Re: I-D/RFC source formats

2005-04-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
James M. Polk wrote:
At 03:20 PM 4/8/2005 -0400, Bruce Lilly wrote:
On Fri April 8 2005 13:55, Francis Dupont wrote:
> BTW IMHO the best tool should be so painful that
> I-Ds would be very small (:-)?
The size of the boilerplate alone precludes that, unfortunately.  And
it gets worse next month when the secretariat stops accepting "he" (or
"she", as the case may be) as an alternative to "he or she" in that
boilerplate.

I don't understand this point, can you expound on it for those of us 
that don't know about it?
See 
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg01093.html
   Brian
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Re: I-D/RFC source formats

2005-04-10 Thread James M. Polk
At 03:20 PM 4/8/2005 -0400, Bruce Lilly wrote:
On Fri April 8 2005 13:55, Francis Dupont wrote:
> BTW IMHO the best tool should be so painful that
> I-Ds would be very small (:-)?
The size of the boilerplate alone precludes that, unfortunately.  And
it gets worse next month when the secretariat stops accepting "he" (or
"she", as the case may be) as an alternative to "he or she" in that
boilerplate.
I don't understand this point, can you expound on it for those of us that 
don't know about it?


cheers,
James
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I-D/RFC source formats

2005-04-08 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Fri April 8 2005 13:55, Francis Dupont wrote:

>and intuitively OpenOffice doesn't seem likely either.
> 
> => to prefer emacs to OOo is a subtle way to like open source (:-).

OOo is one of those that I mentioned doesn't seem to be able to
generate formatted plain text with appropriate parameters (in
addition to apparently not being able to generate RFC-specific
XML).

> => nroff is not so bad. The problem is the community which supported it
> moved to Latex many years ago...

Oh?  One of the reasons that I haven't used TeX (and things like LaTeX
which are layered on it) is the difficulty of getting suitable plain
text output.

> BTW IMHO the best tool should be so painful that 
> I-Ds would be very small (:-)?

The size of the boilerplate alone precludes that, unfortunately.  And
it gets worse next month when the secretariat stops accepting "he" (or
"she", as the case may be) as an alternative to "he or she" in that
boilerplate.

> PS: what we need is a rfc2xml. It seems there is a secret rfc2nroff...

Going from formatted RFC or draft to troff source is fairly easy. As
text will be re-flowed into paragraphs, it's mostly a matter of
inserting the right directives between paragraphs, for section
headings, etc. 

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