Re: Change in I-D announcement format
Hi Tom, On 10/24/2012 09:28 AM, t.p. wrote: And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, or may not be, the appearance seems random, of Not so random. I noticed that the "New Version Notification" mails are sent to you if you are a) A co-author/editor of a newly submitted draft b) A wg chair for a newly submitted version of a WG document c) Other situations that do not apply to me :-) Thanks Suresh Subject: New Version Notification - e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then like my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still available. Tom Petch
Re: Change in I-D announcement format
put bluntly, we all know the mail tools we're using to process these mails, and the mails could be a damn sight more tractable for tools than they are. ever tried sorting drafts by subject line? that old draft-random-group-something-KEYWORD-version is really suckful for something as basic as .. sorting. gonna change that religion? I don't think so. -G PS can all the emacs users please not pile on with 'works for me (smirk)" responses, I know you LISPoids have this dealt with. Some of us lost enough braincells to use GUI, and the GUI really don't like IETF Draft subjectlines. They mask almost all the useful bits, and expose almost all the useless bits.
Re: Change in I-D announcement format
And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, or may not be, the appearance seems random, of Subject: New Version Notification - e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then like my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still available. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: "Russ Housley" To: "Brian E Carpenter" Cc: "IETF discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format Brian: There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with a request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff with just one more click. Russ On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of > I-D announcement messages? > > There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's > mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) > and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages > automatically. > > At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. > > -- > Regards > Brian Carpenter > >
Re: Change in I-D announcement format
Russ Housley wrote: > Brian: > > There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; > however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with > a request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain > text version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use > the Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a > diff with just one more click. I recall a different outcome, because this reasoning looks flawed to me. Tools that process the announce-Emails automatically will be unable to "perform another mouse-click" in order to get to a page where there is an URL to the TXT document, so that option does not exist. Those who use a graphical frontend that is sensitive to follow URLs on mouse-click, will probably prefer the HTML variant over the TXT variant. The two changes that I would appreciate: Put the direct TXT URL back into the announcement. Fix the new URL to the HTML version in the announcment. -Martin
Re: Change in I-D announcement format
Brian: There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with a request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff with just one more click. Russ On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of > I-D announcement messages? > > There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's > mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) > and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages > automatically. > > At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. > > -- > Regards > Brian Carpenter > >
Re: Change in I-D announcement format
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>
>> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of
>> I-D announcement messages?
>>
>> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format.
>> That's mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks)
>> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these
>> messages automatically.
I did not see an announcement either.
I don't mind addition of URLs. But I strongly dislike removal of URLs!
I would also appreciate if that URL was put back in.
After noticing download failures due to the lack of the URL to the TXT,
I changed my I-D download perl-script on 11-Jun-2012 to accomodate for that
unexpected change. Since the URL is gone, I have resorted to synthesize
the URL to the TXT document myself from the unqualified filename.
if ( $_ =~ m/^\s+Filename\s+:\s+(draft-.*\d\d\.txt)/ ) {
push(@link, "http://tools.ietf.org/id/$1";);
}
Additionally, for some time now, I'm seeing errors trying to download
I-D TXT documents which have been superseded by a successor version
_before_ I feed the announcement EMail to my download script.
What is the purpose of the change to deny previous TXT versions of I-Ds?
Yoav Nir wrote:
> This line is not too hot either:
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/submission.filename }}-01
This puzzles me too.
How about adding a mailto: URL into I-D announcements to
report bugs for the software that creates them?
-Martin
RE: Change in I-D announcement format
This line is not too hot either: There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/submission.filename }}-01 -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: 13 June 2012 10:48 To: IETF discussion list Subject: Change in I-D announcement format Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of I-D announcement messages? There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages automatically. At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. -- Regards Brian Carpenter Scanned by Check Point Total Security Gateway.
