re: Financial Stnadards Work group?
Hmmm... a new IETF working group does not a new standard make -- necessarily. I would suggest clearly documenting the _requirements_ (or goals) for such a protocol, publishing them as an Internet Draft, and see if anyone expresses interest. Then you can have a debate about whether and why the existing standards are or are not adequate. And maybe (just maybe) there will be a case to design a new protocol, or protocol extensions. #g -- At 08:06 AM 5/16/00 +0300, Musandu wrote: >I do not quiet agree with the current standards, they are a pain in the >neck. E.g ( Just one example ) I want the internet debit card and the >devices for charging them to be standard hardware available in any computer >store. This will allow one to chose any bank or service provider ( instead >of your money going proprietory ): imagine buying a new modem or router >every time you change ISPs or buying different kinds of printers for >printing from different web sites. That is the position of debit card >recharging buying a new device each time you change the service provider. >The IETF can help or do you hold alternative views ( give me some >recharging devices that allow change overs )?? > >Yours sincerely, >Nyagudi Musandu > >At 10:28 14/05/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Musandu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > >It may just be time for the IETF to develop a financial standards > > >work group separate from the applications work group. I can even >forsee > >a Simple Cash Transfer Protocol? any objections? > > > >There is an ANSI Financial Standards body (X9) which is also chair of the > >ISO Financial Standards group. > > > >The electronic commerce payments working group (X9A10) has a draft standard > >for all electronic retail payments (debit, credit, pre-paid, electronic > >cash, etc) .. X9.59. > > > > > >misc. ref > > > >http://www.x9.org/ > >http://www.x9.org/main_organization.html > >http://www.x9.org/subcomms/x9a/general/public/general.html > >http://www.tc68.org/ > >http://www.x9.org/n20.html > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#224 > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/8583flow.htm > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/draft-wheeler-ipki-aads-01.txt > > > >& of course my rfc index is also at: > > > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm > > > >as well as ietf, payments, security, X9F, and financial glossaries > > > > > > > >-- > >Anne & Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ http://www.adcomsys.net/lynn/ > > > > > > > >- >This message was passed through [EMAIL PROTECTED], which >is a sublist of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not all messages are passed. >Decisions on what to pass are made solely by Harald Alvestrand. Graham Klyne ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
re: Financial Stnadards Work group?
X9.59 is a financial industry standard for all account-based electronic retail transactions. In the AADS strawman chip scenerio for X9.59 ... whether debit, credit, prepaid, etc. , the chip would sign a X9.59 transaction and work identical whether it was at person's PC or at point-of-sale (it works the same whether any ietf internet infrastructure is involved or existing financial network infrastructure) Such an AADS strawman chip scenerio for X9.59 would work the same regardless of internet, no-internet, point-of-sale, debit, credit, pre-paid, bank, subscriber, isp. (the AADS strawman chip scenerio also works the same for non-X9.59 AADS scenerios like AADS radius, ISP authenticated access, webserver authenticated access, VPN authentication operation, etc). There are some issues for the AADS strawman chip scnerio for X9.59, like contact or contactless. Contact would be standard existing chipcard standard and would be useable in existing chipcard contact readers. The contactless standards are less well accepted ... but establishing a contactless accepted standard would free up the AADS strawman chip to become form-factor agnostic (i.e. an AADS strawman chip could imbedded into almost any shape and be able to operate). The AADS chip strawman scenerio for X9.59 not only proposes that it is the same regardless of whether it is Internet or non-internet, but also whether it is credit, debit, pre-paid, authenticated access, existing financial infrastructure, point-of-sale, who the bank is, face-to-face physical, who the service provider is, as well as what country that it might operate in At 08:06 AM 5/16/2000 +0300, Musandu wrote: >I do not quiet agree with the current standards, they are a pain in the >neck. E.g ( Just one example ) I want the internet debit card and the >devices for charging them to be standard hardware available in any computer >store. This will allow one to chose any bank or service provider ( instead >of your money going proprietory ): imagine buying a new modem or router >every time you change ISPs