Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: 60% of our room block is considered non smoking but, as our room block is on the smaller side, it is possible that all non smoking rooms are indeed sold out. We have contacted the hotel to see how we can best work through this issue, but at the moment it is only 3am in Hiroshima so it will be a number of hours before we hear back. We will update everyone as soon as we know more. Did I miss any updates on this? Any word back from the hotel? Thanks! Ben. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
At this point it does appear that all non-smoking rooms at the ANA Hotel have been allocated. However, the hotel has assured us that every room -- smoking or non- smoking -- will be freshened prior to our arrival. This is a special step that they are taking specifically to accommodate our somewhat unusual needs. In addition, the windows in the rooms open slightly, which will provide some fresh air. Alexa On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: 60% of our room block is considered non smoking but, as our room block is on the smaller side, it is possible that all non smoking rooms are indeed sold out. We have contacted the hotel to see how we can best work through this issue, but at the moment it is only 3am in Hiroshima so it will be a number of hours before we hear back. We will update everyone as soon as we know more. Did I miss any updates on this? Any word back from the hotel? Thanks! Ben. --- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amor...@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com http://www.amsl.com/ ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Hiroshima room rates (was Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?)
On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 07:43:15AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Yes. I checked Sept 14-18. Try it yourself, I expect you'll get the same results... I don't understand why the rate during another period is relevant to the rate we might get. Remember that hotels, like everyone else, charge more when demand is higher. It's a fair guide as to whether or not the hotel (perhaps with the collusion of the meeting organizers) is putting the thumbscrews to us. For example, if the IETF attendee room rate is higher than the average rate for the hotel, we might be getting taking advantage of. If it's higher than the recorded maximum general-availability rate, then we almost definitely have a problem. If the IETF attendee rate is higher than the general-availability rate for the same time period, then we're absolutely positively being abused. I don't know about you, but when I book a thousand rooms from a hotel (giving them a million dollars revenue), plus spend a half-million dollars or more on meeting rooms over a week, I expect the hotel to be fairly generous about guest rooms. And when I've paid $700 or so for a meeting fee, I don't expect the organizer to pad their budget by having the hotel overcharge me on those rooms. -- Dean ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Hiroshima room rates (was Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?)
Yes. I checked Sept 14-18. Try it yourself, I expect you'll get the same results... Lou On 9/4/2009 7:32 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: Lou, Does that online rate you saw include in-room Internet, service charges, and taxes? Those are included in the IETF rate. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Lou Bergerlber...@labn.net wrote: Out of curiosity, why is the IETF rate ~2000Y higher than their standard internet room rate (try to book next week to get an example rate, and see Best Flexible Rate w/ Breakfast)? Thanks, Lou ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Hiroshima room rates (was Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?)
Lou, Does that online rate you saw include in-room Internet, service charges, and taxes? Those are included in the IETF rate. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Lou Bergerlber...@labn.net wrote: Out of curiosity, why is the IETF rate ~2000Y higher than their standard internet room rate (try to book next week to get an example rate, and see Best Flexible Rate w/ Breakfast)? Thanks, Lou ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Hiroshima room rates (was Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?)
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 07:43:15AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Yes. I checked Sept 14-18. Try it yourself, I expect you'll get the same results... I don't understand why the rate during another period is relevant to the rate we might get. Remember that hotels, like everyone else, charge more when demand is higher. A -- Andrew Sullivan a...@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Hiroshima room rates (was Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?)
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 07:43:15AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Yes. I checked Sept 14-18. Try it yourself, I expect you'll get the same results... I don't understand why the rate during another period is relevant to the rate we might get. Remember that hotels, like everyone else, charge more when demand is higher. And the cost of meeting space and/or other standard features (i.e., internet service in the room) is built into rate for meeting attendees. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Hiroshima room rates (was Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?)
