Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-03 Thread Olle E. Johansson

2 aug 2013 kl. 14:13 skrev Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com:

 I'm completely against participating anonymously because of IPR issues.
 I'm mostly against pseudonymous participation for the same reason.  I
 need to be able to know who I'm dealing with, in order to know if there
 are IPR issues that should be brought up.

THat's exactly the problem. Unfortunately the world requires the IETF to
manage IPR. There's a reason why we need to be strict with the note well.
Anonymous remote *PARTICIPATION* breaks the requirements of the
note well acceptance in my view. 


/O


Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation

2013-08-03 Thread Olle E. Johansson

2 aug 2013 kl. 16:12 skrev Dan York y...@isoc.org:

 Olle,
 
 
 On 8/2/13 12:24 PM, Olle E. Johansson o...@edvina.net wrote:
 
 In rtcweb we have remote participants that prefer anonymity for a number
 of reasons.
 
 The question is how this is handled in regards to note well, when they
 want jabber scribes to relay opinions or proposals to the meeting.
 
 Just a note for the future. I think we should allow anonymous listeners,
 but should they really be allowed to participate?
 
 We don't allow anonymous comments at the microphone in face-to-face
 meetings, requiring all people to clearly state their names and have those
 names recorded in the meeting minutes and in the Jabber log.I don't
 see why we would change this for remote participants.
 
 In all the years I've been doing Jabber-scribing, I've actually never run
 into a case where a remote attendee requested anonymity.  I would have
 been puzzled like you.  Obviously, anyone can be anonymous when joining
 a Jabber chat room and can even make all the comments they want in the
 chat room, but I think the moment they request a relay to the mic and the
 comment goes into the audio record and thereby also the meeting minutes
 then the comment needs to have a name attached to it.
 
(moving to ietf mailing list)

Absolutely.

Now, should we add an automatic message when someone joins the chat rooms, or a 
message when meetings begin that all comments made in the chat room is also 
participation under the note well?

/O