or buying different kinds of printers for >printing from different web sites. That is the position of debit card >recharging buying a new device each time you change the service provider. >The IETF can help or do you hold alternative views ( give me some >recharging devices that allow change overs )?? > >Yours sincerely, >Nyagudi Musandu > >At 10:28 14/05/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Musandu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > >It may just be time for the IETF to develop a financial standards > > >work group separate from the applications work group. I can even >forsee > >a Simple Cash Transfer Protocol? any objections? > > > >There is an ANSI Financial Standards body (X9) which is also chair of the > >ISO Financial Standards group. > > > >The electronic commerce payments working group (X9A10) has a draft standard > >for all electronic retail payments (debit, credit, pre-paid, electronic > >cash, etc) .. X9.59. > > > > > >misc. ref > > > >http://www.x9.org/ > >http://www.x9.org/main_organization.html > >http://www.x9.org/subcomms/x9a/general/public/general.html > >http://www.tc68.org/ > >http://www.x9.org/n20.html > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#224 > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/8583flow.htm > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/draft-wheeler-ipki-aads-01.txt > > > >& of course my rfc index is also at: > > > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm > > > >as well as ietf, payments, security, X9F, and financial glossaries > > > > > > > >-- > >Anne & Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ http://www.adcomsys.net/lynn/ > > > > > > -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ http://www.adcomsys.net/lynn/
re: Financial Stnadards Work group?
I do not quiet agree with the current standards, they are a pain in the neck. E.g ( Just one example ) I want the internet debit card and the devices for charging them to be standard hardware available in any computer store. This will allow one to chose any bank or service provider ( instead of your money going proprietory ): imagine buying a new modem or router every time you change ISPs or buying different kinds of printers for printing from different web sites. That is the position of debit card recharging buying a new device each time you change the service provider. The IETF can help or do you hold alternative views ( give me some recharging devices that allow change overs )?? Yours sincerely, Nyagudi Musandu At 10:28 14/05/00 -0700, you wrote: >Musandu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >It may just be time for the IETF to develop a financial standards > >work group separate from the applications work group. I can even >forsee >a Simple Cash Transfer Protocol? any objections? > >There is an ANSI Financial Standards body (X9) which is also chair of the >ISO Financial Standards group. > >The electronic commerce payments working group (X9A10) has a draft standard >for all electronic retail payments (debit, credit, pre-paid, electronic >cash, etc) .. X9.59. > > >misc. ref > >http://www.x9.org/ >http://www.x9.org/main_organization.html >http://www.x9.org/subcomms/x9a/general/public/general.html >http://www.tc68.org/ >http://www.x9.org/n20.html >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#224 >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/8583flow.htm >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/draft-wheeler-ipki-aads-01.txt > >& of course my rfc index is also at: > >http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm > >as well as ietf, payments, security, X9F, and financial glossaries > > > >-- >Anne & Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ http://www.adcomsys.net/lynn/ > > >
re: Financial Stnadards Work group?
Musandu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >It may just be time for the IETF to develop a financial standards >work group separate from the applications work group. I can even >forsee a Simple Cash Transfer Protocol? any objections? There is an ANSI Financial Standards body (X9) which is also chair of the ISO Financial Standards group. The electronic commerce payments working group (X9A10) has a draft standard for all electronic retail payments (debit, credit, pre-paid, electronic cash, etc) .. X9.59. misc. ref http://www.x9.org/ http://www.x9.org/main_organization.html http://www.x9.org/subcomms/x9a/general/public/general.html http://www.tc68.org/ http://www.x9.org/n20.html http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#224 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/8583flow.htm http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/draft-wheeler-ipki-aads-01.txt & of course my rfc index is also at: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm as well as ietf, payments, security, X9F, and financial glossaries -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ http://www.adcomsys.net/lynn/
