You can find document statistics here which detail where the authors of
our life and blood come from:
http://www.arkko.com/tools/docstats
Take a look at the one for authors of current drafts here:
http://www.arkko.com/tools/stats/d-countryeudistr.html
Could not find the meeting participation statistics, although I am sure
they are lurking somewhere.
regards
Keith
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Livingood, Jason
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:56 PM
To: Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo); ext Joel Jaeggli; Yi Zhao
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is
USAqualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
I recall stats from IETF 71 (which may be out of date). I
believe at that time, 48% of attendees were from the U.S.
Next was Japan with 9%, then China with 5.7%. If I recall
correctly, this was a good number of attendees from China,
but I do not know how that compared to IETF 72 or to IETF 73.
Is the visa issue for visitors from all countries coming to
the U.S., or is this specific to Chinese citizens coming to the U.S.
Jason
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On Behalf
Of Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:28 PM
To: ext Joel Jaeggli; Yi Zhao
Cc: 'David Quigley'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Nicholas Weaver';
ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA
qualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
Hi everybody,
In the IAOC, we have followed the visa situation for
different nations
closely. It is obviously in the benefit for the IETF to
have all the
participants that want and need to come to the IETF could also come.
Historically, the IETF community has indicated the preference of
having a big part of the meetings in the North American
region. This
makes us often come to the USA. Traditionally a major part of the
participation is from the North American region.
Of course, we should periodically check this policy, and
also follow
the visa situation very carefully.
I think it would be good for people that were trying to come to the
IETF and couldn't to tell the IAD or me what happened.
Accurate data is very important.
Cheers,
Jonne.
On 11/18/08 10:08 PM, ext Joel Jaeggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yi Zhao wrote:
Based on my knowledge, for Chinese citizens there is no
any problem
to get the visa to other countries except US.
I know for a fact that several of your countrymen have
had trouble
obtaining visas for other recent IETF destinations.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*David Quigley
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:56 PM
*To:* Nicholas Weaver
*Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org
*Subject:* Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified
for2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
Disclaimer: What I say here are my words and don't represent the
views of my employer.
From what I see here the issues are mostly experienced
by Chinese
citizens. Most of the other countries have reciprocal visa
agreements
with the US. China however doesn't have that agreement
with Ireland,
Sweden, Japan, or the US. Were there similar problems
with gaining
entrance into Ireland? Will there be similar issues with gaining
entrance into Sweden or Japan?
Dave
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Weaver
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On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008
10:39:57AM -0600:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe our US government would like to grant visas
to as many
people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend
a meeting in
the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can
imagine there will
be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting
in CA next year
alone.
thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic
prejudice at the
us government level that should preclude ietf being
held in the united
states.
How would you solve the problem? Let 100 million
people in on false
pretenses? I'm not going to defend the behavior of
the US government,
but I want you to admit that US immigration has a
difficult problem.
Slinging labels around doesn't help.
Remember, the IETF is NOT special. There are tens of
thousands of
conferences, and they are all pretty much
need-to-be-treated equal.
If the US gave effectively carte
