RE: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced
>The Constitution >guarantees the right to make excerpts from a copyrighted work to comment >on it; Clarification (since someone pointed it out): this isn't just my opinion; this is what the Supreme Court has ruled. /\ |John Stracke|Principal Engineer | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Incentive Systems, Inc.| |http://www.incentivesystems.com |My opinions are my own.| || |He wondered if Elli was going to buy that explanation. His taste| |for heavily-armed girlfriends did have its drawbacks. | \/
RE: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced
>How can a single country legislate that music copying should be stopped. Same way we legislated against the drug trade. Of course, it didn't eliminate drugs, but it made the politicans look good, and it provided an excuse for us to use whenever we want to bully a weaker country (i.e., anybody else) into toeing the line. Copyright piracy, like growing drugs, is an business that's relatively easy for a poor country to get into, so the result is that the US provides a market opportunity for people who need money desperately, and then shoots them when they try to take it. Also like the drug war, copyright controls offer the promise of being useful for controlling the domestic population, too. The Constitution guarantees the right to make excerpts from a copyrighted work to comment on it; but the DMCA makes it illegal to develop tools that would make that excerpting possible. Once all published content is copy-protected, public discourse will be locked down. /===\ |John Stracke|Principal Engineer| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Incentive Systems, Inc. | |http://www.incentivesystems.com |My opinions are my own. | |===| |"Call me a Nervous Nellie, but I am concerned about the sale of| |nuclear arms in my general neighborhood." -- Dave Barry| \===/
RE: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced
Why... We're the U.S., of course we can just DECIDE to control whatever we want. This is why all of the other countries absolutely LOVE us. Good point, and yes I would like to hear arguments... we're only getting agreement. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:05 PM To: Julia Finnegan Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced How can a single country legislate that music copying should be stopped. This seems like a over reaction to a small problem. I have not seen anything saying that movie companies are losing money. I do not believe that the issue of pirated Videos/music is as big a problem as is suggested by the media. Certainly in the UK most users have 56Kbps connections, which prevents the downloading of movies, even a MP3 can take a couple of hours. I just wonder what else is actually behind this new potential legislation over copyright. I understand that currently most of this comes out of countries that America has now influence over! Having said all of this I would like to see some sensible debate over this problem and potential solutions. I request this as we are told in the UK that the majority of the VCD's sold add funds to the IRA and other major crime gangs, rather than individuals. Quoting Julia Finnegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What he suggests is that this will save our economy. What? More and more > businesses and consumers alike are growing more and more reliable on this > every single day. There is ALWAYS going to be piracy, just like there will > ALWAYS be crime rates. If it's not in digital form, it will be in others > forms. It will always exist. To morph the internet so drastically will > send > our economy on a downward spiral. > > I agree that his suggestions could ultimately destroy the PC and could also > send the Intranet to ruins. Since the majority of us are working in the > tech field, of course we're biased but the BIG picture is that of affecting > EVERY consumer AND business. > > This guy didn't even run a spell check. :( Hopefully his lack of > thoroughness will only radiate to the rest of his efforts in the matter- > even though the larger task is already out of his hands. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Phil Karn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced > > The story just hit Slashdot -- Senators Hollings, Stevens, Inouye, > Breaux, Nelson, and Feinstein have introduced the so-called "Consumer > Broadband and Digital Television Act of 2002", formerly known to most > of us as the SSSCA. The text of Hollings' comments are available here: > > http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/hollings.cbdtpa.release.032102.html > > The Slashdot article (with links to other coverage) is here: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/21/2344228&mode=thread&tid=103 > > I cannot overstress the awful implications of this bill if it becomes > law. The personal computer, as we know it, will be destroyed. The > Internet, as we know it, will be destroyed. > > Hollings doesn't say that, of course. But all through his statement he > claims that there exist technological solutions to the piracy > problem. These apparently consist entirely of "do not copy" bits added > to copyrighted materials. > > The fact that any "do-not-copy-bit" can be trivially cleared on any > personal computer that can be programmed by its user does not seem to > have registered yet with the authors of this bill. And when it does, > the logical next step will then become obvious to them: the licensing > of programmers and/or the prohibition of open source software as too > easily modified by end users. And when *that* fails, a total ban on > any personal computer that can be programmed by its user. > > It's time for the IETF, its members and the IAB to react, and react > quickly and forcefully. We need to say clearly that there is simply > no such thing as an "Internet copy prevention technology" that can > actually work in a world with programmable personal computers. > > We need to steer policy makers in a different direction, toward > watermarking technologies that do not block copies from being made but > allows them to be traced after the fact. Yes, effective watermarking > is technically difficult, and several have already been broken. But at > least it's *possible* to build an effective watermarking scheme > without utterly destroying both the personal computer and the Internet. > > Phil > > - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
RE: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced
