RE: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]
To be fair, nearly half the attendees come from that continent. Even when the meetings are held in Taipei or Paris. -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: 10 June 2012 03:33 To: Glen Zorn Cc: IETF Disgust Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC] A quick check of the Upcoming IETF Meetings calendar (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html) shows that the next meeting in Asia is scheduled for November 2015, while the last was November 2011. How does a 4 year gap map to approximately once a year? this winter we are meeting in georgia (not the one in the caucasus) and florida. what more diversity do you want? canada? randy
Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]
The intended rotation cycle is still 1-1-1 for NA-EU-AP regions, but it's all dependent on finding suitable and available venues and willing hosts and sponsors. Changing the text of the document would imply a change in policy or normal state of things which there hasn't been. Hmm. So a dream world is the normal state of things...I guess really should read this thing, if only to discover what other fantasies have been made real through the magic of rough consensus. Gee, while we're at it, perhaps we should remind novices that the best way to make progress is to send snarky comments rather than revised text. Old: Currently, the IETF meets in North America, Europe, and Asia, approximately once a year in each region. New: Currently, the IETF meets in North America, Europe, and Asia. The intention is to meet once a year in each region, although due to scheduling issues there are often more meetings in North America and fewer in Asia. R's, John
Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, John Levine wrote: Old: Currently, the IETF meets in North America, Europe, and Asia, approximately once a year in each region. New: Currently, the IETF meets in North America, Europe, and Asia. The intention is to meet once a year in each region, although due to scheduling issues there are often more meetings in North America and fewer in Asia. R's, John Friendly amendment: Currently, the IETF meets in North America, Europe, and Asia. The intention is to meet once a year in each region, although due to scheduling issues there are often more meetings in North America and fewer in Asia and Europe. eofa There are many reasons for the current situation, but this is probably not the forum/context to discuss this. Let me just draw everyones attention to the message sent out today by the IETF Chair regarding hosting of the upcoming Berlin meeting. Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo
Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]
Currently, the IETF meets in North America, Europe, and Asia. The intention is to meet once a year in each region, although due to scheduling issues there are often more meetings in North America and fewer in Asia. s/intention/intent/
Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]
A quick check of the Upcoming IETF Meetings calendar (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html) shows that the next meeting in Asia is scheduled for November 2015, while the last was November 2011. How does a 4 year gap map to approximately once a year? this winter we are meeting in georgia (not the one in the caucasus) and florida. what more diversity do you want? canada? randy
Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]
The intended rotation cycle is still 1-1-1 for NA-EU-AP regions, but it's all dependent on finding suitable and available venues and willing hosts and sponsors. Changing the text of the document would imply a change in policy or normal state of things which there hasn't been. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Glen Zorn wrote: A quick check of the Upcoming IETF Meetings calendar (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html) shows that the next meeting in Asia is scheduled for November 2015, while the last was November 2011. How does a 4 year gap map to approximately once a year?
Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]
On Sat, 2012-06-09 at 18:09 -0700, Ole Jacobsen wrote: The intended rotation cycle is still 1-1-1 for NA-EU-AP regions, but it's all dependent on finding suitable and available venues and willing hosts and sponsors. Changing the text of the document would imply a change in policy or normal state of things which there hasn't been. Hmm. So a dream world is the normal state of things...I guess really should read this thing, if only to discover what other fantasies have been made real through the magic of rough consensus. However, since this is a guide for the novice, I might remind folks that there is chance that, lacking real experience, the novices in question might actually believe what's in it -- a dangerous prospect it seems. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Glen Zorn wrote: A quick check of the Upcoming IETF Meetings calendar (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html) shows that the next meeting in Asia is scheduled for November 2015, while the last was November 2011. How does a 4 year gap map to approximately once a year?