Out of curiosity, why is the IETF rate ~2000Y higher than their standard internet room rate (try to book next week to get an example rate, and see Best Flexible Rate w/ Breakfast)? Thanks, Lou On 9/1/2009 2:00 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: 60% of our room block is considered non smoking but, as our room block is on the smaller side, it is possible that all non smoking rooms are indeed sold out. We have contacted the hotel to see how we can best work through this issue, but at the moment it is only 3am in Hiroshima so it will be a number of hours before we hear back. We will update everyone as soon as we know more. Alexa On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Mike, I am going to let AMS answer that since they have the contract with the ANA. My understanding as of right now is that about 60% of the rooms are non-smoking. The ANA has been aware of our desire for non-smoking rooms for a long time so I am sure they are working on whatever solution they can find. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Michael StJohns wrote: Hi Ole - As of today, I was only able to book a twin room SMOKING at 19,000y at the ANA - there are no singles at the lower rate. There are no non-smoking rooms even at the higher rate. Given that I believe you're correct that most of the IETF will be looking for a non-smoking room, I'm not convinced that the hotel will be able to air clean all the necessary rooms in time. It's possible, but would seem to be a lot of effort (and cost?) for the hotel that already has a signed agreement with the IETF - unless that agreement specifically requires that all non-smoking requests be accommodated? Since you're on the IAOC I believe, could you comment if that was part of the booking agreement? Could you also comment on the mix of rooms that the agreement covers? E.g. how many singles, doubles, etc? I find it problematic that less than 18 hours after registration opens, we're already out of the lower cost rooms and the non-smoking rooms. Mike ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf --- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amor...@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com http://www.amsl.com/ ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
Hi all, On Tuesday 01 September 2009 19.30.04 Michael StJohns wrote: As of today, I was only able to book a twin room SMOKING at 19,000y at the ANA - there are no singles at the lower rate. [snip] Could you also comment on the mix of rooms that the agreement covers? E.g. how many singles, doubles, etc? I find it problematic that less than 18 hours after registration opens, we're already out of the lower cost rooms and the non-smoking rooms. Sigh. Problematic... yep. Shoulda booked a smoking room yesterday :-( I'll let Alexa and team see if this is going to be the way it is or if we can get more small rooms. The difference in price is non-negligible. Cheers, David ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
Greetings, I just set about to reserve a room at the meeting hotel via http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/cwshome/DPRD-7LT5AJ/HIJJA (which required that I join their PriorityClub...). Check-in on Saturday, check-out on Friday (nothing odd there). I was, though, VERY surprised that there are no non-smoking rooms available. All I got was: 1 SINGLE BED STANDARD SMOKING at ￥13,500. If I want non-smoking, I seem to have to pay 23,000 and have 2 beds. Is this other's experience as well? While I can survive a smoking room, I'd really rather not. I haven't tried calling, so perhaps that's the solution. Can anything be done to get us some non-smoking rooms since I suspect that's what almost everyone wants? Cheers, David ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
Hi Dave, folks, Don't count me in. After freezing my fingers off in MSP, that's a plus point about Japan. At least this time I have a choice. So, apparently, do you. all the best, Lawrence On 1 Sep 2009, at 08:52, David Partain wrote: Greetings, I just set about to reserve a room at the meeting hotel via http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/cwshome/DPRD-7LT5AJ/HIJJA (which required that I join their PriorityClub...). Check-in on Saturday, check-out on Friday (nothing odd there). I was, though, VERY surprised that there are no non-smoking rooms available. All I got was: 1 SINGLE BED STANDARD SMOKING at ￥13,500. If I want non-smoking, I seem to have to pay 23,000 and have 2 beds. Is this other's experience as well? While I can survive a smoking room, I'd really rather not. I haven't tried calling, so perhaps that's the solution. Can anything be done to get us some non-smoking rooms since I suspect that's what almost everyone wants? Cheers, David ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
David, Let me take a stab at answering this. First of all, while it may not be obvious, you DO NOT need to be a Priority Club member in order to reserve a room. AMS is trying to get the link fixed so that this will be clearer. For now, you can just enter the desired arrival and departure dates. For some reason, if you already ARE a Priority Club member the page does not seem to load properly, anyway... that's being worked on hopefully :-) The ANA does indeed have a limited number of non-smoking rooms, but I know the hotel is well aware that most IETFrs will want non-smoking rooms and they will do their best to accommodate you (even if the reservation system may not indicate availability). Also, I stayed in an official *smoking* room at this hotel back in November and they had air cleaned it prior to my arrival. I had no issues, the room seemed as clean airwise as any non-smoking room I've stayed in anywhere in the world. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, David Partain wrote: Greetings, I just set about to reserve a room at the meeting hotel via http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/cwshome/DPRD-7LT5AJ/HIJJA (which required that I join their PriorityClub...). Check-in on Saturday, check-out on Friday (nothing odd there). I was, though, VERY surprised that there are no non-smoking rooms available. All I got was: 1 SINGLE BED STANDARD SMOKING at ￥13,500. If I want non-smoking, I seem to have to pay 23,000 and have 2 beds. Is this other's experience as well? While I can survive a smoking room, I'd really rather not. I haven't tried calling, so perhaps that's the solution. Can anything be done to get us some non-smoking rooms since I suspect that's what almost everyone wants? Cheers, David ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
