, > especially for those 3 houses > out on the far side of the mountain down the dirt > road. > > > Countries without landlines are not going to be a > part of the global economy > > unless they upgrade in a major way very soon. > > You got this wrong. Countries without > *connectivity* will be screwed. There's > no *obvious* requirement that there be a landline > involved. > > Having said that, I'm *not* a WAP proponent. ;) > -- > Valdis Kletnieks > Operating Systems Analyst > Virginia Tech > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: WAP - What A Problem...
This I can agree with, the next question that naturally follows then is is WAP the right protocol for a fixed wireless application, or are we talking about yet another set of standards and protocols. I would tend to think that one set should work for both. Regards, Alan --- John Stracke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Simpkins wrote: > > > For some countries it > > is more feasible for people to use mobile > technology > > But better still is fixed-wireless, which can > deliver bandwidth > more cheaply, because you have more predictable > signal > conditions. Unless you're talking about nomadic > headers getting > online out in the Sahara--in which case, development > money would > be better spent on, say, reforestation. > > -- > /=\ > |John Stracke| http://www.ecal.com |My opinions > are my own. | > |Chief Scientist > || > |eCal Corp. |"How quietly do you think we can > nail these back| > |[EMAIL PROTECTED]|in?" --Calvin > | > \=/ > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: WAP - What A Problem...
I would tend to disagree, working for a communications company that specializes in working with multinationals and dealing with the associated infrastrucures in foriegn countries I have found that in many countries it is not financially feasible, nor geagraphically feasible to try to create the kind of communications infrastructure in place that we enjoy in some of the more industrialized countries. For some countries it is more feasible for people to use mobile technology than to try to put in place the fiber, and copper necessary to allow them to communicate using some of what might be called the more traditional methods. WAP, and mobile technology is a necessary component to the future of the global economy. Regards, Alan --- Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't understand why so much effort is expended on > things like WAP when > 99% of the real world still doesn't have any access > at all to the Internet, > much less wireless access. And even of those who > do, most have such slow > connections that even download a simple test page is > an ordeal. > > I know it's not very sexy to drop the blue-sky toys, > but doesn't anyone ever > work on improving and democratizing existing > infrastructure instead of > widening the gap between what people really have and > what looks cool in the > lab? > > -- Anthony > > - Original Message - > From: "Jon Crowcroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'IETF Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 09:10 > Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem... > > > > > > a technical discussion worth reading is at > > > http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MikeBanahan/MikeBanahan1.html > > > > it would seeem (as i've suspected for a while) > that the community in > > charge of this development has the same problem as > the guy who built > > jurassic park - they haev no discipline, or > understanding of computing > > and the software/jhardware interface tradeoffs - > this is qutie a > > common problem in communications work - people > come from one side of > > the tracks (either jsut software or just > engineering, or ust plain > > theory) - systems architecture is hard stuff, but > there is little > > point standing on the toes of giants, when its > possible to stand on > > their shouldersit both ends of the problem > space, whether > > application level and devising new markup > languages for restricted > > display, or low level work in customising > > protocol stacks for resource scarce environments > , there is a body of > > public work out there, and of researchers who are > willing to > > cosntructively critique proposals provided they > are carried out in a > > public way with optimally zero cost for access to > early drafts, but > > at least low entry cost - it is also a good idea > to let those wacky > > media lab types get their hands on hardware > prototypes, since they > > will (as william gibson puts it) "find a street > use for things" - its > > instructive to see how wavelan and its cousins > have fared so well > > after being handed over to the ietf - if we'd have > PCMCIA GSM and GPRS > > (and bluetooth) cards, despite battery power or > other clunkiness > > problems, we might haev made less of a dogs dinner > of things...(when i > > say we, i mean the interdisciplinary, apparently > unstructured, but > > actually highly organised force that will fit > anything to IP, and not > > vice versa) > > > > give me a level long enough and we can moev the > earth - give the wrong > > end of the same level to the wrong people and they > can crush a > > diamond. > > > > > > j. > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
