Re: [73attendees] IsUSA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

2008-11-19 Thread Tom.Petch
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From: Dave CROCKER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [73attendees] IsUSA qualified for
2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

 Surely there is enough choice in venue to permit a global organization like
the
 IETF to select ones that put some effort into being friendly about
participation
 by people from a wider set of countries?

I find the USA a friendly country to visit for work.

Homeland Security and its predecessors have requirements that I must meet, and
these change with time.  But I always know what there are (only sometimes
lacking a precise date of introduction) so I can be prepared, going right back
to B1 and B2 visas.  I have never had any surprises when I arrive in Atlanta.

And when things go wrong, eg forgetting to hand in the second part of the green
card, then the solution is available, eg the web site to contact is in the
national press every six months or so.

There is no other country in the world where it is so easy to find out what to
do, you just need to allow time to let it happen (eg don't have a connecting
flight out of Atlanta one hour later).

The USA is also incredibly well served by flights making it cheaper for me to
travel from Europe to Minneapolis than it is to travel to eg Vienna or Estonia.

The USA also shares a language - well, sort of - with that of the I-Ds so there
is only one language to learn.

Currency?  Mmm could do with a weaker dollar right now, but that will change.

By contrast, I have found Canada (Toronto) the most unfriendly place to arrive
at, with the unexpected checks before I was (eventually) allowed in.

Incidentally, what has Malta got going for it, that it should be the location of
a Mega-Interim in less than two months time? Could it be the winter sunshine?

Tom Petch


Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net

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Re: [73attendees] IsUSA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

2008-11-19 Thread Jari Arkko
I think we could easily replay responses from similar threads involving 
previous IETFs, and no one would notice.


Let me try to suggest a conclusion that should be generally easy to support:

1. We have problems, severe problems in people's ability to participate
2. The problems vary in place and quantity
3. We have zero effect on politics
4. Canada is nice country
5. Rotation spreads the pain

With this in mind, I think my input to the IAOC is that you should pay 
attention to #4 and #5; four out of the six meetings on the meeting list 
are in the U.S. Of course, you also need to think about other things, 
such as getting sponsors or finding hotels. The combined optimization 
problem is not trivial and I don't envy your task...


Jari

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