As for me, I made a reservation at Mitsui Garden and just sent a note to the agency asking for a non-smoking room. They replied that they would forward my request to the hotel. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
Hi Ole - As of today, I was only able to book a twin room SMOKING at 19,000y at the ANA - there are no singles at the lower rate. There are no non-smoking rooms even at the higher rate. Given that I believe you're correct that most of the IETF will be looking for a non-smoking room, I'm not convinced that the hotel will be able to air clean all the necessary rooms in time. It's possible, but would seem to be a lot of effort (and cost?) for the hotel that already has a signed agreement with the IETF - unless that agreement specifically requires that all non-smoking requests be accommodated? Since you're on the IAOC I believe, could you comment if that was part of the booking agreement? Could you also comment on the mix of rooms that the agreement covers? E.g. how many singles, doubles, etc? I find it problematic that less than 18 hours after registration opens, we're already out of the lower cost rooms and the non-smoking rooms. Mike At 01:03 PM 9/1/2009, Ole Jacobsen wrote: David, Let me take a stab at answering this. First of all, while it may not be obvious, you DO NOT need to be a Priority Club member in order to reserve a room. AMS is trying to get the link fixed so that this will be clearer. For now, you can just enter the desired arrival and departure dates. For some reason, if you already ARE a Priority Club member the page does not seem to load properly, anyway... that's being worked on hopefully :-) The ANA does indeed have a limited number of non-smoking rooms, but I know the hotel is well aware that most IETFrs will want non-smoking rooms and they will do their best to accommodate you (even if the reservation system may not indicate availability). Also, I stayed in an official *smoking* room at this hotel back in November and they had air cleaned it prior to my arrival. I had no issues, the room seemed as clean airwise as any non-smoking room I've stayed in anywhere in the world. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, David Partain wrote: Greetings, I just set about to reserve a room at the meeting hotel via http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/cwshome/DPRD-7LT5AJ/HIJJA (which required that I join their PriorityClub...). Check-in on Saturday, check-out on Friday (nothing odd there). I was, though, VERY surprised that there are no non-smoking rooms available. All I got was: 1 SINGLE BED STANDARD SMOKING at ï¿¥13,500. If I want non-smoking, I seem to have to pay 23,000 and have 2 beds. Is this other's experience as well? While I can survive a smoking room, I'd really rather not. I haven't tried calling, so perhaps that's the solution. Can anything be done to get us some non-smoking rooms since I suspect that's what almost everyone wants? Cheers, David ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
Mike, I am going to let AMS answer that since they have the contract with the ANA. My understanding as of right now is that about 60% of the rooms are non-smoking. The ANA has been aware of our desire for non-smoking rooms for a long time so I am sure they are working on whatever solution they can find. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Michael StJohns wrote: Hi Ole - As of today, I was only able to book a twin room SMOKING at 19,000y at the ANA - there are no singles at the lower rate. There are no non-smoking rooms even at the higher rate. Given that I believe you're correct that most of the IETF will be looking for a non-smoking room, I'm not convinced that the hotel will be able to air clean all the necessary rooms in time. It's possible, but would seem to be a lot of effort (and cost?) for the hotel that already has a signed agreement with the IETF - unless that agreement specifically requires that all non-smoking requests be accommodated? Since you're on the IAOC I believe, could you comment if that was part of the booking agreement? Could you also comment on the mix of rooms that the agreement covers? E.g. how many singles, doubles, etc? I find it problematic that less than 18 hours after registration opens, we're already out of the lower cost rooms and the non-smoking rooms. Mike ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?
60% of our room block is considered non smoking but, as our room block is on the smaller side, it is possible that all non smoking rooms are indeed sold out. We have contacted the hotel to see how we can best work through this issue, but at the moment it is only 3am in Hiroshima so it will be a number of hours before we hear back. We will update everyone as soon as we know more. Alexa On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Mike, I am going to let AMS answer that since they have the contract with the ANA. My understanding as of right now is that about 60% of the rooms are non-smoking. The ANA has been aware of our desire for non-smoking rooms for a long time so I am sure they are working on whatever solution they can find. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Michael StJohns wrote: Hi Ole - As of today, I was only able to book a twin room SMOKING at 19,000y at the ANA - there are no singles at the lower rate. There are no non-smoking rooms even at the higher rate. Given that I believe you're correct that most of the IETF will be looking for a non-smoking room, I'm not convinced that the hotel will be able to air clean all the necessary rooms in time. It's possible, but would seem to be a lot of effort (and cost?) for the hotel that already has a signed agreement with the IETF - unless that agreement specifically requires that all non-smoking requests be accommodated? Since you're on the IAOC I believe, could you comment if that was part of the booking agreement? Could you also comment on the mix of rooms that the agreement covers? E.g. how many singles, doubles, etc? I find it problematic that less than 18 hours after registration opens, we're already out of the lower cost rooms and the non-smoking rooms. Mike ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf --- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amor...@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com http://www.amsl.com/ ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
