Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
> Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, direct the revenue stream > back to the IETF, and see what happens. Anything cleverer than that > seems like a waste of effort to me. while i am extremely sympathetic to the economic and social aspects of this approach, a serious aspect of the quality of the 74 shirts was the quality of the material. randy ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
> Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San > Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the > IETF Trust. cool. and thanks. now we know where the ipr is. and we have lengthy discussion of who, how, why, and black helicopters. but, months later, where are actual shirts? you know, tangible results, operational stuff, not fluff about boiling the ocean. how typical of the ietf. randy ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
At Sunday 09/08/2009 17:03 -0700, Dave CROCKER wrote: Randy Bush wrote: Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, ... while i am extremely sympathetic to the economic and social aspects of this approach, a serious aspect of the quality of the 74 shirts was the quality of the material. For productive IETF work, criticism of a serious, concrete proposal is usually accompanied by a superior proposal. What's yours? do nothing. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Randy Bush wrote: Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, ... while i am extremely sympathetic to the economic and social aspects of this approach, a serious aspect of the quality of the 74 shirts was the quality of the material. For productive IETF work, criticism of a serious, concrete proposal is usually accompanied by a superior proposal. What's yours? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Ted Lemon wrote: On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: That would net $ 5000. ... One fairly obvious corollary to this is that in all likelihood the number of people who would purchase duplicate shirts in order to inappropriately claim that they were at IETF 74 is probably quite small. +1 Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, direct the revenue stream back to the IETF, and see what happens. Anything cleverer than that seems like a waste of effort to me. +1 And for all other IETF event gimmes. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Donald Eastlake wrote: Just be sure they are labeled "Reprint". To suit our community, perhaps it should say "IETF74bis". d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Yes. Rather than going to IETF 75 I went to a Debian conference. happened to bring my IETF 74 shirt, and it was quite popular. Several people asked where they could get one. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: That would net $ 5000. That's less than ten registrations at a meeting. I am neutral about whether or not we do this, but please don't imagine that it will supplant registration fees or otherwise lead to sudden riches. One fairly obvious corollary to this is that in all likelihood the number of people who would purchase duplicate shirts in order to inappropriately claim that they were at IETF 74 is probably quite small. Much smaller than the number who were there and just didn't get one in their size (e.g., me) or who weren't there, don't particularly want to claim to have been there, but like the shirt and the message on the shirt and would like to be able to wear it around so that it might stimulate the occasional discourse on the urgency of IPv6 deployment. Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, direct the revenue stream back to the IETF, and see what happens. Anything cleverer than that seems like a waste of effort to me. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Dave CROCKER wrote:
>
> Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix
> license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix"
> on it, purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die").
>
> This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to
> do it again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not
> permit this, that it had been a one-time special.
>
> The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again,
> but in a different color.
In point of fact they (Compaq by then) later produced Linux license
plates, which is either a derivative work or a more complete realization
or both depending on your perspective.
> This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the
> original, without losing the essence, might help here.
>
> d/
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Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
On Aug 1, 2009, at 2:08 AM, Fred Baker wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:49 AM, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the IETF Trust. Speaking as a Trustee, the Trust thanks Juniper for the donation. Dear Gregory; I would also like to thank Juniper for this donation. Regards Marshall ___ 75attendees mailing list 75attend...@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees Marshall Eubanks CTO / Iformata Communications marshall.euba...@iformata.com ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Not to be a stickler for detail (this isn't an RFC afterall).
But, the DEC Unix group was in New Hampshire, and the State motto of New
Hampshire is "Live Free or Die". Just to give credit where credit is
due.
Funny to think of those poor folks in the prisons making the State
License plates with that Motto written on them.
Fred Knight
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Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Fred Baker wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote:
>> this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?"
>
> That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had
> been considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print
> the designs and enabling IETFers to order them.
With regard to the concern about losing the sense of special uniqueness,
at
having gotten an original memento *at the event*, the history of the
Unix
license plate might be helpful.
The first time the Unix meeting was large (400 people?) was in Santa
Monica and
the DEC point of contact got up to do his usual presentation, saying
first he
wanted to comment on the constant request that DEC provide Unix
licenses. (Bell
provided the licenses, since it was their software, and DEC just sold
bare
hardware; so folks wanted one-stop shopping.)
Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix
license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix"
on it,
purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die").
This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to
do it
again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not permit
this, that
it had been a one-time special.
The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again,
but in a
different color.
This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the
original, without losing the essence, might help here.
d/
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Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Fred Baker wrote:
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote:
this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?"
That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had been
considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print the
designs and enabling IETFers to order them.
With regard to the concern about losing the sense of special uniqueness, at
having gotten an original memento *at the event*, the history of the Unix
license plate might be helpful.
The first time the Unix meeting was large (400 people?) was in Santa Monica and
the DEC point of contact got up to do his usual presentation, saying first he
wanted to comment on the constant request that DEC provide Unix licenses. (Bell
provided the licenses, since it was their software, and DEC just sold bare
hardware; so folks wanted one-stop shopping.)
Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix
license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix" on it,
purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die").
This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to do it
again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not permit this, that
it had been a one-time special.
The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again, but in a
different color.
This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the
original, without losing the essence, might help here.
d/
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Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Knight, Frederick wrote: Not to be a stickler for detail (this isn't an RFC afterall). But, the DEC Unix group was in New Hampshire, and the State motto of New Hampshire is "Live Free or Die". Just to give credit where credit is due. Yeah, apologies to folk from either state... Funny to think of those poor folks in the prisons making the State License plates with that Motto written on them. In fact at the Santa Monica event when the plate was held high, a guy in the back of the room did yell out "where'd you make those?". Raised interesting questions about DEC employment... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:49 AM, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the IETF Trust. Speaking as a Trustee, the Trust thanks Juniper for the donation. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
It would seem in the open spirit if the IETF to make this a standing order for t-shirt art, wouldn't it? On Friday, July 31, 2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: > > I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to clarify > here for all. > > Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San Francisco > > > > Greg, > > Many thanks! > > Especially in light of Bob Hinden's cautionary reference to the Wasa, at the > Plenary, I suspect it would be worth exploring also obtaining the "layered" > art on the back of the t-shirt (and on the invitations) of the Wasa. > > d/ > > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > http://bbiw.net > ___ > 75attendees mailing list > 75attend...@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees > ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to clarify here for all. Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San Francisco Greg, Many thanks! Especially in light of Bob Hinden's cautionary reference to the Wasa, at the Plenary, I suspect it would be worth exploring also obtaining the "layered" art on the back of the t-shirt (and on the invitations) of the Wasa. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