How can a single country legislate that music copying should be stopped. This seems like a over reaction to a small problem. I have not seen anything saying that movie companies are losing money. I do not believe that the issue of pirated Videos/music is as big a problem as is suggested by the media. Certainly in the UK most users have 56Kbps connections, which prevents the downloading of movies, even a MP3 can take a couple of hours. I just wonder what else is actually behind this new potential legislation over copyright. I understand that currently most of this comes out of countries that America has now influence over! Having said all of this I would like to see some sensible debate over this problem and potential solutions. I request this as we are told in the UK that the majority of the VCDs sold add funds to the IRA and other major crime gangs, rather than individuals. Quoting Julia Finnegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What he suggests is that this will save our economy. What? More and more > businesses and consumers alike are growing more and more reliable on this > every single day. There is ALWAYS going to be piracy, just like there will > ALWAYS be crime rates. If it's not in digital form, it will be in others > forms. It will always exist. To morph the internet so drastically will > send > our economy on a downward spiral. > > I agree that his suggestions could ultimately destroy the PC and could also > send the Intranet to ruins. Since the majority of us are working in the > tech field, of course we're biased but the BIG picture is that of affecting > EVERY consumer AND business. > > This guy didn't even run a spell check. :( Hopefully his lack of > thoroughness will only radiate to the rest of his efforts in the matter- > even though the larger task is already out of his hands. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Phil Karn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced > > The story just hit Slashdot -- Senators Hollings, Stevens, Inouye, > Breaux, Nelson, and Feinstein have introduced the so-called "Consumer > Broadband and Digital Television Act of 2002", formerly known to most > of us as the SSSCA. The text of Hollings' comments are available here: > > http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/hollings.cbdtpa.release.032102.html > > The Slashdot article (with links to other coverage) is here: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/21/2344228&mode=thread&tid=103 > > I cannot overstress the awful implications of this bill if it becomes > law. The personal computer, as we know it, will be destroyed. The > Internet, as we know it, will be destroyed. > > Hollings doesn't say that, of course. But all through his statement he > claims that there exist technological solutions to the piracy > problem. These apparently consist entirely of "do not copy" bits added > to copyrighted materials. > > The fact that any "do-not-copy-bit" can be trivially cleared on any > personal computer that can be programmed by its user does not seem to > have registered yet with the authors of this bill. And when it does, > the logical next step will then become obvious to them: the licensing > of programmers and/or the prohibition of open source software as too > easily modified by end users. And when *that* fails, a total ban on > any personal computer that can be programmed by its user. > > It's time for the IETF, its members and the IAB to react, and react > quickly and forcefully. We need to say clearly that there is simply > no such thing as an "Internet copy prevention technology" that can > actually work in a world with programmable personal computers. > > We need to steer policy makers in a different direction, toward > watermarking technologies that do not block copies from being made but > allows them to be traced after the fact. Yes, effective watermarking > is technically difficult, and several have already been broken. But at > least it's *possible* to build an effective watermarking scheme > without utterly destroying both the personal computer and the Internet. > > Phil > > - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
RE: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced
What he suggests is that this will save our economy. What? More and more businesses and consumers alike are growing more and more reliable on this every single day. There is ALWAYS going to be piracy, just like there will ALWAYS be crime rates. If it's not in digital form, it will be in others forms. It will always exist. To morph the internet so drastically will send our economy on a downward spiral. I agree that his suggestions could ultimately destroy the PC and could also send the Intranet to ruins. Since the majority of us are working in the tech field, of course we're biased but the BIG picture is that of affecting EVERY consumer AND business. This guy didn't even run a spell check. :( Hopefully his lack of thoroughness will only radiate to the rest of his efforts in the matter- even though the larger task is already out of his hands. -Original Message- From: Phil Karn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: It's war, folks --- SSSCA formally introduced The story just hit Slashdot -- Senators Hollings, Stevens, Inouye, Breaux, Nelson, and Feinstein have introduced the so-called "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Act of 2002", formerly known to most of us as the SSSCA. The text of Hollings' comments are available here: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/hollings.cbdtpa.release.032102.html The Slashdot article (with links to other coverage) is here: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/21/2344228&mode=thread&tid=103 I cannot overstress the awful implications of this bill if it becomes law. The personal computer, as we know it, will be destroyed. The Internet, as we know it, will be destroyed. Hollings doesn't say that, of course. But all through his statement he claims that there exist technological solutions to the piracy problem. These apparently consist entirely of "do not copy" bits added to copyrighted materials. The fact that any "do-not-copy-bit" can be trivially cleared on any personal computer that can be programmed by its user does not seem to have registered yet with the authors of this bill. And when it does, the logical next step will then become obvious to them: the licensing of programmers and/or the prohibition of open source software as too easily modified by end users. And when *that* fails, a total ban on any personal computer that can be programmed by its user. It's time for the IETF, its members and the IAB to react, and react quickly and forcefully. We need to say clearly that there is simply no such thing as an "Internet copy prevention technology" that can actually work in a world with programmable personal computers. We need to steer policy makers in a different direction, toward watermarking technologies that do not block copies from being made but allows them to be traced after the fact. Yes, effective watermarking is technically difficult, and several have already been broken. But at least it's *possible* to build an effective watermarking scheme without utterly destroying both the personal computer and the Internet. Phil
